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2008-09-03 Thread William T Goodall
web interface! -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-03 Thread William T Goodall
On 3 Sep 2008, at 23:08, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 2 Sep 2008 at 19:07, William T Goodall wrote: I think that our capacity for ethics comes from our social animal nature but that telling good from bad comes from thinking about ethics using our intelligence. Per Dawkins, animal group

Re: Sarah Palin

2008-09-02 Thread William T Goodall
On 2 Sep 2008, at 08:06, Dave Land wrote: On Aug 30, 2008, at 5:23 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 30 Aug 2008, at 23:48, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Even if you don't give a fuck about people with Down Syndrome, remember that, not long ago, someone else started doing

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-02 Thread William T Goodall
clear views are these: morality, better, worse, etc. are based on axioms that are posited (i.e. taken on faith) or they are just tools of politics. So you've progressed from the strawman argument to the false dichotomy? More Later Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-02 Thread William T Goodall
of the universe. Bumper Sticker Philosophy Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Theists cannot be trusted as they believe that right and wrong are the arbitrary proclamations of invisible demons

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-02 Thread William T Goodall
. because we are all made in the image and likeness of God we must love one's neighbor as oneself. Or it could be a social contract. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Justice New Ideas Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-02 Thread William T Goodall
the viewpoint that realism. If realism is valid, how can there be a plethora of interpretations of science, each describing a far different reality, with no testable differences, [snip] Fallacy: Ignoratio elenchi or red herring. Critique Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-02 Thread William T Goodall
don't spend much time arguing about which language is 'best' ;-) Sapir-Whorf Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-02 Thread William T Goodall
they are all equally valid and there is no way to call one better than the other? Not a car analogy Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Theists cannot be trusted as they believe that right and wrong

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-01 Thread William T Goodall
kind of answer, than the question of what is good. The question 'where do our ethical ideas come from' has the answer 'our nature as social mammals'. The question 'how do we tell good from bad' does not have the answer 'our nature as social mammals'. Category Mistake Maru -- William T

Re: Sarah Palin

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
On 31 Aug 2008, at 03:45, Charlie Bell wrote: If you're trolling back at Will, please stop it. One like him on this list is enough. Who's a naughty boy then? Ad Hominem Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com

Re: Honest terminology

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
way to indicate humour, sarcasm, irony and so forth is through the appropriate emoticons ;-) Running gag Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Due to a typographical error the entire arctic deployment

Re: Honest terminology

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
Sarah Palin as a joke? The latest rumours about her are pretty funny %-} http://www.spartacuslives.org/node/20463 -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
of belaboring strawmen like 'Social Darwinism'? Deja Vu Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Every Sunday Christians congregate to drink blood in honour of their zombie master

Re: Teaching multiple models of science

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
/ Gym :-) Not a subject Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Every Sunday Christians congregate to drink blood in honour of their zombie master. ___ http

Re: Personhood (was: Sarah Palin)

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
behind barbed wire on death row if they weren't guilty of something. Barbecue Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I wish developing great products was as easy as writing a check. If so, then Microsoft

ATL : Drobo

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
actually heard one, and if so how noisy is it? http://www.drobo.com/ Silent Running Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Two years from now, spam will be solved. - Bill Gates, 2004

Re: Honest terminology

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
On 1 Sep 2008, at 01:18, David Hobby wrote: William T Goodall wrote: ... So does that mean he intends Sarah Palin as a joke? The latest rumours about her are pretty funny %-} http://www.spartacuslives.org/node/20463 William-- That is interesting. One never knows, but those are a lot

Abortion (was Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin)

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
or we'll kill a thousand American children! LOL Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Every Sunday Christians congregate to drink blood in honour of their zombie master

Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
On 1 Sep 2008, at 01:32, David Hobby wrote: (Sorry about the titles. I just replied about Sarah Palin in the Honest Terminology thread, and in the Sarah Palin thread, I'm talking about honest terminology.) William T Goodall wrote: On 30 Aug 2008, at 04:54, David Hobby wrote

Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
On 1 Sep 2008, at 02:32, David Hobby wrote: William T Goodall wrote: On 1 Sep 2008, at 01:32, David Hobby wrote: ... If you start counting zygotes as children then IUDs and morning after pills are infanticide. That's just wackjob wingnut daft. Well, they are preventing things from living

Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin

2008-08-30 Thread William T Goodall
On 30 Aug 2008, at 04:54, David Hobby wrote: William T Goodall wrote: Sarah Palin ... Vice President ... She's a crazy person. With four kids already, and at an age when the risk of fetal abnormalities is massively escalated, she gets pregnant again and when the tests show it has Down

Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin

2008-08-30 Thread William T Goodall
On 30 Aug 2008, at 03:54, William T Goodall wrote: She's a crazy person. McCain's VP Wants Creationism Taught in School http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/08/mccains-vp-want.html Told you Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog

Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin

2008-08-30 Thread William T Goodall
be a healthy and useful life skill to develop. People could use that skill in on-line discussions! That assumes there aren't crazy religionists trying to play the system to promote their superstitious pernicious garbage. Vigilance Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http

Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin

2008-08-30 Thread William T Goodall
On 30 Aug 2008, at 17:10, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: William T Goodall wrote: That assumes there aren't crazy religionists trying to play the system to promote their superstitious pernicious garbage. When it's split between crazy creationists in one side and mass murdering

Re: Debate (was Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin)

2008-08-30 Thread William T Goodall
On 30 Aug 2008, at 17:13, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 8:32 AM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People could use that skill in on-line discussions! That assumes there aren't crazy religionists trying to play the system to promote their superstitious

Re: Sarah Palin

2008-08-30 Thread William T Goodall
words, if I am in a position, say, to accept a bribe, and I don't accept, I only do it because it will benefit me? If it makes you feel good about your probity that's a benefit :-) Simple Pleasures Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk

Re: Honest terminology

2008-08-30 Thread William T Goodall
with and then you changed the subject for no reason. And as you know very well atheism isn't an ethical system and has nothing to say about right/wrong good/bad. It just says superstitious religion is false. It's a separate ethical matter that false is evil. Naughty Troll -- William T Goodall Mail

Re: Welcome to Hyperinflation!

2008-08-29 Thread William T Goodall
On 29 Aug 2008, at 18:34, Dave Land wrote: I am having a hard time finding good numbers, but one reference on the web (http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/H/1990/ch8_p21.htm) put it above 20% in 1980. http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-carterreagan.htm Second Hand Maru -- William T Goodall Mail

Re: Secular belief vs Science

2008-08-29 Thread William T Goodall
On 29 Aug 2008, at 20:18, David Land wrote: My mind boggled. Why ask the damn question, then? She had faith. Unreasoning Belief Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's no chance

Re: Secular belief vs Science

2008-08-29 Thread William T Goodall
the immunisation version of Pascal's Wager? Betting Slip Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ It is our belief, however, that serious professional users will run out of things they can do with UNIX

Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin

2008-08-29 Thread William T Goodall
. Sick Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance - Steve Ballmer ___ http

Re: Sore losers

2008-08-27 Thread William T Goodall
On 27 Aug 2008, at 16:35, Nick Arnett wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 5:36 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why are the Americans counting total medals instead of golds for the olympics? Who is doing this counting? I just searched Google News and what I see

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2008-08-27 Thread William T Goodall
web interface! -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up

Re: Brazilian volleyball girls

2008-08-27 Thread William T Goodall
population. Plenty of scope to find a Xue Chen (a 6'3 beach volleyball player) and so on. In fact I should think China is the country with the world's largest young female population despite gender imbalance followed by India (which also has a male excess). Relative Maru -- William T

Sore losers

2008-08-26 Thread William T Goodall
they did it at Sydney). And the 'not real sports' jibes about table tennis, rhythmic gymnastics and others? Beach Volleyball Rules Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Theists cannot be trusted

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-25 Thread William T Goodall
facing the USA consistent with my values, not whether or not he has a cool Facebook page. Wouldn't he have to understand the issues first? Dinosaur Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I think a case can

Re: World Trade

2008-08-25 Thread William T Goodall
On 25 Aug 2008, at 14:18, John Garcia wrote: On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 9:05 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should the white farmers who were born in Zimbabwe from several generations of people born in Zimbabwe have their property and livelihoods confiscated either

Re: Brin: What's in the works?

2008-08-24 Thread William T Goodall
for someone in charge of the big red button? And that's without anything to do with his policies. Ooh! Shiny Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ It was only after ordering the melon balls that Rick

Re: World Trade

2008-08-24 Thread William T Goodall
several generations of people born in Zimbabwe have their property and livelihoods confiscated either directly or through taxation just because they are white? That's racism isn't it? Saucy Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http

Re: Limericks usung purple and orange.

2008-08-22 Thread William T Goodall
an evening of delicious Czech pivo :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Image-Praha_2005-09-20_Goethe_Institut-01.jpg Better then German Bier Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I believe OS/2 is destined

Re: Greg Bear's Quantico

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall
writers sometimes have a try at it (Gregory Benford's _Artifact_ was another) but I think they usually have too much SF for the thriller crowd and not enough for the SF crowd. Neither fish nor fowl Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall
of this list is diversity of opinion. Expression Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall
On 21 Aug 2008, at 11:04, Charlie Bell wrote: On 21/08/2008, at 7:48 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Newness is a rather high standard to set. Most of the arguments are quite old but still not settled. But you're not arguing, you're just posting third party articles that reinforce your

Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall
On 21 Aug 2008, at 00:47, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: William T Goodall wrote: On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:13, Olin Elliott wrote: By that description, 99% of the postings are off topic. And I'm not even the most frequent poster! You are, however, the most monotonous and boring. I like

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall
silent majority? Contradiction Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Theists cannot be trusted as they believe that right and wrong are the arbitrary proclamations of invisible demons

Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall
the expression of views they don't like plain and simple. Pernicious Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread William T Goodall
the reasons given for it. Occam's Razor Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder

Child-killing religion

2008-08-20 Thread William T Goodall
about 15 months old when police say adults stopped feeding him in December 2006. The power of faith Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit

Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)

2008-08-20 Thread William T Goodall
and silence those with whom you do not agree and that this behaviour could be offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Watchmen Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe

Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)

2008-08-20 Thread William T Goodall
On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:22, Nick Arnett wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:10 AM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't read it then. I certainly don't read every post to this list. Bzzzt. As you know, I am one of the list managers and as a group, we do and we will read all

Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)

2008-08-20 Thread William T Goodall
, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. - Albert Einstein -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman

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2008-08-20 Thread William T Goodall
web interface! -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up

Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-20 Thread William T Goodall
to IAAMOAC? It's clear Nick doesn't like my opinions. It's even clearer that he's abusing his position in the most egregious manner and should apologise to me and the list for his outburst. Civil Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http

Re: Sanity prevails

2008-08-17 Thread William T Goodall
of study as botany, zoology, microbiology, physiology, cytology, genetics, and ecology. Reflects the latest advances in man's understanding of living things without neglecting a foundation in the basics. These people are mad Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http

Sanity prevails

2008-08-16 Thread William T Goodall
. Science courses from a religious perspective are not approved, she said. If it comes from certain publishers or from a religious perspective, UC simply denies them. Invisible Friends Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http

True Love

2008-08-13 Thread William T Goodall
particular men sexually attractive is not so important once a woman is expecting a child. Romance Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant

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2008-08-13 Thread William T Goodall
web interface! -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up

The Nigerian man who has 86 wives

2008-08-07 Thread William T Goodall
nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. - Albert Einstein -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http

Re: The Nigerian man who has 86 wives

2008-08-07 Thread William T Goodall
On 8 Aug 2008, at 01:27, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 07:23 PM Thursday 8/7/2008, William T Goodall wrote: When you marry a man with 86 wives you know he knows how to look after them Viagra Maru Obviously if God hadn't meant men to have 86 wives he wouldn't have given us Viagra

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2008-08-06 Thread William T Goodall
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Long wait (was Re: The First Event)

2008-08-06 Thread William T Goodall
to April 2009, and that's quite provisional since he hasn't finished writing it yet. Reread Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-05 Thread William T Goodall
On 5 Aug 2008, at 07:36, Dave Land wrote: On Aug 4, 2008, at 2:55 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 4 Aug 2008, at 22:42, Jon Louis Mann wrote: i actually agree with william about religion, except i try to be less intolerant and antagonistic. And where does that get you? Well, for one

Re: Compassion (was Re: Religion kills)

2008-08-05 Thread William T Goodall
On 5 Aug 2008, at 05:07, Nick Arnett wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:01 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sanctimonious like some people And just how does that manage also to leave able to freely, so freely and urgently, share your views on religion

Re: Alastair Reynolds

2008-08-05 Thread William T Goodall
http://www.strangehorizons.com/reviews/2007/06/the_prefect_by_.shtml Many of the reviews of his latest novel indicate a new direction. http://www.amazon.co.uk/House-Suns-Gollancz-Alastair-Reynolds/dp/0575077174/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1217954811sr=8-1 Opinions Maru -- William T Goodall

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Aug 2008, at 15:17, Jon Louis Mann wrote: i have to wonder why you are so angry; what did religion do to you? Nothing yet - and I'd like to keep it that way. Best Defence Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. - Albert Einstein -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Aug 2008, at 20:49, Jon Louis Mann wrote: i have to wonder why you are so angry; what did religion do to you? jon Nothing yet - and I'd like to keep it that way. Best Defence Maru William T Goodall then why are you so angry? jon I'm not angry. What makes you think that? Mildly

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
that some people are nicey-nicey and sugar-candy about it doesn't make a whit of difference to that. It may be worse than the transparently wicked forms of religion because they deceive more people that way. Gilded turd Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Aug 2008, at 21:11, Jon Louis Mann wrote: I'm not angry. What makes you think that? Mildly irritated Maru William T Goodall your manner of personal attacks. i don't know anything about you so i have to base my impression of you on what you say online... jon I haven't attacked

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Aug 2008, at 21:34, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Jon Louis Mann wrote: That's the kind of hair-splitting sophistry I'd expect from a supporter of baby-killing religion. Unminced words Maru William T Goodall lighten up, william; this was a tragedy. no one here is defending what happened

Re: Compassion (was Re: Religion kills)

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Aug 2008, at 21:34, Nick Arnett wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:42 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4 Aug 2008, at 15:17, Jon Louis Mann wrote: i have to wonder why you are so angry; what did religion do to you? Nothing yet - and I'd like to keep it that way. I

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Aug 2008, at 21:59, Jon Louis Mann wrote: A subtle flaw in your reasoning is that you have to first pick a morality system by which to judge the others. Relativism Maru William T Goodall what is your morality system, william? Me. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Aug 2008, at 21:59, Wayne Eddy wrote: Seems to me that something impossible happened at least once in the history of everything. If it happened it wasn't impossible. Logic Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Aug 2008, at 21:55, Olin Elliott wrote: [snip] Amen Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Aug 2008, at 22:23, Jon Louis Mann wrote: what is your morality system, william? Me. William T Goodall so essentialy you are putting yourself on the same level as an omnipotent, benevolent, compassionate deity? No, because I actually exist :-) Important distinction Maru

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Aug 2008, at 22:31, Jon Louis Mann wrote: what do you call: That's the kind of hair-splitting sophistry I'd expect from a supporter of baby-killing religion. Unmixed words Mari William T Goodall A diagnosis? Helpful Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Aug 2008, at 22:42, Jon Louis Mann wrote: i actually agree with william about religion, except i try to be less intolerant and antagonistic. And where does that get you? Appeasement Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http

Re: The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Aug 2008, at 22:43, Wayne Eddy wrote: - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 4 Aug 2008, at 21:59, Wayne Eddy wrote: Seems to me that something impossible happened at least once in the history of everything. If it happened it wasn't impossible

Re: Top-posting...

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
by email, and follows the order in which we normally read in English. Thanks! It's not actually stated in here http://www.mccmedia.com/brin-l/etiquette.htm although it should be. Petition Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http

Re: Alastair Reynolds

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
be five years behind on that (21, 22, 23 and 24 are on the shelf). [1] It cost £13.23 inc delivery from the USA to the UK and it costs £22.50 with free delivery from Amazon.co.uk. It takes a couple of weeks longer from the USA, but I'm not in a hurry :-) Not enough hours Maru -- William T

Religion kills

2008-08-03 Thread William T Goodall
-- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-03 Thread William T Goodall
a little before blaming. That would be slightly humane. I'm not the one who supports child-killing religion you inhumane hypocrite. Monstrous Evil Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Debunking bullshit

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-03 Thread William T Goodall
the numbers killed were far smaller than in the latest incident. If it weren't for superstitious religious nonsense they wouldn't have been there in the first place. And fatal stampedes happen several times every year at religious events so ignorance isn't an excuse. Culpable Maru -- William T

Re: Genesis

2008-07-30 Thread William T Goodall
and France but well above Thailand (1.5) and South Korea (1.1). Patterns Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire

Weekly Chat Reminder

2008-07-30 Thread William T Goodall
web interface! -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up

Re: Genesis

2008-07-30 Thread William T Goodall
On 30 Jul 2008, at 19:31, Dan M wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William T Goodall Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:30 AM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: Genesis On 30 Jul 2008, at 15

Re: Genesis

2008-07-30 Thread William T Goodall
On 30 Jul 2008, at 20:41, Alberto Monteiro wrote: William T Goodall quoted: The provisional Total Fertility Rate (TFR) for 2007 gives an average of 1.91 children per woman in England and Wales. This is an increase from 1.86 in 2006 and is the sixth consecutive annual increase from a low

Amusing quiz

2008-07-28 Thread William T Goodall
http://www.infoworld.com/tools/quiz/news/2008/programmingiqtest/programming-iq-quiz-1.php Your score is 80. Of the 53 people who have completed the test so far, 2 scored higher and 51 scored the same or lower. Forgetful Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-27 Thread William T Goodall
On 27 Jul 2008, at 04:58, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 09:47 PM Saturday 7/26/2008, William T Goodall wrote: Nonsense only requires one answer. As does knee-jerk prejudice. Like the knee-jerk 'religion is not sick twisted poisonous pernicious evil filth' prejudice I encounter

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread William T Goodall
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Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread William T Goodall
, Quiverfull families are strongly inclined toward homeschooling and homesteading in a rural area. [Ibid] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread William T Goodall
On 26 Jul 2008, at 17:24, Pat Mathews wrote: Actually, that is standard Roman Catholic teaching as well. Except that a lot of American Catholics don't do it. The Catholics allow natural family planning. The quiverfulls forbid any. Lemmings Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread William T Goodall
On 27 Jul 2008, at 00:31, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 11:21 AM Saturday 7/26/2008, William T Goodall wrote: On 26 Jul 2008, at 16:49, Doug Pensinger wrote: William wrote: Is there no limit to the depraved wickedness of the religionists? What's wicked about bringing children

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread William T Goodall
of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. - Albert Einstein -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ ___ http

Happy sysadmin day!

2008-07-25 Thread William T Goodall
http://www.sysadminday.com/ -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I embraced OS X as soon as it was available and have never looked back. - Neal Stephenson

Re: Irregulars Question

2008-07-24 Thread William T Goodall
On 24 Jul 2008, at 23:04, Nick Arnett wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife's computer, running Vista, Although I'm tempted to say, Well, there's your problem... Even Windows fans avoid Vista :-) Progress Maru -- William T Goodall Mail

Weekly Chat Reminder

2008-07-23 Thread William T Goodall
web interface! -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up

Not the face of Jesus

2008-07-23 Thread William T Goodall
the circumstances there is no explanation, Dr Yakubu Dominic said. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Debunking bullshit is a thankless task. ___ http

Freebies Bonanza

2008-07-22 Thread William T Goodall
! Free! Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate. - Richard Dawkins

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