Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-08-02 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, you are saying that in 2002, a major intelligence agency concluded that Iraq had no WMD stockpiles of any kind? No. You've inverted the statement. The NIE, as well as Tenet in later public statements about that NIE, said

Re: Collapse

2006-08-02 Thread Jim Sharkey
Doug Pensinger wrote: Oy, people chomping at the bit. Sorry. I was going to get it started tomorrow night but I'll get it going tonight. Sorry, didn't mean to rush you. I just needed to have a timeline, since the new job only gives me a lunch hour to read now instead of having the commute

RE: Moving to Montana Soon?

2006-08-02 Thread Jim Sharkey
Doug Pensinger wrote: One interesting conundrum he discusses is the conflict between businesses that exist to make money and moral obligations to clean up after themselves. Is this a good argument against the preeminence of a free market economy or can we have both a strong economy and a

Re: My Wraptures-ready Sunday

2006-08-02 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
On 8/1/06, Gibson Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aside: Just between you, me, Killer B's, and the NSA, I worry my son will have no college fund. This was tough though doable when I went to school {$11K/yr Tulane 1986}, but costs are so vastly more expensive now {$43K Tulane 2006} that I

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-08-02 Thread Charlie Bell
On 02/08/2006, at 9:19 PM, jdiebremse wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, you are saying that in 2002, a major intelligence agency concluded that Iraq had no WMD stockpiles of any kind? No. You've inverted the statement. The NIE, as well as Tenet in

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-08-02 Thread Nick Arnett
On 8/2/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this was before the war? And they concluded that *none* of the stockpiles were weaponized. Yes, John. Again, I'd urge you to go to the sources. There was no delivery system that they were aware of, just an intention or programs to

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-08-02 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 2, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On 8/2/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this was before the war? And they concluded that *none* of the stockpiles were weaponized. Yes, John. Again, I'd urge you to go to the sources. There was no delivery system that they were

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-08-02 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 2, 2006, at 8:56 AM, Dave Land wrote: Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent - that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from

Weekly Chat Reminder

2006-08-02 Thread William T Goodall
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of

Once more into the 9-11 breach

2006-08-02 Thread Gibson Jonathan
=dummy.m3umount=/data/20060802- Wed1300.mp3 He mentions URLs for pix and papers, but I didn't note them down. Then there is the Scripps survey out this AM describing 1/3 of Americans now believe something much more odd was going on that day than the official story would have it. Granted

Re: Prehistory

2006-08-02 Thread Brother John
Charlie Bell wrote: On 01/08/2006, at 8:45 AM, Brother John wrote: As a child that raised white mice and rats as much as I did snakes, I can attest that white rats are much, much better pets than white mice. Mice bite and their urine stinks something awful. Neither is true of white rats.

Re: Moving to Montana Soon?

2006-08-02 Thread Brother John
Doug Pensinger wrote: Collapse by Jarred Diamond Part One: Modern Montana Chapter One: Under Montana's Big Sky [...] A similarity to my home town of Morgan Hill, Ca. to the Bitterroot Valley is the contrast in attitudes of the old timers; farmers and ranchers with sizeable land holdings and

Re: Moving to Montana Soon?

2006-08-02 Thread maru dubshinki
On 8/2/06, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collapse by Jarred Diamond Part One: Modern Montana Chapter One: Under Montana's Big Sky Diamond picks Montana for his first chapter because he can gage the attitudes of the people that live there, because it provides a contrast to the more

Re: Once more into the 9-11 breach

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Gibson Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Discussion Bs brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: Once more into the 9-11 breach Greetings compatriots, I note the last few days have seen a small wave of 9-11

Re: Moving to Montana Soon?

2006-08-02 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/2/2006 1:31:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Montana's problems are somewhat interesting. We can understand and empathize with them because we face many of the same kinds of problems. In comparison with the disaster that occurred on Easter

Re: Once more into the 9-11 breach

2006-08-02 Thread Gibson Jonathan
Hello, I see we are going to focus on the mechanical rather than political here. On Aug 2, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: I think I can explain explosions in the basement, though I would need the electrical plans to the building to verify this but. When the plane

Re: Moving to Montana Soon?

2006-08-02 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jim wrote: I have a bit of a problem with this idea that environmentalism and economics are mortal enemies. There has to be some middle ground. In fact, in the long run, environmentalism makes good business sense. The problem is that so many businesses in this country don't take the long

Re: Moving to Montana Soon?

2006-08-02 Thread Doug Pensinger
Brother John wrote: Have you ever driven through the Bitterroot Valley south of Missoula, Montana? No. Montana is one of sevenor eight states I've never set foot in. I have done it only once, but I was deeply impressed with the beauty of it, and the size of the huge wood frame houses along

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-08-02 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this was before the war? And they concluded that *none* of the stockpiles were weaponized. Yes, John. Again, I'd urge you to go to the sources. Uh, what's your source for this? There was no delivery system that they

Re: Moving to Montana Soon?

2006-08-02 Thread Doug Pensinger
Bob wrote: What struck me was the absence of any easy answers. There are people of good will but they cannot agree. The issue of the long term effects of mining of non-renewable resources is more difficult and profound than I realized. I see no solution other than to hold the companies