On 21/09/2008, at 1:58 PM, Euan Ritchie wrote:
NZ's population is just over 4 million (in a country 20% larger than
the
U.K), we have more like 60 millions sheep currently and not many of
their pastures were rain forests (only the very North of NZ is
sub-tropical, mostly we've a temperate
Much of New Zealand's pastureland (by no means all) is cleared land,
and that means some of it would have been rainforest, even on the
South Island.
Cleared land certainly, before people got here the islands were pretty
much covered by native bush tip to tail (excepting the tussocked
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there no way to define success in evolutionary terms? Wiki describes
natural selection thus: Over many generations, adaptations occur through a
combination of successive, small, random changes in traits, and natural
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This seems to me to be a bit like Newtonian v. quantum physics. The former
is fine for gross measurements, the latter for fine ones... and the two
haven't been reconciled.
Skipped Physics 101, did you?
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On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:28 AM, John Williams
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Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This seems to me to be a bit like Newtonian v. quantum physics. The
former
is fine for gross measurements, the latter for fine ones... and the two
haven't been reconciled.
Skipped
Officials paving California road that plays William Tell Overture
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/09/20/musical.road.ap/index.html
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Subject: Re: Science and Ideals.
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:28 AM, John Williams
wrote:
Nick Arnett
This seems to me to be a bit like
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:47 AM, John Williams
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I find it sad how many people here speak with great authority about that
which
they obviously do not know.
Yes, it is so sad. Almost as sad as the patronizing attitude some folks
exhibit when they are certain that most
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, it is so sad. Almost as sad as the patronizing attitude some folks
exhibit when they are certain that most everybody else is an idiot.
Yes, that is sad. Especially when combined with the idea that all those
idiots must be taken care of by those who think
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realize it when their infallibility is pointed out.
Such as this lack of infallibility. I certainly hope this guy doesn't
try to force his will on others with mistakes like that!
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On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 9:09 AM, John Williams
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Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, it is so sad. Almost as sad as the patronizing attitude some folks
exhibit when they are certain that most everybody else is an idiot.
Yes, that is sad. Especially when combined
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyway, I suspect you are trying to cross-pollinate threads here by alluding
to political ideas I expressed elsewhere and implying that they must be
wrong because I misspoke here.
I am not implying that anything must be wrong, only that some know less
than
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 9:35 AM, John Williams
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We allow mistakes to be pointed here, too. Otherwise, how will those who
think they are qualified to impose their will on others ever find out that
they
never will be? Let's make it a rule!
Criticism is most certainly
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
May I ask this... you seem to be implying that to impose one's will on
others is wrong. Is that what you would have us believe?
I would not presume to tell you what to believe. I rarely know what to believe
myself. But one thing I do know is that when people
An interesting blog post about sustainability on another island:
http://cafehayek.typepad.com/hayek/2008/09/a-letter-inspir.html
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But one thing I do know is that when people try to impose their ideals
on me, I feel that I should oppose them.
I think this may have a connection to Doug's post.
The statement above could perhaps be taken as part of the basis of an
ethical system. Something
On 22/09/2008, at 12:37 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Is there no way to define success in evolutionary terms? Wiki
describes
natural selection thus: Over many generations, adaptations occur
through a
combination of
On 22/09/2008, at 2:16 AM, John Williams wrote:
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realize it when their infallibility is pointed out.
Such as this lack of infallibility. I certainly hope this guy doesn't
try to force his will on others with mistakes like that!
It's possible to tell
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
You've hit on something that's both profound and irrelevant.
Ack! I'll never earn a living this way!
Nick
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On 22/09/2008, at 6:36 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Charlie Bell
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You've hit on something that's both profound and irrelevant.
Ack! I'll never earn a living this way!
Heheh! Seriously, it's a good point you made, but it's more
Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's possible to tell people they're wrong and point out opposing
views without constantly implying that the other party is in some way
trying to be superior.
That is not what I was implying.
It makes for a much friendlier discussion, and
this is a
From: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's possible to tell people they're wrong and point out opposing
views without constantly implying that the other party is in some way
trying to be superior. It makes for a much friendlier discussion, and
this is a discussion list.
Charlie.
Too true.
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 2:16 PM, John Williams
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Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's possible to tell people they're wrong and point out opposing
views without constantly implying that the other party is in some way
trying to be superior.
That is not what I was
Yes, that is sad. Especially when combined with the idea
that all those
idiots must be taken care of by those who think they have
the knowledge
and ability to fix everything, but who obviously do not,
and do not even
realize it when their infallibility is pointed out.
you're projecting,
Coincidentally I happen to be a New Zealander
NZ's population is just over 4 million (in a country
20% larger than the
U.K), we have more like 60 millions sheep currently and not
many of
their pastures were rain forests (only the very North of NZ
is
sub-tropical, mostly we've a temperate
We allow mistakes to be pointed here, too. Otherwise,
how will those who
think they are qualified to impose their will on
others ever find out that
they
never will be? Let's make it a rule!
Criticism is most certainly honored in David Brin's
writings, which
implicitly makes it valued
Yes, it is so sad. Almost as sad as the
patronizing attitude some folks
exhibit when they are certain that most everybody
else is an idiot.
Yes, that is sad. Especially when combined with the
idea that all those
idiots must be taken care of by those who think they
have the knowledge
I met David Lange when I was on a bicycle sojourn in the late 80s.
A reflection of New Zealands small size. I too bumped into him while
cycling (in my case getting around my home town).
He's not the only Prime Minister I've happened across in daily activities.
I was under the impression that
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The examples that come to me are things like urging others to vote for the
candidate I believe to be most qualified or urging people to give to certain
charities that believe do good work.
Are you being serious here? Do you really think that might be what I
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
i'm not ashamed to admit that i make lots of mistakes. does that make
me an idiot? that's how i learn...
Well, if that's how you *learn*, you're still open to learning, and if
someone is open to learning, they are, IMO, *not* an idiot.
Well, if that's how you *learn*, you're still open
to learning, and if
someone is open to learning, they are, IMO, *not* an idiot.
Julia
well, there you are... i learned something else. some of us are human and when
the free exchange of ideas turns nasty, and sarcastic, not all of us
I don't know such detail. New Zealand does have
stricter than typical
bio-security laws because of the influence agriculture and
tourism has
on our economy. Among other reasons past attempts by E.U
countries to
denigrate NZs meat industry (in attempts to have it
excluded as
competition to
On Sep 21, 2008, at 8:35 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
Officials paving California road that plays William Tell Overture
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/09/20/musical.road.ap/index.html
Yup. That's just what America needs: an excuse to drive back and forth
over the same stretch of road for no
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