Re: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-07 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 05:17:26PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: I'd rather have the perp easily arrestable, if possible. How about, zip ties and *then* run? I'll bet a lot of people would have trouble getting zip ties securely on a twitching, big, scary intruder in a highly stressful

Re: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-07 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 05:17:26PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: I'd rather have the perp easily arrestable, if possible. How about, zip ties and *then* run? I'll bet a lot of people would have trouble getting zip ties securely on a twitching, big, scary intruder in

Re: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-07 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 03:28 AM 6/7/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 05:17:26PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: I'd rather have the perp easily arrestable, if possible. How about, zip ties and *then* run? I'll bet a lot of people would have trouble getting zip ties securely on a twitching, big,

RE: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-06 Thread Horn, John
From: Andrew Crystall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isn't that the (potential) problem? You might be coherent enough to grab your gun and move. But would you be coherent enough to recognize that this wasn't a fight or flight situation? I'm using a blade, remember. And I keep it OUT

RE: Br?n: Br?n 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-06 Thread Chad Cooper
The Top 10 includes New York, Maryland, Illinois, and Michigan. Maryland is especially notable since its gun control laws are quite strict. Of course, bordering DC - with the toughest gun laws and the highest murder rate doesn't help. Boy, imagine what it would be if it did have liberal

Re: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Jan Coffey wrote: --- Chad Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one here has mentioned non-lethal weapons. That's becouse if someone invades you home and you taze them they can bring civil suits against you for decades. Depends on the state. If I tazed someone in my house, I could

Re: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-06 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 02:41:44PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Bryon Daly wrote: I wonder if 15 minutes is long enough in all cases 2 words: Zip ties. 1 word: Run! You don't have to stay in the house. You can go to a neighbor's, drive away in your

Re: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 02:41:44PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Bryon Daly wrote: I wonder if 15 minutes is long enough in all cases 2 words: Zip ties. 1 word: Run! You don't have to stay in the house. You can go to a neighbor's, drive away in your car,

RE: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-05 Thread Horn, John
From: Andrew Crystall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I was working on pure reflex. ACT. When shit happens enough times you pick that one up. Not something I'm especially proud of... Isn't that the (potential) problem? You might be coherent enough to grab your gun and move. But would you be

RE: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-05 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 4 Jun 2003 at 14:52, Horn, John wrote: From: Andrew Crystall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I was working on pure reflex. ACT. When shit happens enough times you pick that one up. Not something I'm especially proud of... Isn't that the (potential) problem? You might be coherent enough

Re: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-03 Thread Julia Thompson
Andrew Crystall wrote: A gun is the wrong weapon in any case then. If you shoot someone with a handgun, you are VERY unlikely to take them down before then can fire back if THEY have a gun pointed at you. The RIGHT weapon to have handy, and I do, is a blade. You'll cause much greater

Re: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-03 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 04:00:18PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: who is still coming to terms with the whole thing, pun intended? No, but nice it worked out that way. :) Thanks for pointing it out, I totally missed it. Julia Missed that, along with half my

Re: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 1 Jun 2003 at 14:40, Jan Coffey wrote: --- Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone facing me pulls out a knife, unless they're trained with it, it's more dangerous to them than to me. A gun is a different story - any idiot can be dangerous with a gun. That isn't the same

Re: Br¡n: Br¡n 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-01 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:41 PM 5/31/03 +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote: d.brin wrote: He said the oversight was a lesson about unforeseen tools being used. No. The lesson is to let all passenger KEEP their pocket knives. thanks for showing this. I don't think this is what is likely to happen. There are strong calls