Re: Free will and physics

2003-07-19 Thread Dan Minette
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:19:43PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: As a useful fiction to persuade people, certainly (actually persuade assumes free will, If you say so. Of course, that is a meaningless statement. But, ought is rather meaningless without free will. That's okay. Free will is

Re: Free will and physics

2003-07-19 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 04:47:12PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Morality is about ought. This leads one to conclude that, since morality is meaningless without ought, morality is rather meaningless. No, that does not follow. Rules govern a system. They have meaning in that system. Free will, as

Re: Free will and physics

2003-07-06 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:02:26PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 07:46:46PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: At some level, yes. But all moralities aren't created equal. Some are clearly better than others, in that some will almost surely

Free will and physics

2003-07-05 Thread Dan Minette
We've had this discussion before -- the concept of free-will as you use it is just as useless a concept as god. But morality, as I've argued above, is quite useful in progressing towards goals. As a useful fiction to persuade people, certainly (actually persuade assumes free will, the uttering