RE: Financial institution fallout

2008-12-09 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Max Battcher wrote: (I think the analogy between economics and electricity is particularly useful and perhaps under-explored. I'd love to see more economists use circuit diagrams...) Probably because electricity is too deterministic, and economics is too random. OTOH, economy has

Re: The [WINDOWS-1252?]Libertarians’ Lament

2008-12-09 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Doug Pensinger quoted: (libertarians) Their heroic view of capitalism makes it difficult for them to accept that markets can be irrational, misunderstand risk and misallocate [WINDOWS-1252?]resources—or that financial systems without vigorous government oversight constitute a recipe for

RE: Financial institution fallout

2008-12-09 Thread Dan M
Well, I was hoping to set the ground rules for discussion. You do like trying to impose your rules on others, don't you. Actually, they aren't my rules. The rules I was proposing were the general rules of experimental inquiry that I have learned. I have also observed that folks who follow

RE: Financial institution fallout

2008-12-09 Thread Dan M
Hah! Money is no longer on the gold standard and is completely and totally a social contract dependent on the whims of societies and markets and the fiat of governments. Yup. And, if you looked at gold, it has bounced up and down, like all the other commodities. In 2008 dollars here

Re: Financial institution fallout

2008-12-09 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I was hoping to set the ground rules for discussion. You do like trying to impose your rules on others, don't you. Actually, they aren't my rules. Don't like to take responsibility for your actions, huh?

Re: The [WINDOWS-1252?]Libertarians’ Lament

2008-12-09 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:23 AM, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Pensinger quoted: (libertarians) Their heroic view of capitalism makes it difficult for them to accept that markets can be irrational, misunderstand risk and misallocate [WINDOWS-1252?]resources—or that financial

Re: Financial institution fallout

2008-12-09 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hah! Money is no longer on the gold standard and is completely and totally a social contract dependent on the whims of societies and markets and the fiat of governments. Libertarians pretend that all would be well when money

Politicians, business as usual

2008-12-09 Thread John Williams
http://media.nbcchicago.com/documents/rrb+-jh+FINAL+complaint+cover+and+aff.pdf Some quotes: With respect to the Senate seat, Deputy Governor A suggested putting together a list of things that ROD BLAGOJEVICH would accept in exchange for the Senate seat. ROD BLAGOJEVICH responded that the

Politicians against freedom of the press

2008-12-09 Thread John Williams
http://media.nbcchicago.com/documents/rrb+-jh+FINAL+complaint+cover+and+aff.pdf Defendants ROD BLAGOJEVICH and JOHN HARRIS, together with others, offered to, and threatened to withhold from, the Tribune Company substantial state financial assistance in connection with Wrigley Field, which

Re: Financial institution fallout

2008-12-09 Thread Dave Land
On Dec 9, 2008, at 9:55 AM, John Williams wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I was hoping to set the ground rules for discussion. You do like trying to impose your rules on others, don't you. Actually, they aren't my rules. Don't like to take

Arnold Kling testimony on financial crisis

2008-12-09 Thread John Williams
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2008/12/my_planned_oral.html by Arnold Kling Chairman Waxman, Ranking Member Davis, and Distinguished Members of the Committee: It is a privilege to be asked to testify in this forum today regarding the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the ongoing

Re: Financial institution fallout

2008-12-09 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks: unless you want more like this -- and see above, it's all there is -- don't feed the troll. The problem with feeding the troll is that once you start, it is hard to stop. Much like our government bailing out the

Re: Financial institution fallout

2008-12-09 Thread Dave Land
On Dec 9, 2008, at 1:40 PM, John Williams wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks: unless you want more like this -- and see above, it's all there is -- don't feed the troll. The problem with feeding the troll is that once you start, it is hard