Re: Religion kills

2008-08-05 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 4, 2008, at 2:55 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 4 Aug 2008, at 22:42, Jon Louis Mann wrote: i actually agree with william about religion, except i try to be less intolerant and antagonistic. And where does that get you? Well, for one thing, many people on this list find Jon's posts

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-05 Thread William T Goodall
On 5 Aug 2008, at 07:36, Dave Land wrote: On Aug 4, 2008, at 2:55 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 4 Aug 2008, at 22:42, Jon Louis Mann wrote: i actually agree with william about religion, except i try to be less intolerant and antagonistic. And where does that get you? Well, for one

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/08/2008, at 9:35 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: sounds like peter hamilton's new trilogy http://www.peterfhamilton.co.uk/index.php?page=Void_Trilogy what is de Sitter vs. anti-de Sitter universe? Which I've not yet read, even though I quite like Hamilton. I own a copy of Dreaming Void, but

Re: Alastair Reynolds

2008-08-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/08/2008, at 9:45 AM, Olin Elliott wrote: Has anyone here read Alastair Reynolds -- Revelation Space, Chasm City, Redemption Ark. Revelation Space - so so. CC - v. good. RA - alright. I like Reynolds, but he's merely good not utterly brilliant. I've been reading his books for the

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Jon Louis Mann wrote: who was it that postulated that reality is an illusion? Someone before Descartes. someone else suggested that we all exist in cyberspace? jon In that time, it was not cyberspace but demonspace. Just a matter of names. Alberto Monteiro

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/08/2008, at 9:57 AM, Olin Elliott wrote: Betrand Russell (I'm fairly sure it was him) used to call himself A Teacup Athiest. He said he couldn't prove, beyond any doubt, that there wasn't a pink teacup orbiting the sun, but he didn't think that meant that the likelihood of it

Re: Compassion (was Re: Religion kills)

2008-08-05 Thread William T Goodall
On 5 Aug 2008, at 05:07, Nick Arnett wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:01 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sanctimonious like some people And just how does that manage also to leave able to freely, so freely and urgently, share your views on religion.

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/08/2008, at 9:50 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: i sit corrected, in the name of atheism. as a devout atheist i believe there ain't no gawd, but i can't prove it, so i take it on faith. i believe the universe is cyclical and the big bang occurs when all the galaxies in the universe

Re: Alastair Reynolds

2008-08-05 Thread Martin Lewis
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Olin Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone here read Alastair Reynolds -- Revelation Space, Chasm City, Redemption Ark. I've been reading his books for the past few months and really loving them, but he doesn't seem to be that well known among science

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Julia Thompson
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Jon Louis Mann wrote: who was it that postulated that reality is an illusion? Someone before Descartes. Are we talking Plato's cave here, or something later? Julia ___

RE: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Curtis Burisch
Reality is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so. -- Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julia Thompson Sent: 05 August 2008 14:43 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: The First Event On Tue, 5 Aug

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/08/2008, at 11:14 PM, Curtis Burisch wrote: Reality is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so. Sorry: Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so. If you want to be precise. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

RE: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Curtis Burisch
My apologies -- an imperfect memory serves me imperfectly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Bell Sent: 05 August 2008 16:25 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: The First Event On 05/08/2008, at 11:14 PM,

RE: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Julia Thompson
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, Curtis Burisch wrote: My apologies -- an imperfect memory serves me imperfectly. It gives creativity more wiggle room, though. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Alastair Reynolds

2008-08-05 Thread Mike Koenig
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Olin Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone here read Alastair Reynolds -- Revelation Space, Chasm City, Redemption Ark. I've been reading his books for the past few months and really loving them, but he doesn't seem to be that well known among science

The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
From: Curtis Burisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reality is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so. -- Douglas Adams Jon Louis Mann wrote: who was it that postulated that reality is an illusion? Alberto Monteiro wrote: Someone before Descartes. Are we talking Plato's cave here, or something

Religion kills

2008-08-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Of course you may know that a cyclical universe seems to be out of favor with cosmologists now because the latest evidence points to the density of stuff in the universe (matter + energy + dark matter + dark energy) being less than the critical density necessary to halt the expansion,

The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Jon Louis Mann wrote: sounds like peter hamilton's new trilogy http://www.peterfhamilton.co.uk/index.php?page=Void_Trilogy Which I've not yet read, even though I quite like Hamilton. I own a copy of Dreaming Void, but it's on a ship somewhere between the UK and Oz right now.

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Nick Arnett
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: From: Curtis Burisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reality is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so. -- Douglas Adams Jon Louis Mann wrote: who was it that postulated that reality is an illusion? Alberto Monteiro wrote:

Re: Compassion (was Re: Religion kills)

2008-08-05 Thread Nick Arnett
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:19 AM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Sanctimonious: Making a show of being morally better than others. I'm not making a show of anything. Of course. Silly me. I should have recognized that you are doing nothing more than faithfully, er, reliably

Re: Alastair Reynolds

2008-08-05 Thread William T Goodall
On 5 Aug 2008, at 12:55, Martin Lewis wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Olin Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone here read Alastair Reynolds -- Revelation Space, Chasm City, Redemption Ark. I've been reading his books for the past few months and really loving them, but

Re: Alastair Reynolds

2008-08-05 Thread Martin Lewis
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:49 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I enjoyed the first couple, particulary CC, but he isn't a writer who has ever evolved. Here are a couple of reviews of some of his more recent ones: http://www.sfsite.com/02b/cr194.htm

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Julia Thompson wrote: who was it that postulated that reality is an illusion? Someone before Descartes. Are we talking Plato's cave here, or something later? Plato's cave was one, but probably the idea had come to someone before Plato. Alberto Monteiro

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread David Hobby
Jon Louis Mann wrote: Jon Louis Mann wrote: sounds like peter hamilton's new trilogy http://www.peterfhamilton.co.uk/index.php?page=Void_Trilogy Which I've not yet read, even though I quite like Hamilton. I own a copy of Dreaming Void, but it's on a ship somewhere between the UK and

Wait how long for the file to download?

2008-08-05 Thread Nick Arnett
I have to use MS Excel in my work. Actually, it has always been an application that I thought does a lot of cool things... but boy, it crashes a lot on my desktop machine. I upgraded to the latest version, finally got used to the weird ribbon menus (still can't find things sometimes)... but it

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 04:57 PM Tuesday 8/5/2008, David Hobby wrote: Jon Louis Mann wrote: Jon Louis Mann wrote: sounds like peter hamilton's new trilogy http://www.peterfhamilton.co.uk/index.php?page=Void_Trilogy Which I've not yet read, even though I quite like Hamilton. I own a copy of Dreaming

Re: Alastair Reynolds

2008-08-05 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 07:04 PM Monday 8/4/2008, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 4 Aug 2008 at 16:45, Olin Elliott wrote: Has anyone here read Alastair Reynolds -- Revelation Space, Chasm City, Redemption Ark. I've been reading his books for the past few months and really loving them, but he doesn't seem to be that

Re: Wait how long for the file to download?

2008-08-05 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 10:18 PM Tuesday 8/5/2008, Nick Arnett wrote: I have to use MS Excel in my work. Actually, it has always been an application that I thought does a lot of cool things... but boy, it crashes a lot on my desktop machine. I upgraded to the latest version, finally got used to the weird ribbon

Re: Wait how long for the file to download?

2008-08-05 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 5, 2008, at 8:18 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: 4. Wait about a week to allow the file to be downloaded, and then run Microsoft Office Diagnostics again. Uh, that's one big honkin' download, apparently. I knew those service packs were getting big... but a week! Okay, I understand