Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like anecdotal evidence to me. So much for well-reasoned Yes, those are anecdotal, of course. But did we forget the wee matter of 155 Senate votes on veterans issues since 9/11? Or is that just 155 anecdotes?

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 27/10/2006, at 9:48 PM, jdiebremse wrote: So, in other words, the Republicans increased their budget from $6.5 million in 2001 to $12.7 million (2001 dollars) in FY 2006. Close to DOUBLED it in five years in *inflation-adjusted* terms. ...and the budget for 2007 is back to 7M, which

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-27 Thread Nick Arnett
On 10/27/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that its very easy for you to believe that Republicans are cold-hearted monsters - but demonisation of your opponents is rarely true. I don't know what the specific answer is in this case, but I suspect that the above questions are

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-27 Thread Nick Arnett
On 10/27/06, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and the budget for 2007 is back to 7M, which would be 6.35M in 2001 dollars. So a very modest cut in real terms from the 2001 levels. I'd have to say John's points on questions of how much it was using, what it has used it for, and how

RE: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-27 Thread Dan Minette
How do you spin the shifting of a big chunk of the VA budget onto the veterans through increased fees, copayments, etc.? The increases are far, far more than inflation would account for. There is no change in how the money is spent, only who it is collected from. How do you justify that?

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-27 Thread Nick Arnett
On 10/27/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick, it's not really that simple. My dad and uncles were vets, and I grew up with their views of the VA. Ending up in a VA hospital was considered a very bad thing at the time. The VA administration was considered as a last resort. How

RE: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-27 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Arnett Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 10:58 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Who REALLY supports the troops On 10/27/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick, it's

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-27 Thread Nick Arnett
On 10/27/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, we really need to look under the numbers quoted by an advocate. If veterans chose the VA system for maintenance, but chose other hospitals for high cost options, such as long stays in intensive care, then even a very inefficient VA will,

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-26 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further proof that you can make Congressional voting records say *anything*. Nothing like a well-reasoned refutation. Before you totally dismissed this, did you try Googling something like republicans support veterans to see

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-26 Thread Nick Arnett
On 10/26/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like anecdotal evidence to me. So much for well-reasoned Yes, those are anecdotal, of course. But did we forget the wee matter of 155 Senate votes on veterans issues since 9/11? Or is that just 155 anecdotes? Oh, then then's

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-25 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America analyzed Senate voting records to see who really supports veterans -- 155 votes since 9/11. The results might surprise you if you imagined that the party that took us into these wars is

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-25 Thread Nick Arnett
On 10/25/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further proof that you can make Congressional voting records say *anything*. Nothing like a well-reasoned refutation. Before you totally dismissed this, did you try Googling something like republicans support veterans to see what you get?

Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-24 Thread Nick Arnett
Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America analyzed Senate voting records to see who really supports veterans -- 155 votes since 9/11. The results might surprise you if you imagined that the party that took us into these wars is the one that supports veterans.

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-24 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 24, 2006, at 1:06 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America analyzed Senate voting records to see who really supports veterans -- 155 votes since 9/11. The results might surprise you if you imagined that the party that took us into these wars is the one that

RE: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-24 Thread Jim Sharkey
Nick Arnett wrote: Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America analyzed Senate voting records to see who really supports veterans -- 155 votes since 9/11. http://www.veteransforamerica.org/index.cfm/Page/Article/ID/8535 No Republican scored better than a 'C' and no Democrat scored worse than a