Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-27 Thread William T Goodall
On 27 Jul 2008, at 04:58, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 09:47 PM Saturday 7/26/2008, William T Goodall wrote: Nonsense only requires one answer. As does knee-jerk prejudice. Like the knee-jerk 'religion is not sick twisted poisonous pernicious evil filth' prejudice I encounter on this

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-27 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 06:33 AM Sunday 7/27/2008, William T Goodall wrote: On 27 Jul 2008, at 04:58, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 09:47 PM Saturday 7/26/2008, William T Goodall wrote: Nonsense only requires one answer. As does knee-jerk prejudice. Like the knee-jerk 'religion is not sick twisted

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread William T Goodall
On 26 Jul 2008, at 03:25, Bruce Bostwick wrote: There's one particular domestic religious movement here in this country that is presently doing exactly that. It's probably not the first one most people might think. Google quiverfull for more info, the first half dozen hits will tell you a

memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Jon Louis Mann
i would hope that genetic modification is in the forecast (as long as we keep a pool of wild humans). jon You don't find the thought of virtually immortal genetically enhanced humans keeping a pool of wild humans is somewhat inhumane? Regards, Wayne. there are many reasons for

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Doug Pensinger
William wrote: Is there no limit to the depraved wickedness of the religionists? What's wicked about bringing children into the world that you have the resources to support and nurture? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Jul 26, 2008, at 6:56 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 26 Jul 2008, at 03:25, Bruce Bostwick wrote: There's one particular domestic religious movement here in this country that is presently doing exactly that. It's probably not the first one most people might think. Google quiverfull for

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Jul 26, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote: William wrote: Is there no limit to the depraved wickedness of the religionists? What's wicked about bringing children into the world that you have the resources to support and nurture? Doug If that were their motivation, I'd

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread William T Goodall
On 26 Jul 2008, at 16:49, Doug Pensinger wrote: William wrote: Is there no limit to the depraved wickedness of the religionists? What's wicked about bringing children into the world that you have the resources to support and nurture? The quiverfull beliefs are vile and perverted.

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Doug Pensinger
Bruce If that were their motivation, I'd agree. But at 8-10 or more per family, and with the fundamentalist neopentecostal homeschooling those kids receive, they'll be able to elect their own theocrats to office at virtually every level of our government in about 30-40 more years or so.

RE: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Pat Mathews
Actually, that is standard Roman Catholic teaching as well. Except that a lot of American Catholics don't do it. http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: memes, or genes... Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:55:02 -0500 On Jul 26, 2008

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Julia Thompson
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008, Doug Pensinger wrote: What we really need is for responsible, intelligent, enlightened people to stop making excuses for _not_ having children. Would you consider some excuses to be reasonable? And, if responsible, enlightened people are having children, at what point

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Nick Arnett
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one particular domestic religious movement here in this country that is presently doing exactly that. It's probably not the first one most people might think. Google quiverfull for more info, the first half

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread William T Goodall
On 26 Jul 2008, at 17:24, Pat Mathews wrote: Actually, that is standard Roman Catholic teaching as well. Except that a lot of American Catholics don't do it. The Catholics allow natural family planning. The quiverfulls forbid any. Lemmings Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Dave Land
On Jul 25, 2008, at 1:45 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote: From: Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] what parts of the population are doing their best to outbreed everyone else, and why? it seems to me that less developed countries are the culprits, partly because children are a source of labor... i

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia wrote: Would you consider some excuses to be reasonable? Of course. The one I think is lame, though, is that they are somehow saving the planet by deciding not to have children. And, if responsible, enlightened people are having children, at what point do they get to decide how

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Wayne Eddy
- Original Message - From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:23 AM Subject: Re: memes, or genes... On Jul 25, 2008, at 1:45 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote: From: Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] what

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Julia Thompson
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008, Doug Pensinger wrote: Julia wrote: Would you consider some excuses to be reasonable? Of course. The one I think is lame, though, is that they are somehow saving the planet by deciding not to have children. And, if responsible, enlightened people are having

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 11:21 AM Saturday 7/26/2008, William T Goodall wrote: On 26 Jul 2008, at 16:49, Doug Pensinger wrote: William wrote: Is there no limit to the depraved wickedness of the religionists? What's wicked about bringing children into the world that you have the resources to support

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 04:05 PM Saturday 7/26/2008, Wayne Eddy wrote: I get annoyed with people who think that mankind is a blight on the world and that the world would be a better place if homo sapiens dies out or civilisation totally collapses. That makes at least two of us. . . . ronn! :)

memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Jon Louis Mann
You quoted the beliefs, but you failed to explain why the beliefs described in each quote are perverted. I presume you think the answer is self-evident, but for those of us dummies with IQs that fall slightly under 200 would you mind addressing each quote individually with the

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 07:17 PM Saturday 7/26/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote: You quoted the beliefs, but you failed to explain why the beliefs described in each quote are perverted. I presume you think the answer is self-evident, but for those of us dummies with IQs that fall slightly under 200 would you

memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Jon Louis Mann
One way to win an argument is to nit pick your opponent to death. My I.Q. is closer to 100 than 200, and I get it, Ronn. Jon Oh, I get it, all right. William is a very intelligent person with some interesting things to say on many topics, but he has a knee-jerk one-note answer when

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Jul 26, 2008, at 7:26 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 07:17 PM Saturday 7/26/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote: You quoted the beliefs, but you failed to explain why the beliefs described in each quote are perverted. I presume you think the answer is self-evident, but for those of us dummies

memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Actually I was thinking more along the lines of evil or reprehensible. The post didn't say anything about gene banks, it talked about keeping wild humans. I get annoyed with people who think that mankind is a blight on the world and that the world would be a better place if homo sapiens

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Julia Thompson
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote: if parents don't make that choice we won't become post human. the best time to fiddle with genes is in the womb, or before, not after. if some decide not to meddle, and only procreate as wild humans, that is their choice. i expect they will

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread William T Goodall
On 27 Jul 2008, at 00:31, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 11:21 AM Saturday 7/26/2008, William T Goodall wrote: On 26 Jul 2008, at 16:49, Doug Pensinger wrote: William wrote: Is there no limit to the depraved wickedness of the religionists? What's wicked about bringing children into the

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread William T Goodall
On 27 Jul 2008, at 01:26, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 07:17 PM Saturday 7/26/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote: You quoted the beliefs, but you failed to explain why the beliefs described in each quote are perverted. I presume you think the answer is self-evident, but for those of us dummies

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 07:48 PM Saturday 7/26/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote: One way to win an argument is to nit pick your opponent to death. My I.Q. is closer to 100 than 200, and I get it, Ronn. Jon Oh, I get it, all right. William is a very intelligent person with some interesting things to say on

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-26 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 09:47 PM Saturday 7/26/2008, William T Goodall wrote: Nonsense only requires one answer. As does knee-jerk prejudice. . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

memes, or genes...

2008-07-25 Thread Jon Louis Mann
hkhenson wrote: And there are certain parts of the population doing their best to outbreed everyone else just to skew future demographics. So it's likely to be a hard crash, and not a very well controlled one at that. This would worry me more except I think the age of genes is

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-25 Thread Nick Arnett
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what parts of the population are doing their best to outbreed everyone else, and why? it seems to me that less developed countries are the culprits, partly because children are a source of labor... And children

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-25 Thread Charlie Bell
On 26/07/2008, at 5:59 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what parts of the population are doing their best to outbreed everyone else, and why? it seems to me that less developed countries are the culprits, partly

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-25 Thread Julia Thompson
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008, Charlie Bell wrote: On 26/07/2008, at 5:59 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what parts of the population are doing their best to outbreed everyone else, and why? it seems to me that less developed

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-25 Thread Charlie Bell
On 26/07/2008, at 10:19 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: And children *are* social security for many people of the world. Or lunch. How Swiftly you come to that conclusion. Very good! :) C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-25 Thread Wayne Eddy
- Original Message - From: Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 5:57 AM Subject: memes, or genes... what parts of the population are doing their best to outbreed everyone else, and why

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-25 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Jul 25, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: hkhenson wrote: And there are certain parts of the population doing their best to outbreed everyone else just to skew future demographics. So it's likely to be a hard crash, and not a very well controlled one at that. This would worry