From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Fool wrote:
From: Davd Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There are many freely and easily available
compilers in many
languages so this doesn't really disturb me. I've
heard Yet Another
Basic is good (though I haven't used it
--- The Fool said: I Still don't understand why Dr.
Brin has Difficulty with Qbasic. It seems very much
like he's expressing the meme: things were better
in the past, a golden age that he himself rails
against so much.
Well now ain't that sweet. An' seein' as how it bears
no relationship
From: Davd Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- The Fool said: I Still don't understand why Dr.
Brin has Difficulty with Qbasic. It seems very much
like he's expressing the meme: things were better
in the past, a golden age that he himself rails
against so much.
Well now ain't that sweet.
These remarks are really rather amusing. You continue
to lecture at me obvious things, based on assumptions
that are false in every conceivable way.
I know very well the levels of computer understanding
possessed by my kids. I am familiar with the
technologies and fully capable of programming a
The Fool wrote:
Imagine that TV's have technology that tracks eye movements and records
the reflection in your eyes (they already have technology that can figure
out what you are looking at solely from reflections on eyes). Now
imagine that you cannot disable this big-brother device without
Final post.
From: Davd Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
These remarks are really rather amusing. You continue
to lecture at me obvious things, based on assumptions
that are false in every conceivable way.
It just seems to me that you've spent more time searching (you said
you've been looking for
--- The Fool:
It just seems to me that you've spent more time
searching (you said
you've been looking for more than two years) for the
'right' interpreter
than you say will spend 'learning' and 'using' the
interpreter.
Yes, you keep explaining to us the remarkable way that
things seem to
Davd Brin wrote:
I want to move a DOT using a simple mathematicall
algorithm. I have examples in books. Why can I not
show this to my son? It is EXACTLY what Bill Gates
and Steve Jobs and Wozniak did.
I still have at least one, possibly two, PC-8201A portable computers,
which have a BASIC
Nick Arnett wrote:
I still have at least one, possibly two, PC-8201A portable computers,
which have a BASIC implementation that was the last piece of code Bill
Gates worked on. They have 8K of memory, a four or six-line display and
you use a tape recorder to save your programs... but I think
From: Davd Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There are many freely and easily available
compilers in many
languages so this doesn't really disturb me. I've
heard Yet Another
Basic is good (though I haven't used it myself):
http://www.yabasic.de/
I shall try ybasic, thanks.
But after
The Fool wrote:
From: Davd Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There are many freely and easily available
compilers in many
languages so this doesn't really disturb me. I've
heard Yet Another
Basic is good (though I haven't used it myself):
http://www.yabasic.de/
I shall try
On Aug 12, 2004, at 2:51 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
Yeah, well, some people took to command lines, and are a lot happier
using command lines than GUIs. I realize such people are in the
minority, but if you don't understand that there is such a minority and
that they get frustrated with GUIs
At 04:51 PM Thursday 8/12/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Sort of like the car dealer who totally lost the sale with my mother
when she expressed a preference for a manual transmission (she has
never, ever, ever driven an automatic, narrowly dodging *that* bullet
last summer) and responded to her with a
On Aug 12, 2004, at 5:25 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 04:51 PM Thursday 8/12/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Sort of like the car dealer who totally lost the sale with my mother
when she expressed a preference for a manual transmission (she has
never, ever, ever driven an automatic, narrowly dodging
At 07:45 PM Thursday 8/12/04, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 12, 2004, at 5:25 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 04:51 PM Thursday 8/12/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Sort of like the car dealer who totally lost the sale with my mother
when she expressed a preference for a manual transmission (she has
never,
Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws
Imagine a world where you cannot take apart anything, or attempting to
take apart devices, open computer cases, install 3rd party replacement
parts or modifying an existing device was completely banned by greedy
corporations through technology. A kind of
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws
Imagine a world where you cannot take apart
anything, or attempting to
take apart devices, open computer cases, install 3rd
party replacement
parts or modifying an existing device was completely
banned by greedy
On Aug 11, 2004, at 1:41 PM, Davd Brin wrote:
My biggest example is the silent, unnoticed vanishing
of any programming language from personal computers.
I swear, I CANNOT GET A MACHINE WITH SIMPLE BASIC IN
ORDER TO TEACH IT TO MY SON!
It has taken 2 years, and I hope to get an old pentium
machine
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:41:13 -0700 (PDT), Davd Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But as a contrarian it is my job to ask people to step
back. In this case, The Fool needs to ponder whether
his reaction to centralized control is unique. Or
whether, in fact, the future he describes will creep
On 11 Aug 2004, at 11:56 pm, Bryon Daly wrote:
For example: most DVDs are region-encoded and
can only be played on machines from their native area.
In the UK it is very easy to buy a multi-region DVD player which will
ignore region-encoding and play any DVD. I bought one from Amazon.co.uk
last
Folks,
First of all, thanks to The Fool for scouting this -- it's an
interesting
read, and it jibes with the experience I'm having with the radio in my
Honda recently (the battery went dead due to a broken thermostat that
left the electric radiator fan running all night, now the anti-theft
radio
There are many freely and easily available
compilers in many
languages so this doesn't really disturb me. I've
heard Yet Another
Basic is good (though I haven't used it myself):
http://www.yabasic.de/
I shall try ybasic, thanks.
But after the horror of trying xbasic and qbasic and
all
In a message dated 8/11/2004 1:58:57 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I swear, I CANNOT GET A MACHINE WITH SIMPLE BASIC IN
ORDER TO TEACH IT TO MY SON!
I'm reminded of the Art Bell time travelor who had to go back in time to get
an older computer to fix the Y2K
On 12 Aug 2004, at 1:55 am, Davd Brin wrote:
There is nothing at all resembling a simple
place to write line by line code and simply typr
run.
And 'run' would come to mind for who?
I want Z=2x, x=1, print Z.
That is so obvious! Damn those computer elitists for their needless
obfuscation!
--
At 07:55 PM Wednesday 8/11/04, Davd Brin wrote:
There are many freely and easily available
compilers in many
languages so this doesn't really disturb me. I've
heard Yet Another
Basic is good (though I haven't used it myself):
http://www.yabasic.de/
I shall try ybasic, thanks.
But after
At 08:49 PM Wednesday 8/11/04, William T Goodall wrote:
On 12 Aug 2004, at 1:55 am, Davd Brin wrote:
There is nothing at all resembling a simple
place to write line by line code and simply typr
run.
And 'run' would come to mind for who?
Anyone old enough to know BASIC?
-- Ronn! :)
Earth is the
On 12 Aug 2004, at 3:20 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 08:49 PM Wednesday 8/11/04, William T Goodall wrote:
On 12 Aug 2004, at 1:55 am, Davd Brin wrote:
There is nothing at all resembling a simple
place to write line by line code and simply typr
run.
And 'run' would come to mind for who?
Anyone
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 12 Aug 2004, at 3:20 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 08:49 PM Wednesday 8/11/04, William T Goodall wrote:
On 12 Aug 2004, at 1:55 am, Davd Brin wrote:
There is nothing at all resembling a simple
place to write line by line code and simply
The Fool wrote:
I used AppleBasic on Apple II's and gwBasic on DOS 3 when I was younger.
And I'm one of the youngest members of brin-l. I even took a class in
applebasic in the seventh grade. I know run.
Am I the only one flashing on And you are no Jack Kennedy?
Julia
whose
At 11:13 PM Wednesday 8/11/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
The Fool wrote:
I used AppleBasic on Apple II's and gwBasic on DOS 3 when I was younger.
And I'm one of the youngest members of brin-l. I even took a class in
applebasic in the seventh grade. I know run.
Am I the only one flashing on And
Alas, qbasic and xbasic were incomprehensible. In
trying to 'modernize', they made it impossible to
figure out how to type a few lines and run them to see
what happens.
Ybasic has a friendly-looking intro page. (Thanks).
I shall look it over soon.
meanwhile, everybody thrive. And visit
From: Davd Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alas, qbasic and xbasic were incomprehensible. In
trying to 'modernize', they made it impossible to
figure out how to type a few lines and run them to see
what happens.
Not really qbasic works very similarly to gwbasic. The main difference
is that they
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