Re: war

2002-10-21 Thread Steve Sloan II
J. van Baardwijk wrote: As for your criticism of certain members of the UNSC: the United States itself does not exactly have a spotless record either, so maybe you should worry about your own country's behaviour first, before complaining about the behaviour of other members. The US is no

Re: Question for everyone

2002-10-21 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: RE: Question for everyone No, but given his behaviour it would not be a bad idea for him to start looking for such advice. Sigh, let me put this

RE: Question for everyone

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 09:10 21-10-2002 +0530, Ritu Ko wrote: So, why do I still believe we *can* move that mountain? Must be because of my eternal optimism. Optimism is well and good, but the mountain has to *want* to move before it can be moved. I am an optimist myself, but I am beginning to realise that yours

Re: Minutiae (was Re: br!n: war)

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 01:11 21-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: Come on, John! If you have the courage to go on record as saying that the EU is completely mistrusted by the European citizenry, you should also have the courage to back that claim. Put up or retract. Hey Nick, do I get a point in the predictions

Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!)

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 16:53 20-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have. It is certainly better than having one country throwing its cherished principles of democracy overboard and then unilaterally decide to drag the Middle East into another war. Which principle of

Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!)

2002-10-21 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!) At 16:53 20-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have. It is certainly better than

Re: Jijo photography question.

2002-10-21 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without going back to rereading all of Brightness Reef, does anyone have the page numbers to all references to the plates and photography used on Jijo? We have people doing timelines and aliens, but is there a bibliography of technology? I tried to do one for

Re: Question for everyone

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 14:35 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: No, but given his behaviour it would not be a bad idea for him to start looking for such advice. Sigh, let me put this bluntly, since you tend to ignore things that are subtle. I realize that this is a YMMV issue, but personally, I will rejoice

Re: the UN

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 13:33 21-10-2002 -0700, John Giorgis wrote: It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have. It is certainly better than having one country throwing its cherished principles of democracy overboard and then unilaterally decide to drag the Middle East into another war. Which principle of

re: Question for everyone

2002-10-21 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Jeroen wrote: Looks like you, just like Giorgis, are not really reading my posts. As I said earlier: Worse yet, you have now turned the statement into a factually incorrect one. People like JDG can behave like huge assholes while receiving little or no criticism for it, but I get criticised

RE: Getting silly Re: brin: war

2002-10-21 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Ritu Ko wrote: Ronn Blankenship wrote: Snorting Coke, or Pepsi, or Sprite (which is the one I have the most experience with) is much more pleasant in comparison. Done voluntarily, I suppose it would clean out your sinuses . . . Well, warm water is better for that - in one

re: Question for everyone

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 14:07 21-10-2002 -0700, Adam Lipscomb wrote: What makes you think John will change his behavior? There is absolutely NOTHING that makes me think he will change his behaviour (at least, not change it in a *positive* way). As I have said before, hell will freeze over before *that* will

Re: The UN

2002-10-21 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: J.D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:20 PM Subject: Re: The UN Jeroen wrote: Come on now! While most of the world gives credibility to the UN, you claim as Absolute Truth that the UN is a discredited body.

RE: Corporate Rule (was Re: N. Korea Says Has Nukes)

2002-10-21 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Kevin Tarr wrote: snip I think in Rochester, NY there was a great streetcar line that was ground down by the bus company. How many threads have I seen here and culture that raised the issue of people 'needing' a car? OTOH we have to look at what we can do now. Baltimore has a great

Re: Jijo photography question.

2002-10-21 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 10/21/2002 1:50:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It could be manageable if the work were broken up. I bet that a lot of us have the US paperback edition; if we had 10 people willing to each do an assigned chunk of it, we could get it done in a

Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!)

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 15:30 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have. It is certainly better than having one country throwing its cherished principles of democracy overboard and then unilaterally decide to drag the Middle East into another war. Which

Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 15:30 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have. It is certainly better than having one country throwing its cherished principles of democracy overboard and then unilaterally decide to drag the Middle East into another war. Which

Labels (Was Re: brin: war)

2002-10-21 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Adam C. Lipscomb wrote: snip I always thought a merkin was a pubic wig, which is why I resent the term. http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=merkin mer·kin Pronunciation Key (mûrkn) n. A pubic wig for women. So maybe we could find another slang term for Americans? Please? I

re: Question for everyone

2002-10-21 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Jeroen wrote: At 14:07 21-10-2002 -0700, Adam Lipscomb wrote: What makes you think John will change his behavior? There is absolutely NOTHING that makes me think he will change his behaviour (at least, not change it in a *positive* way). As I have said before, hell will freeze over before *that*

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

2002-10-21 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:52 PM Subject: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!)) At 15:30 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have. It is

RE: Low-Carb Diet

2002-10-21 Thread Gary Nunn
One example of a LCHP diet is the Atkins Diet, which first gained popularity during the 1970s. Limited evidence suggests it may help people lose weight, but many experts remain concerned about the long-term health Limited evidence is my favorite part of this kind of propaganda. Thirty years

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 17:21 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Jeroen Have it on my desk by 08:00 tomorrow van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com Well, I'll go in where wiser folks fear

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

2002-10-21 Thread Dan Minette
Out of curiosity, why do you keep on twisting meanings, even when you don't have to? I do not see this as twisting meanings. Apparently I use a different definition of democracy than you do. But then, the definition the majority decides is the everyday definition that gets taught in schools

Re: Jijo photography question.

2002-10-21 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Julia wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without going back to rereading all of Brightness Reef, does anyone have the page numbers to all references to the plates and photography used on Jijo? We have people doing timelines and aliens, but is there a bibliography of technology?

Genesis (Was Re: Evolution vs. Creation)

2002-10-21 Thread Deborah Harrell
Nice thread creep, by-the-bye! :) --- Reggie Bautista wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: That was a really good concert, BTW - when they played 'Driving The Last Spike' (well, I _think_ that's the title! :D) the entire stadium was vibrating. In fact, that album (OK - CD) is one of my

Re: Elections

2002-10-21 Thread Russell Chapman
Kevin Tarr wrote: Can anyone see a three or four party system? Could the Libs get a strong foothold in the some states, start to become a real voice? We got out first Green member in the House of Representatives (eq. to Congress) this week. Minor parties have been getting into the Senate for

Re: Genesis (Was Re: Evolution vs. Creation)

2002-10-21 Thread Julia Thompson
Anyone else notice the irony in the subject line? :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

testing

2002-10-21 Thread Kevin Tarr
testing ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Elections

2002-10-21 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Kevin wrote: (mind the snippage) Today there were two gems, candidates from the Green party and the Libertarian. The Green was clearly unpolished, he spent 75% of the time telling his personal history, and then just said what was wrong, no solutions. He finished by saying that ten people

Re: The UN

2002-10-21 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: RE: The UN Jeroen wrote: Come on now! While most of the world gives credibility to the UN, you claim as Absolute Truth that the UN is a discredited body.

Re: Jijo photography question.

2002-10-21 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 10/21/2002 4:01:17 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We have people doing timelines and aliens, but is there a bibliography of technology? I tried to do one for Piper's Federation / Empire. I know how much work that'd be. It could be

Re: Question for everyone

2002-10-21 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Jeroen wrote: At 15:06 21-10-2002 -0700, Adam Lipscomb wrote: So, to paraphrase and extrapolate, you're not actually engaging in this discussion with the intent of changing John's behavior? If that is the case, may I respectfully ask why you're doing it? If it is not the case, could you

Re: test

2002-10-21 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 10/21/2002 5:21:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: test 4 out of 10 for originality. And it was supposed to be multiple choice. Vilyehm Teighlore ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Question for everyone

2002-10-21 Thread Reggie Bautista
Adam wrote: There's a colloquialism that comes to mind: Insanity: Doing the exact same thing over and over again, and expecting different results. Some would say this definition works for troubleshooting as well :-) Reggie Bautista -- who troubleshoots for a living...

Re: Jijo photography question.

2002-10-21 Thread Reggie Bautista
William Taylor wrote: I also have a question about Buyur lunar caches, but I cant assume everyone has read Temptation. I haven't yet, but feel free to post the question; just put a spoiler warning in the subject, and nobody will get hurt ;-) Reggie Bautista

Re: dioxins

2002-10-21 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- The Fool wrote: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/story.jsp?story=344178 Gender-bending risk to children By Geoffrey Lean Environmental Editor / 20 October 2002 Minute amounts of ''gender bender'' chemicals found in food and the environment are affecting the behaviour of

Animal Laughter

2002-10-21 Thread Deborah Harrell
http://www.lightwatcher.com/animaltalk/dogs_last_laugh.html ...Professor Robert R Provine also notes instances of perceived laughter in chimpanzees in his book Laughter: A Scientific Investigation. While studying the origins of the human laugh, Provine spent time tickling and playing with young

Re: The UN

2002-10-21 Thread Kevin Tarr
Jeroen wrote: Come on now! While most of the world gives credibility to the UN, you claim as Absolute Truth that the UN is a discredited body. Unfortunately, the UN has no real teeth. They make resolutions and fail to follow-up when the resolution is ignored. The original weapons

Temptation, Re: Jijo photography question.

2002-10-21 Thread Medievalbk
Temptation leaves more questions than answers. The full text is on Dr. Brin's website, but it may not be enjoyable reading it. I have yet to figure out a way of balancing a monitor on my chest while lying in bed. William Taylor ___

Re: brin: war

2002-10-21 Thread d.brin
At 17:06 20-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: You asked me to answer, Why do European conutries continue to insist on UN support if they consider the UN to be a discredited organization? If I respond to that question, with the statement: The Europeans don't believe that the UN is discredited

Re: Question for everyone

2002-10-21 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Reggie wrote: Adam wrote: There's a colloquialism that comes to mind: Insanity: Doing the exact same thing over and over again, and expecting different results. Some would say this definition works for troubleshooting as well :-) Reggie Bautista -- who troubleshoots for a living... Been

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

2002-10-21 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:52 PM 10/21/2002 +0200 J. van Baardwijk wrote: That depends on how you define democracy. When you use its literal meaning (the people decide), then the UN is indeed not a democracy. When you use the word in the way it is more commonly used, however (the majority decides), then the UN *is*

Jeroen Re: the UN

2002-10-21 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:08 PM 10/21/2002 +0200 J. van Baardwijk wrote: Surely you should have no problem whatsoever figuring out what I mean! Haven't you previously argued that I *never* understand what you mean? Or more accurately, do you have any evidence that I ever understand what you mean? JDG

Re: war

2002-10-21 Thread John D. Giorgis
brin: subject header deleted per request.. At 09:28 PM 10/21/2002 +0200 J. van Baardwijk wrote: THE QUESTION: Why would countries (European and other) insist on UN support if they would consider the UN to be a discredited body? THE ANSWER (as it should have come from JDG): Indeed, Jeroen,

Re: Low-Carb Diet

2002-10-21 Thread Steve Sloan II
The Fool wrote: So why did a seemingly unhealthy diet not affect indicators of cardiovascular risk? In an interview with Reuters Health, Brehm suggested that the benefits of losing more weight may offset the disadvantages associated with high fat and cholesterol. Perhaps it's weight loss

Re: DogWag and Nirb

2002-10-21 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 10/21/2002 6:12:39 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's start fresh when we see whether the blatant (there can be no other logical reason) attempted DogWag works or not. There. I didn't use Brin in the subject line. I'm beginning to believe that

Re: Indonesia: Conspiracy Theorists Blame U.S. Agents For Bali Blasts

2002-10-21 Thread Russell Chapman
The Fool quoted: Jones says the popularity of the view reflects deep-seated resentment against the United States: The U.S. is seen as having put extreme pressure on the Indonesian government to go after Muslim targets. And that has been resented not just by the extremist Muslim groups in

Brin: The Future of the World Re: brin: war

2002-10-21 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 12:55 PM 10/20/2002 -0700 d.brin wrote: Again I ask, do you envision Planet Earth still being divided into completely separate sovereign nations with capricious right-of-war and subject to no overall legal authority, say, 1,000 years from now? When you squint at our future, sending starships

Where else?!

2002-10-21 Thread Ronn Blankenship
Apparently there are other locations, but only the Utah location was mentioned in the story that was just on our local 10 pm news: http://www.fetal-fotos.com/ --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry

Re: Labels (Was Re: brin: war)

2002-10-21 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 04:58 PM 10/21/02, Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Adam C. Lipscomb wrote: snip I always thought a merkin was a pubic wig, which is why I resent the term. http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=merkin mer·kin Pronunciation Key (mûrkn) n. A pubic wig for women. So maybe we could find another

re: Question for everyone

2002-10-21 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 04:07 PM 10/21/02, Adam C. Lipscomb wrote: He's not the only one guilty of that on this list, and you might think upon the Bible verse Luke 4:23: And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here

Re: A request from the Dr.

2002-10-21 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 10/21/2002 6:12:39 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NOW... may I ask that people please remove Brin: from the current set of subject lines? and we get: Subj:Brin: The Future of the World Re: brin: war That's only two Brins. I can do better.

Re: Brin: The Future of the World Re: brin: war

2002-10-21 Thread d.brin
This below is truly amazing, John. You cling to the notion of a future situation as absolutely similar to our present situation as you can possibly craft. You want the future to be 2002 but a little nicer, a little more americanized. You need, desperately need to recognize how your own

Re: A request from the Dr.

2002-10-21 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:54 PM 10/21/2002 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/21/2002 6:12:39 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NOW... may I ask that people please remove Brin: from the current set of subject lines? and we get: Subj:Brin: The Future of the World Re:

Re: Low-Carb Diet

2002-10-21 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- The Fool wrote: http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=healthnewsStoryID=1608044 Low-Carb Diet Deemed Safe over Short Term October 21, 2002 01:42 PM ET By Alison McCook PHILADELPHIA (Reuters Health) - People who follow a low-carbohydrate, high-protein diet for 6 months

World government in 50 years

2002-10-21 Thread Dan Minette
I'm taking brin out at his request. I've been meaning to answer this for some time, and I sorta waited to late to get a response from the author. But, better late then never, I guess. - Original Message - From: d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002

Re: fundamentalist religion vs free speech

2002-10-21 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- The Fool wrote: http://www.hinduonnet.com/stories/2002102203771500.htm Mr. Amis was dubbed as the latest recruit to the Islam-bashing'' circle of western writers for telling The Times in an interview that the key to radical Islam is that it is quivering with male insecurity'' and that it

Re: World government in 50 years

2002-10-21 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 10/21/2002 10:14:07 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But, I argue for much more than that. I think it is very unlikely that a a world govement would form within 50 years. I've already given my first arguement: it is rare that 4000+ years of history

Re: Low-Carb Diet

2002-10-21 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Deborah Harrell wrote: snip 3] Another diet guru (the name escapes me at the moment) advises no meat, little fat (primarily from nuts and olive oil - possibly some fish too?), and quantities of vegetables, with complex whole-grains; if you can stick to such a restrictive regimen, weight