Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/10/2006, at 11:12 AM, jdiebremse wrote: Rather constitutional rights are drafted in a democratic process, by the majority, to be a future, binding restriction on the majority. So the views of the Founding Fathers

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An interesting idea - but I somehow think that abolishing legal marriage isn't going to be a wildly popular idea Well, it's a good job that's not what I said. I said separate the legal and religious portions. How does

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 27/10/2006, at 9:29 PM, jdiebremse wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/10/2006, at 11:12 AM, jdiebremse wrote: Rather constitutional rights are drafted in a democratic process, by the majority, to be a future, binding restriction on the majority.

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 27/10/2006, at 9:33 PM, jdiebremse wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An interesting idea - but I somehow think that abolishing legal marriage isn't going to be a wildly popular idea Well, it's a good job that's not what I said. I said separate

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like anecdotal evidence to me. So much for well-reasoned Yes, those are anecdotal, of course. But did we forget the wee matter of 155 Senate votes on veterans issues since 9/11? Or is that just 155 anecdotes?

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 27/10/2006, at 9:48 PM, jdiebremse wrote: So, in other words, the Republicans increased their budget from $6.5 million in 2001 to $12.7 million (2001 dollars) in FY 2006. Close to DOUBLED it in five years in *inflation-adjusted* terms. ...and the budget for 2007 is back to 7M, which

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread Jim Sharkey
Charlie Bell wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: Further, I would note that you and everyone else here has, in any number of discussions in the past, chosen to ignore some questions or comments on any topic. This may be tacitly ceding a given point, or (as in my case this time) not really understanding

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread William T Goodall
On 27 Oct 2006, at 12:46PM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 27/10/2006, at 9:33 PM, jdiebremse wrote: Do weddings automatically confer legal rights in the UK?Are religious ceremonies required in the UK? Until very recently it had to be in a registry office, if it wasn't in a church. But

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 27/10/2006, at 11:14 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 27 Oct 2006, at 12:46PM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 27/10/2006, at 9:33 PM, jdiebremse wrote: Do weddings automatically confer legal rights in the UK?Are religious ceremonies required in the UK? Until very recently it had to be in

RE: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread Ritu
Charlie wrote: Until very recently it had to be in a registry office, if it wasn't in a church. But again, you have to have a wedding. Over here, the simplest way is to garland each other in the registrar's office and then sign the register. The elaborate ways last for weeks, with the

RE: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread Ritu
Charlie said: Yeah, you can do that in England now too. I think you're now allowed to marry in the open air too, which you weren't even after they relaxed the registry office or place of worship rule. *g* Here, Hindu marriages are *supposed* to be held in the open air. The only

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-27 Thread Nick Arnett
On 10/27/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that its very easy for you to believe that Republicans are cold-hearted monsters - but demonisation of your opponents is rarely true. I don't know what the specific answer is in this case, but I suspect that the above questions are

RE: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Bell Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 12:25 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Gay Unions in NJ On 27/10/2006, at 11:12 AM, jdiebremse wrote: Rather constitutional rights are

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-27 Thread Nick Arnett
On 10/27/06, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and the budget for 2007 is back to 7M, which would be 6.35M in 2001 dollars. So a very modest cut in real terms from the 2001 levels. I'd have to say John's points on questions of how much it was using, what it has used it for, and how

RE: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-27 Thread Dan Minette
How do you spin the shifting of a big chunk of the VA budget onto the veterans through increased fees, copayments, etc.? The increases are far, far more than inflation would account for. There is no change in how the money is spent, only who it is collected from. How do you justify that?

RE: Heroes [SPOILERS Through 10/23]

2006-10-27 Thread Horn, John
On Behalf Of jdiebremse --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Most of the things I'm reading call him Horned Rim Glasses Man or HRG for short (or sometimes HRM). I doubt it. The hotel lady didn't know what happened to FlyingGuy in the morning. Unless she was a

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-27 Thread Nick Arnett
On 10/27/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick, it's not really that simple. My dad and uncles were vets, and I grew up with their views of the VA. Ending up in a VA hospital was considered a very bad thing at the time. The VA administration was considered as a last resort. How

London

2006-10-27 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
I am going to London from Sunday 2006-10-29 to Thursday 2006-11-02. Any good suggestions? How cold is it? Remember that I am Tropical, anything below 20 Celsius is f freezing! Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: London

2006-10-27 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 10/27/2006 10:18:41 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am going to London from Sunday 2006-10-29 to Thursday 2006-11-02. Any good suggestions? How cold is it? Remember that I am Tropical, anything below 20 Celsius is f freezing! !. Read

RE: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-27 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Arnett Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 10:58 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Who REALLY supports the troops On 10/27/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick, it's not

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-27 Thread Nick Arnett
On 10/27/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, we really need to look under the numbers quoted by an advocate. If veterans chose the VA system for maintenance, but chose other hospitals for high cost options, such as long stays in intensive care, then even a very inefficient VA will,

RE: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread Robert G. Seeberger
On 10/27/2006 8:16:31 AM, Ritu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Charlie wrote: Until very recently it had to be in a registry office, if it wasn't in a church. But again, you have to have a wedding. Over here, the simplest way is to garland each other in the registrar's office and then sign

Re: SPOILER WARNING: Re: Heroes

2006-10-27 Thread Matt Grimaldi
- Original Message From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]Matt Sez: ] He also seems to understand his powers much more completely. ] There was mention of causing a rift ] ]* ]The Dialogue: ] ]Hiro: I don't have much time. I'm risking a rift just by coming here. ]

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Eeewww! I hope that the Dr. Who production budgets never sink that low. - Original Message From: Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:30:22 PM Subject: Re: Gay Unions in NJ On 10/26/2006 10:12:44 PM, Ronn!Blankenship ([EMAIL

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Hear Hear! Marriage as a word gets to be defined by religious organizations, and the legally binding contract retains a different name and much more flexibility. -- Matt - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent:

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/10/2006, at 12:25 AM, Dan Minette wrote: Rather constitutional rights are drafted in a democratic process, by the majority, to be a future, binding restriction on the majority. So the views of the Founding Fathers which prevailed were those of the majority, especially those on

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/10/2006, at 9:40 AM, Matt Grimaldi wrote: I agree, there's nothing wrong with calling it a civil union, and that should maybe be the official name. But I confess that I'd personally call such things marriages, just to upset traditionalists. Eventually, they'll be called that

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 06:33 AM Friday 10/27/2006, jdiebremse wrote: Again, I don't see how this differs from the current state of affairs. In the US, atheists have no difficulty in getting married in the secular ceremony of their choice. Do weddings automatically confer legal rights in the UK?Are

Obama's New Rules

2006-10-27 Thread Robert G. Seeberger
http://www.slate.com/id/2152252?GT1=8702 Political assumptions can remain constant for long periods and then change very quickly. And so they have in the approximately 10 days since the publication of Barack Obama's book The Audacity of Hope. In the brief time he's been on book tour, Obama

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 06:28 PM Friday 10/27/2006, Matt Grimaldi wrote: - Original Message From: Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:30:22 PM Subject: Re: Gay Unions in NJ On 10/26/2006 10:12:44 PM, Ronn!Blankenship ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JDG wrote: Noticing that nobody bothered to respond to my last questions I can't speak for everyone else, but I personally don't know much about a progressive income tax's Constitutionality. The progressive income tax is a

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rather constitutional rights are drafted in a democratic process, by the majority, to be a future, binding restriction on the majority. So the views of the Founding Fathers which prevailed were those of the majority,

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what on earth is your problem with the ruling, as you seem to agree with it. I am appalled at the way it was handed down. I've looked over a bit of the decision, and the ruling is even more twisted that I had thought. First,

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/10/2006, at 12:56 PM, jdiebremse wrote: And what has been invented and imposed out of whole cloth here? Is it really not obvious to you? No, it's not. The NJSC decision in a nutshell is that it ordered the NJ Legislature to either: 1) Create gay marriages 2) Create gay

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/10/2006, at 1:05 PM, jdiebremse wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what on earth is your problem with the ruling, as you seem to agree with it. I am appalled at the way it was handed down. I've looked over a bit of the decision, and the ruling

World Champions 2006

2006-10-27 Thread Horn, John
St. Louis Cardinals, World Champions. Man, I like the sound of that! - jmh CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information or otherwise protected by law. Any

Re: World Champions 2006

2006-10-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/10/2006, at 2:47 PM, Horn, John wrote: St. Louis Cardinals, World Champions. *cough* Time they allowed other countries in, eh? Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: World Champions 2006

2006-10-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Horn, John wrote: St. Louis Cardinals, World Champions. Man, I like the sound of that! - jmh You know, the moon is in a different phase than it was when the World Series was won in 2004. I remember the end of the World Series in 2004, and I remember how the moon looked when I got back