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2008-08-21 Thread Jon Louis Mann
William, This is not a discussion list about religion. I don't think we've ever moderated anybody for frequent off-topic posting, but I'm growing increasingly concerned that many of your postings are a distraction and offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Others,including

Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)

2008-08-21 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Nick Arnett wrote: Your anti-religious postings are trivial. That's the problem. Science versus religion is a perfectly reasonable topic here. That's not what you're offering us. I think I am seeing both sides to some degree. I have unsubbed from other lists because of people who

Re: Greg Bear's Quantico

2008-08-21 Thread Nick Arnett
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:17 AM, John Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone read Greg Bear's thriller Quantico? Not yet, myself. Is it out in paperback? If so, that'll be worth a trip to the bookstore... Nick ___

Re: Greg Bear's Quantico

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall
On 20 Aug 2008, at 17:17, John Garcia wrote: Has anyone read Greg Bear's thriller Quantico? I enjoyed it. Bear always gives me some food for thought. Would you have read it if you didn't know Bear from his SF? Thrillers are a much more lucrative genre than SF so it's not surprising SF

Greg Bear

2008-08-21 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Has anyone read Greg Bear's thriller Quantico? I enjoyed it. Bear always gives me some food for thought. John If you liked that you should read Blood Music http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Music Jon ___

RE: World Trade

2008-08-21 Thread Dan M
Sorry for the delay, but I've been working _very_ hard and have had next to no free time. dan, of course ancient societies had little control over their lives, but we live in the 21st century now, and it still goes on. i am not denying that wealth can be created and technology increases

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Alberto Monteiro
William T Goodall wrote: I think it's clear than Nick's behaviour here is quite inappropriate and deserves censure in the strongest terms. What happened to IAAMOAC? It's clear Nick doesn't like my opinions. It's even clearer that he's abusing his position in the most egregious manner

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread David Hobby
William T Goodall wrote: On 20 Aug 2008, at 15:12, Nick Arnett wrote: William, This is not a discussion list about religion. I don't think we've ever moderated anybody for frequent off-topic posting, but I'm growing increasingly concerned that many of your postings are a distraction

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Dave Land
William, If you have something new to contribute to the discussion, I, for one, welcome it. If you have more of the same with which to spam the list, then I, for one, do not. I know that I can simply skip or delete your messages, but where is the spirit of IAAMOAC, forcing your fellow

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall
On 20 Aug 2008, at 21:04, Dave Land wrote: William, If you have something new to contribute to the discussion, I, for one, welcome it. Newness is a rather high standard to set. Most of the arguments are quite old but still not settled. If you have more of the same with which to spam

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Charlie Bell
On 21/08/2008, at 7:48 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Newness is a rather high standard to set. Most of the arguments are quite old but still not settled. But you're not arguing, you're just posting third party articles that reinforce your worldview. The silent majority on the list love

Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)

2008-08-21 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
William T Goodall wrote: On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:13, Olin Elliott wrote: By that description, 99% of the postings are off topic. And I'm not even the most frequent poster! You are, however, the most monotonous and boring. -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall
On 21 Aug 2008, at 11:04, Charlie Bell wrote: On 21/08/2008, at 7:48 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Newness is a rather high standard to set. Most of the arguments are quite old but still not settled. But you're not arguing, you're just posting third party articles that reinforce your

Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall
On 21 Aug 2008, at 00:47, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: William T Goodall wrote: On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:13, Olin Elliott wrote: By that description, 99% of the postings are off topic. And I'm not even the most frequent poster! You are, however, the most monotonous and boring. I like to

RE: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Pat Mathews
I can't speak for other members of the list's silent majority. I, for one, see another news article on some cult or its members run amok,yawn, and hit Delete. Just thought you'd want to know. http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject:

Re: Greg Bear's Quantico

2008-08-21 Thread John Garcia
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:00 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On 20 Aug 2008, at 17:17, John Garcia wrote: Has anyone read Greg Bear's thriller Quantico? I enjoyed it. Bear always gives me some food for thought. Would you have read it if you didn't know Bear from his SF?

Re: Greg Bear's Quantico

2008-08-21 Thread John Garcia
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:17 AM, John Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone read Greg Bear's thriller Quantico? Not yet, myself. Is it out in paperback? If so, that'll be worth a trip to the bookstore... Nick

Re: Greg Bear

2008-08-21 Thread John Garcia
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Has anyone read Greg Bear's thriller Quantico? I enjoyed it. Bear always gives me some food for thought. John If you liked that you should read Blood Music http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Music Jon

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall
On 21 Aug 2008, at 14:07, Pat Mathews wrote: I can't speak for other members of the list's silent majority. I, for one, see another news article on some cult or its members run amok,yawn, and hit Delete. Just thought you'd want to know. What makes you think you're part of the list's

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:38 AM Thursday 8/21/2008, William T Goodall wrote: On 21 Aug 2008, at 14:07, Pat Mathews wrote: I can't speak for other members of the list's silent majority. I, for one, see another news article on some cult or its members run amok,yawn, and hit Delete. Just thought you'd want

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Lance A. Brown
Pat Mathews wrote: I can't speak for other members of the list's silent majority. I, for one, see another news article on some cult or its members run amok,yawn, and hit Delete. Ditto. --[Lance] -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Lance A. Brown
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: If they are indeed _silent_, what makes you think they agree with you? He's a mind reader. Doesn't believe in religion, but does believe in telepathy. :-) The Amazing William Maru --[Lance] -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Nick Arnett
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Ronn! Blankenship wrote: If they are indeed _silent_, what makes you think they agree with you? He's a mind reader. Doesn't believe in religion, but does believe in telepathy. :-) The Amazing William Maru LOL!

Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)

2008-08-21 Thread Bruce Bostwick
I haven't weighed in on this yet because I'm sort of a newbie on this list, and there's probably history to this that I'm missing, but I'm very familiar with lists where I'm not especailly interested in (or necessarily agree with) every post I get on every list. Some are offensive, some

Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)

2008-08-21 Thread Nick Arnett
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: William's objection seems to be that the decision to moderate him There has been no such decision. We remain extremely reluctant to moderate anybody, for the very reasons you cite. There is discussion, which is

Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall
On 21 Aug 2008, at 16:19, Bruce Bostwick wrote: I haven't weighed in on this yet because I'm sort of a newbie on this list, and there's probably history to this that I'm missing, but I'm very familiar with lists where I'm not especailly interested in (or necessarily agree with) every post I

Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)

2008-08-21 Thread Max Battcher
William T Goodall wrote: There are no 'technical or procedural' reasons for objecting to my posts on the matter of religion: it's an attempt by some to silence the expression of views they don't like plain and simple. Are you kidding? This is entirely about technical/procedural

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Olin Elliott
The list has now been dominated by this discusion for much longer than seems reasonable. It is much more distracting than William's posts. - Original Message - From: Nick Arnettmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall
On 21 Aug 2008, at 18:53, Olin Elliott wrote: The list has now been dominated by this discusion for much longer than seems reasonable. It is much more distracting than William's posts. It does seem an enormous amount of fuss about one or two posts per week. That's why I don't believe

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 09:33 AM Thursday 8/21/2008, Lance A. Brown wrote: Ronn! Blankenship wrote: If they are indeed _silent_, what makes you think they agree with you? He's a mind reader. Doesn't believe in religion, but does believe in telepathy. :-) The Amazing William Maru --[Lance] I was being

Re: Greg Bear

2008-08-21 Thread Mauro Diotallevi
On 8/21/08, John Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Has anyone read Greg Bear's thriller Quantico? I enjoyed it. Bear always gives me some food for thought. John If you liked that you should read Blood Music

Re: Greg Bear

2008-08-21 Thread Julia Thompson
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On 8/21/08, John Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Has anyone read Greg Bear's thriller Quantico? I enjoyed it. Bear always gives me some food for thought. John If you

Re: Greg Bear

2008-08-21 Thread Mauro Diotallevi
On 8/21/08, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great, now I feel old -- I checked it out of the library in college after a friend of mine had recommended it, and it was fairly new at the time. (As in, not out in paperback yet.) How about a limerick to cheer you up? ((12 + 144 + 20 + (3 *

Re: Greg Bear

2008-08-21 Thread David Hobby
Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On 8/21/08, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great, now I feel old -- I checked it out of the library in college after a friend of mine had recommended it, and it was fairly new at the time. (As in, not out in paperback yet.) How about a limerick to cheer you

Re: Greg Bear

2008-08-21 Thread Julia Thompson
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008, David Hobby wrote: Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On 8/21/08, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great, now I feel old -- I checked it out of the library in college after a friend of mine had recommended it, and it was fairly new at the time. (As in, not out in paperback

Re: World Trade

2008-08-21 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Dan M wrote: One of the main causes of starvation is that people with guns stop NGOs from distributing food at gunpoint. Some allow it through, after substantial bribes are paid, some don't. My daughter has worked in this area for about 4-5 years now, and has some strong opinions. I'm going

Re: Greg Bear

2008-08-21 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 21, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 2008, David Hobby wrote: Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On 8/21/08, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great, now I feel old -- I checked it out of the library in college after a friend of mine had recommended it, and it was

Re: Greg Bear

2008-08-21 Thread Julia Thompson
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008, Dave Land wrote: On Aug 21, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 2008, David Hobby wrote: Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On 8/21/08, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great, now I feel old -- I checked it out of the library in college after a

RE: Greg Bear

2008-08-21 Thread Pat Mathews
I got the first line, anyway. A dozen, a gross, and a score and am far too lazy to do the calculations and figure out the rest. http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:56:26 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Greg Bear On

Ideology

2008-08-21 Thread Dan M
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Bell Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 5:42 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: Religion kills When beliefs get in the way of reason. And in that sense, Stalinist

RE: Ideology

2008-08-21 Thread Dan M
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan M Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:15 PM To: 'Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion' Subject: Ideology .. I think that, while I have quibbles with your first statement, Agreed with your

Re: Greg Bear

2008-08-21 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 21, 2008, at 3:00 PM, Pat Mathews wrote: I got the first line, anyway. A dozen, a gross, and a score and am far too lazy to do the calculations and figure out the rest. That's what Google is for: if you type the first four lines of the limerick into the search box, it calculates

Re: Greg Bear

2008-08-21 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Aug 21, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Dave Land wrote: On Aug 21, 2008, at 3:00 PM, Pat Mathews wrote: I got the first line, anyway. A dozen, a gross, and a score and am far too lazy to do the calculations and figure out the rest. That's what Google is for: if you type the first four lines of

Re: Greg Bear

2008-08-21 Thread Julia Thompson
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Aug 21, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Dave Land wrote: On Aug 21, 2008, at 3:00 PM, Pat Mathews wrote: I got the first line, anyway. A dozen, a gross, and a score and am far too lazy to do the calculations and figure out the rest. That's what

Limericks (was Re: Greg Bear)

2008-08-21 Thread Dave Land
Folks, They needn't have ribaldry's taint Or strive to make everyone faint. There's a type that's demure And perfectly pure Though it helps quite a lot if they ain't. Of course, there are all the ones that begin, There was an old man from Nantucket..., most of which are quite unprintable, but

Re: Greg Bear

2008-08-21 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Aug 21, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Dave Land wrote: On Aug 21, 2008, at 3:00 PM, Pat Mathews wrote: I got the first line, anyway. A dozen, a gross, and a score and am far too lazy to do the

Happy Birthday!

2008-08-21 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
Ray Bradbury is 88 today (Friday). ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l