Long wait (was Re: The First Event)

2008-08-06 Thread William T Goodall
On 5 Aug 2008, at 22:57, David Hobby wrote: Hi. My name is David, and I read Peter F. Hamilton... I'm not sure why, but I read all of the last series, as well as Dreaming Void. I somehow remember that DV was the start of a trilogy, in which case it's a long wait. (On the plus side, it

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/08/2008, at 9:35 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: sounds like peter hamilton's new trilogy http://www.peterfhamilton.co.uk/index.php?page=Void_Trilogy what is de Sitter vs. anti-de Sitter universe? Which I've not yet read, even though I quite like Hamilton. I own a copy of Dreaming Void, but

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Jon Louis Mann wrote: who was it that postulated that reality is an illusion? Someone before Descartes. someone else suggested that we all exist in cyberspace? jon In that time, it was not cyberspace but demonspace. Just a matter of names. Alberto Monteiro

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Julia Thompson
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Jon Louis Mann wrote: who was it that postulated that reality is an illusion? Someone before Descartes. Are we talking Plato's cave here, or something later? Julia ___

RE: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Curtis Burisch
Reality is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so. -- Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julia Thompson Sent: 05 August 2008 14:43 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: The First Event On Tue, 5 Aug 2008

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/08/2008, at 11:14 PM, Curtis Burisch wrote: Reality is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so. Sorry: Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so. If you want to be precise. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

RE: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Curtis Burisch
My apologies -- an imperfect memory serves me imperfectly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Bell Sent: 05 August 2008 16:25 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: The First Event On 05/08/2008, at 11:14 PM

RE: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Julia Thompson
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, Curtis Burisch wrote: My apologies -- an imperfect memory serves me imperfectly. It gives creativity more wiggle room, though. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
From: Curtis Burisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reality is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so. -- Douglas Adams Jon Louis Mann wrote: who was it that postulated that reality is an illusion? Alberto Monteiro wrote: Someone before Descartes. Are we talking Plato's cave here, or something

The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Jon Louis Mann wrote: sounds like peter hamilton's new trilogy http://www.peterfhamilton.co.uk/index.php?page=Void_Trilogy Which I've not yet read, even though I quite like Hamilton. I own a copy of Dreaming Void, but it's on a ship somewhere between the UK and Oz right now.

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Nick Arnett
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: From: Curtis Burisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reality is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so. -- Douglas Adams Jon Louis Mann wrote: who was it that postulated that reality is an illusion? Alberto Monteiro wrote:

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Julia Thompson wrote: who was it that postulated that reality is an illusion? Someone before Descartes. Are we talking Plato's cave here, or something later? Plato's cave was one, but probably the idea had come to someone before Plato. Alberto Monteiro

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread David Hobby
Jon Louis Mann wrote: Jon Louis Mann wrote: sounds like peter hamilton's new trilogy http://www.peterfhamilton.co.uk/index.php?page=Void_Trilogy Which I've not yet read, even though I quite like Hamilton. I own a copy of Dreaming Void, but it's on a ship somewhere between the UK and

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 04:57 PM Tuesday 8/5/2008, David Hobby wrote: Jon Louis Mann wrote: Jon Louis Mann wrote: sounds like peter hamilton's new trilogy http://www.peterfhamilton.co.uk/index.php?page=Void_Trilogy Which I've not yet read, even though I quite like Hamilton. I own a copy of Dreaming

The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread Wayne Eddy
I'd love to hear everyones thoughts on the original impossible event that created everything. Whether it be; mass being created in the Big Bang from nothing, God appearing from nowhere,. branes forming out over nowhere and later colliding to cause the big bang, or the original multiverse 100

Re: The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Aug 2008, at 21:59, Wayne Eddy wrote: Seems to me that something impossible happened at least once in the history of everything. If it happened it wasn't impossible. Logic Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog :

Re: The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread Olin Elliott
What's wrong with saying I don't know and continuing to explore. Olin - Original Message - From: Wayne Eddymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:59 PM Subject: The First Event I'd

Re: The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread Wayne Eddy
- Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:07 AM Subject: Re: The First Event On 4 Aug 2008, at 21:59, Wayne Eddy wrote: Seems to me that something impossible

Re: The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread David Hobby
Wayne Eddy wrote: I'd love to hear everyones thoughts on the original impossible event that created everything. Whether it be; mass being created in the Big Bang from nothing, God appearing from nowhere,. branes forming out over nowhere and later colliding to cause the big bang, or the

Re: The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Aug 2008, at 22:43, Wayne Eddy wrote: - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 4 Aug 2008, at 21:59, Wayne Eddy wrote: Seems to me that something impossible happened at least once in the history of everything. If it happened it wasn't impossible.

Re: The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread Olin Elliott
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Re: The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread Julia Thompson
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, Wayne Eddy wrote: - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:07 AM Subject: Re: The First Event On 4 Aug 2008, at 21:59, Wayne Eddy wrote

Re: The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/08/2008, at 6:59 AM, Wayne Eddy wrote: Seems to me that something impossible happened at least once in the history of everything. It happened, so it's possible. As we only have one sample, we have only speculation as to how improbable it was (and that goes for both the formation

The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Seems to me that something impossible happened at least once in the history of everything. Wayne-- Hi. My guess is that we're looking at it wrong, and that the right explanation is expressed in a totally different way. To start, suppose we postulate that there are different levels

Re: The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread Bruce Bostwick
There's a good chance we're living inside a black hole that was originally in another universe before whatever it was exploded and dropped out of spacetime. Which makes it sort of a chicken/egg problem, but at least it makes a case for de Sitter vs. anti-de Sitter universe .. :) On Aug 4,

Re: The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread Bruce Bostwick
we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. -- J.B.S. Haldane - Original Message - From: Wayne Eddymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 2:43 PM Subject: Re: The First Event

Re: The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread Bruce Bostwick
, at 4:59 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, Wayne Eddy wrote: - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:07 AM Subject: Re: The First Event On 4 Aug 2008

The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Bruce Bostwick wrote: There's a good chance we're living inside a black hole that was originally in another universe before whatever it was exploded and dropped out of spacetime. Which makes it sort of a chicken/egg problem, but at least it makes a case for de Sitter vs. anti-de

The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread Jon Louis Mann
It happened, so it's possible. As we only have one sample, we have only speculation as to how improbable it was (and that goes for both the formation of the universe and abiogenesis). What we don't have is any reason at all, in this day and age, to give up looking for answers, which

Re: The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 07:05 PM Monday 8/4/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote: It happened, so it's possible. As we only have one sample, we have only speculation as to how improbable it was (and that goes for both the formation of the universe and abiogenesis). What we don't have is any reason at all, in this