Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Bryon Daly
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/14/2003 4:43:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He's quite clear in the intro that it's a work of fiction. A 'wink wink nod nod' scenario would have been a single line which said 'Of course, I don't support this.' Instead,

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan Minette wrote: No, as I've never stated you were evil. Did JDG ever call you evil? Dan M. No, but JDG does not post 20 times a day that you are evil. How many times has he called you, personally, evil, as opposed to calling religion evil? Now I'm not excusing his excesses at all, but

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jon Gabriel wrote: There is a _huge_ difference in this instance between what you describe and what's on that site. I respectfully suggest you consider re-reading it, because I'm rather surprised you would make this comparison. OK, I read it a third time. You don't see the difference

RE: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread ritu
Julia asked: Hm. Wondering now: how many religious people on list how many very non-religious people on list how many people have killfiles if killfiles by religious people have primarily non-religious people if killfiles by non-religious people have primarily religious people I have

Veterans (was Veterens Bushwhacked)

2003-11-15 Thread G. D. Akin
How many veterans on the list? I'll start the count at 1. George A ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

RE: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread ritu
Jon Gabriel wrote: Out of curiosity, do you object to Tom Clancy novels? Oh, I do. The first book of his I read, one of his characters implied, somewhere in the first 50 pages, that Indira Gandhi was assassinated because India is such an awful place that her own security guards had no choice

Re: [Listref] Cocoa antioxidants

2003-11-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 09:29:10PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Erik Reuter wrote: Have you ever met anyone who makes hot chocolate without SOME form of milk? Whole, 2%, skim, dry milk, something besides water? Darn ivory tower research! :-) I tried it once,

Re: Fox News, we distort, you comply.

2003-11-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering if you have read Al Frankin's new book. As you know he pretty much takes apart Hannity and O'Reilly. You should know that Colmes was hired by Hannity to be his liberal foil. Colmes is more centrist than anything else and for the most part he is

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While we are being curious, how about a fantasy of government agents laying siege to a religious cult, in the end killing 80 adults and children? If you want a single person, how about a fantasy of a sniper who's a good enough shot to kill a

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This brings to mind a pet peeve of mine that drove me crazy, but I've never seen anyone else comment on it... Back during the Clinton era, from day 1 of his presidency, Clinton was constantly being called a pothead for his admitted didn't inhale

Slower is Faster

2003-11-15 Thread William T Goodall
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/14/technology/14super.html SAN FRANCISCO, Nov. 13 - I.B.M. plans to introduce a dishwasher-size prototype supercomputer on Friday that the company says will also have broad uses in high-capacity corporate data centers in the future. The machine, Blue Gene/L, will

RE: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I do. The first book of his I read, one of his characters implied, somewhere in the first 50 pages, that Indira Gandhi was assassinated because India is such an awful place that her own security guards had no choice but to kill her. The officer wound up

SCOUTED: Blackmail by DoS Attack

2003-11-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
Blackmail latest scam for hackers LONDON , England (Reuters) --The rapid growth of broadband home computer connections may be inadvertently fueling what police suspect could be the start of a new crime wave -- cyber-blackmail. As more homes connect to faster delivery systems, their computers

Re: Fox News, we distort, you comply.

2003-11-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 04:30:59AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: Most surveys say that upwards of _90%_ of reporters vote Democratic. What does that say? Inquisitive, well-informed people vote Democratic? :-) -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Ritu wrote: Out of curiosity, do you object to Tom Clancy novels? Oh, I do. The first book of his I read, one of his characters implied, But if that was the opinion of a _character_, it does not necessarily mean that it was the opinion of the _author_. somewhere in the first 50 pages,

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Andrew Crystall wrote: So you are also fanatically anti-religious, for some specific religions. I am surrounded by fanatics!!! Anti-religion? No. Anti-scientolgist? YES. Scientology is a *dangerous* UFO Cult Dangerous? In which way? Alberto Monteiro - who would like to have all

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 04:41:04AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: A government sting that ends in the murder by Federal agents of an American citizen holding her baby done at the behest of a liberal Democrat is a worthy exercise of government power protecting Americans. Holding non-citizens

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 04:45:59AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: Just to be clear - he has never made any such admission. He refused to answer the question as to whether he has or has not. This would appear similar to your position on if you don't condemn it, then you tacitly endorse it. Why

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:10 AM 11/15/03 +, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 15 Nov 2003 at 1:22, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: Not you. I don't think either of the people I killfiled are that regular posters anymore. (no-one else is quoting them anyway) I have a few on the culture list,

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread William T Goodall
On 15 Nov 2003, at 1:26 pm, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 04:10 AM 11/15/03 +, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 15 Nov 2003 at 1:22, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: Not you. I don't think either of the people I killfiled are that regular posters anymore. (no-one else is quoting

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wake up on the wrong side of bed, Gautam? Is it so difficult to admit that they are BOTH wrong? I haven't seen anyone here trying to excuse the former. The latter, however... -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ Well, I don't actually

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:26:21AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: I didn't realize UFOs were involved. But, then, I've not made a detailed study of it. No one has. THAT's why their unidentified! -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___

Re: Fox News, we distort, you comply.

2003-11-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:38:23AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: Well, most CEOs vote Republican, which suggests that competent, capable people vote Republican. :-) Dishonest, greedy, take advantage of shareholders people, you mean? :-) -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:37:36AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: Well, I don't actually think that holding people who were fighting against the United States prisoner _is_ wrong. Exactly my point. How you can justify holding anyone without a fair trial and access to a lawyer is incredible.

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 08:17 AM 11/15/03 -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 04:45:59AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: Just to be clear - he has never made any such admission. He refused to answer the question as to whether he has or has not. This would appear similar to your position on if you don't

Re: Veterans (was Veterans Bushwhacked)

2003-11-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:36 PM 11/15/03 +0900, G. D. Akin wrote: How many veterans on the list? I'll start the count at 1. 2. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:37:36AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: Well, I don't actually think that holding people who were fighting against the United States prisoner _is_ wrong. Exactly my point. How you can justify holding anyone without a

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:50:43AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Would that be anything like making a statement to the effect that If you don't condemn getting blow jobs in the office from underlings, you tacitly endorse it, despite the fact that for the average person it can adversely

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 08:55 AM 11/15/03 -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:50:43AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Would that be anything like making a statement to the effect that If you don't condemn getting blow jobs in the office from underlings, you tacitly endorse it, despite the fact that

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 11/14/2003 9:54:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All right, OK, very well then! -- puts on attentive face with glasses and sits with chin on fist Play ball! Ata girl ___

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:03:07AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Oh, good. blow job = good blow up nose = bad Thank you for clearing that up for me. You're welcome. You may now return to your regularly scheduled blow job. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:54:38AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: Because we are _at war_. We didn't give German POWs Yeah, right, Gautam. I won't even bother to argue the at war point, which is laughable, but that you would argue that human rights should be ignored during war is just sad. Yet

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 09:30 PM 11/14/2003 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So enough of this crap. Quit ganging up on the Fool (my god more of the nasty conspiracy - now I am defending the fool) If people criticized The Fool for positing an article Jewish dreams of world domination, would you feel the same way? JDG

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 02:19 PM 11/14/2003 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: how many religious people on list Very free from my estimation. how many very non-religious people on list Certainly more than the former. how many people have killfiles Well, I would be interested in the results of Jon's proposed poll. if

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what a nice trial is, but the prisoners should receive the same right to a fair a speedy trial that all people are entitled to. Innocent until proven guilty, you may have forgotten in your war on all non-Americans zeal. Erik Reuter

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:25 PM 11/14/2003 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: No, as I've never stated you were evil. Did JDG ever call you evil? Dan M. No, but JDG does not post 20 times a day that you are evil. How many times has he called you, personally, evil, as opposed to calling religion evil? Now I'm not

[A4P] Change of address

2003-11-15 Thread Matt Lundstrom
Change of address: As most of you already know, Trent Shipley has transferred the Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia to me. The initial upload suffered from major problems with dead links, which was caused by the fact that filenames were in lower case (ie. filename.htm) while the URLs had both

Re: Fox News, we distort, you comply.

2003-11-15 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Gautam wrote: Well, most CEOs vote Republican, which suggests that competent, capable people vote Republican. :-) Or that overpaid, pampered leeches vote Republican. Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://aclipscomb.blogspot.com ___

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Ronn wrote: blow job = good blow up nose = bad Exactly. I am fully, 100% in support of blow jobs. I am unequivocably opposed to cocaine. Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://aclipscomb.blogspot.com ___

Re: [Listref] Cocoa antioxidants

2003-11-15 Thread Julia Thompson
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 09:29:10PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Erik Reuter wrote: Have you ever met anyone who makes hot chocolate without SOME form of milk? Whole, 2%, skim, dry milk, something besides water? Darn

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread John D. Giorgis
O.k., I suppose that I have a moral obligation to step in to this discussion, particularly following Dan's observation. As perhaps the author of the most famous killfile in list history (in re: a former listmember) I certainly am not going to bash anyone for setting up a killfile. I think there

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 7:26 AM Subject: Re: Explanation At 04:10 AM 11/15/03 +, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 15 Nov 2003 at 1:22, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Andrew

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 7:40 AM Subject: Re: Explanation I presume you mean by 'Cult' a 'false religion'. But isn't a false religion a religion too? Or if not, how do

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Julia Thompson
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Alberto Monteiro - who would like to have all horoscopes in the newspapers have their authors subject to being sued when their predictions didn't come true :-) But the ones I see are vague enough that there's be plenty of room for the defense to

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Julia Thompson
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:03:07AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Oh, good. blow job = good blow up nose = bad Thank you for clearing that up for me. You're welcome. You may now return to your regularly scheduled blow job. How many

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Julia Thompson
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, John D. Giorgis wrote: Then again, maybe none of us are perfect. Maybe? I believe that nobody on this list is perfect. I believe that a lot of people on this list are trying, anyway. And some are trying in the other sense of the word. :) And maybe some people are

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Julia Thompson
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Doug Pensinger wrote: Just out of curiosity, if someone posted a fantasy about molesting a child, saying that the darker parts of his mind imagined it but explaining carefully that he would never advocate such a thing and why, would that be just OK? Posting it here

Re: Veterans (was Veterans Bushwhacked)

2003-11-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 07:39:32 -0600, Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:36 PM 11/15/03 +0900, G. D. Akin wrote: How many veterans on the list? I'll start the count at 1. 2. 3 -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Scientology Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 09:22 AM 11/15/2003 -0600 Dan Minette wrote: I heard that Hubberd made up Scientology as a scam to make lots of money, and didn't really believe at all. Does anyone know how accurate/inaccurate this is? He never said the above publicly, but years before founding Scientology he made a comment

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 06:22:13AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: If you don't think we're at war, there's a big hole in New York that would argue otherwise. By your definition, which is apparently not the Congress has declared war, but as far as I can tell appears to be that there are some

RE: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Gary Nunn
Julia wrote... Although I've heard of a case where someone got arrested because he wrote something in his private journal (on paper) along those lines. Don't remember how they got hold of his private journal to be reading that. I remember the case you are talking about. I think this was

Week 11 Picks

2003-11-15 Thread John D. Giorgis
Just like that, a 6-8 week drops me back to .500 at 72-72. Maybe I should just start flipping coins. Arizona at Cleveland - Yes the Browns are in a bit of disarray after unexpectedly cutting their best WR this week, but a second straight road trip to the East for the Cardinals has to take

Re: Fanatics (was: christian dreams of murder...)

2003-11-15 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 01:31 PM 11/14/2003 -0800 Deborah Harrell wrote: --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pandagon.net/archives/1992.htm Murder, Murder WASHINGTON-January 6, 2004. A paramilitary organization calling itself the Christian Liberation Front changed the balance of power in

Re: [A4P] Change of address

2003-11-15 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/15/2003 8:44:17 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 02:05:54AM -0800, Matt Lundstrom wrote: As of now the Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia is available at http://www.geocities.com/allianceforprogress (update your

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JDG wrote: If people criticized The Fool for positing an article Jewish dreams of world domination, would you feel the same way? Why Jewish? Those who are taking steps in World Domination are the Swiss People! They control the money, not the Jews. Alberto Monteiro

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Steve Sloan II
Dan Minette wrote: I heard that Hubberd made up Scientology as a scam to make lots of money, and didn't really believe at all. Does anyone know how accurate/inaccurate this is? I remember reading somewhere that Hubbard made a bet with another SF writer about it. He bet that he could create a

Re: Fanatics (was: christian dreams of murder...)

2003-11-15 Thread Michael Harney
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 01:31 PM 11/14/2003 -0800 Deborah Harrell wrote: --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pandagon.net/archives/1992.htm Murder, Murder WASHINGTON-January 6, 2004. A paramilitary organization calling itself the Christian

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we are neither legally nor morally obligated to do and Of course we are morally obligated to extend human rights to humans. That you consistently deny this is very sad. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ See Erik, a key difference

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember Ruby Ridge and the controversy surrounding it. There was a lot of debate concerning exactly what happened. The range of interpretations that I saw was anything from a mistake under fire to actions that should have ended up with the trial

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread William T Goodall
On 15 Nov 2003, at 5:02 pm, Steve Sloan II wrote: Dan Minette wrote: I heard that Hubberd made up Scientology as a scam to make lots of money, and didn't really believe at all. Does anyone know how accurate/inaccurate this is? I remember reading somewhere that Hubbard made a bet with another

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 09:21:34AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: See Erik, a key difference between you and me is I tend to say things like reasonable people can differ on this issue and you don't. Actucally, the difference is that I don't think it is reasonable to hold an attitude that people

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread William T Goodall
On 15 Nov 2003, at 3:24 pm, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 7:40 AM Subject: Re: Explanation I presume you mean by 'Cult' a 'false religion'. But isn't a false

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Explanation On 15 Nov 2003, at 3:24 pm, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: William T Goodall

Re: Veterans (was Veterans Bushwhacked)

2003-11-15 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:36 PM 11/15/03 +0900, G. D. Akin wrote: How many veterans on the list? I'll start the count at 1. 2. 3 Not me. (Though my wife, father, step-father, 2 brothers-in-law, and many of our friends and family are). I'm just

Ruby Ridge..

2003-11-15 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:31 AM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... I actually don't blame the agent involved much at all. I blame the orders he was given. I

Re: Ruby Ridge..

2003-11-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying that the report of the official investigation was false, or are you just interpreting it in a far different manner than I do? http://www.byington.org/Carl/ruby/ruby1.htm As far as I can tell, the orders were consistent with SOP for

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 7:54 AM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... , and maybe the names and faces of CIA informants published? The Bush administration is doing a

Re: Ruby Ridge..

2003-11-15 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Ruby Ridge.. --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying that the report of the official investigation was

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... So, Erik, be a reasonable person. How would you deal with the problem? I have a solution -

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bush administration is doing a pretty good job of this on their own. xponent In The News Maru rob A claim for which you have _no_, as in zero, evidence. A lot of people have _claimed_ that the Administration leaked that name - all of them

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... --- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bush administration is doing a pretty good job of

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes and no. I've seen Rumsfeld state that no trials are neededthey can be held indefinately without trial until the war on terror ends. The problems with this, compared to a war like WWII, are obvious I think. The war on terror will not end

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm missing something. Didn't Robert Novak claim that he got his info from a high administration official? Dan M. It has become rather vague since then. We _don't know_ if it was a political appointee, a career civil servant (someone in the SES

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Steve Sloan II wrote: I heard that Hubberd made up Scientology as a scam to make lots of money, and didn't really believe at all. Does anyone know how accurate/inaccurate this is? I remember reading somewhere that Hubbard made a bet with another SF writer about it. He bet that he could

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Julia Thompson wrote: Alberto Monteiro - who would like to have all horoscopes in the newspapers have their authors subject to being sued when their predictions didn't come true :-) But the ones I see are vague enough that there's be plenty of room for the defense to be reasonably

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread William T Goodall
On 15 Nov 2003, at 9:34 pm, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Explanation On 15 Nov 2003, at 3:24 pm, Dan Minette wrote: - Original

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 04:33 PM 11/15/2003 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: I would also point out that half of Washington has known Valerie Plame was a CIA agent for years, so it's not as if it's a major security breach either. None of this, of course, came out in the press. Indeed, I am sure that the intelligence

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 04:43:34PM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: Their hysteria is fundamentally a product of immaturity - they are like five years olds who want a diamond ring. Adults have to make choices and understand the consequences on both sides of actions. I _don't know_ for sure what

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
John D. Giorgis wrote: Secondly, I have begun a post once Look, punk IIRC, I meant that phrase to be a bit more humorous, in an albeit dark way, than it ended up sounding I'm not going to tell you what you were thinking when you posted, but as I recall you later described the depth of

Re: Week 11 Picks

2003-11-15 Thread Julia Thompson
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, John D. Giorgis wrote: NY Jets at Indianapolis - This is the injury bowl. The Jets are banged up on defense, and without Wayne Chrebet. The Colts have many holes on their offensive line, and are without Marvin Harrison and Marcus Pollard. Ouch. Still, Peyton

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Julia Thompson
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Alberto Monteiro - who would like to have all horoscopes in the newspapers have their authors subject to being sued when their predictions didn't come true :-) But the ones I see are vague enough that there's be

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Julia Thompson
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, John D. Giorgis wrote: At 04:33 PM 11/15/2003 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: I would also point out that half of Washington has known Valerie Plame was a CIA agent for years, so it's not as if it's a major security breach either. None of this, of course, came out in the

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where in the above does it say that you have to reside within certian borders to deserve these rights? Doug Nowhere. Which is why the Declaration is a wonderful sentiment without force of law. Everyone on earth _should have_ those rights.

Re: Christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:16 AM 11/15/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:03:07AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Oh, good. blow job = good blow up nose = bad Thank you for clearing that up for me. You're welcome. You may now return to

Re: Six Sigma

2003-11-15 Thread Kanandarqu
At 08:59 PM 11/14/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/13/2003 11:55:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 10:54 PM 11/13/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone help me with a book or list of books to help me get a basic understanding

List of Veterans on the List (was Re: Veterans (was Veterans Bushwhacked))

2003-11-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:41 PM 11/15/03 -0500, Bryon Daly wrote: From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:36 PM 11/15/03 +0900, G. D. Akin wrote: How many veterans on the list? I'll start the count at 1. 2. 3 Not me. (Though my wife, father, step-father, 2 brothers-in-law, and many

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Russell Chapman
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] I presume you mean by 'Cult' a 'false religion'. But isn't a false religion a religion too? Or if not, how do you tell the false ones from the true ones? And how can more than one be true? Why does it have to be a false religion. I've always thought a

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 03:34 PM 11/15/03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Explanation On 15 Nov 2003, at 3:24 pm, Dan Minette wrote: - Original

Re: Explanation

2003-11-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 08:40 PM 11/15/03 +, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Alberto Monteiro - who would like to have all horoscopes in the newspapers have their authors subject to being sued when their predictions didn't come true :-) But the ones I see are vague enough that there's be plenty

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:43 PM 11/15/03 -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes and no. I've seen Rumsfeld state that no trials are neededthey can be held indefinately without trial until the war on terror ends. The problems with this, compared to a war like WWII, are

Re: Ruby Ridge..

2003-11-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:13 PM 11/15/03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Ruby Ridge.. --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying that the

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 06:47 PM 11/15/03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... --- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bush

Re: List of Veterans on the List (was Re: Veterans (was Veterans Bushwhacked))

2003-11-15 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 10:07 PM 11/15/2003 -0600, you wrote: At 04:41 PM 11/15/03 -0500, Bryon Daly wrote: From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:36 PM 11/15/03 +0900, G. D. Akin wrote: How many veterans on the list? I'll start the count at 1. 2. 3 Not me. (Though my wife, father,

Re: Six Sigma

2003-11-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 11:00 PM 11/15/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:59 PM 11/14/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/13/2003 11:55:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 10:54 PM 11/13/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone help me with a book or

Re: christian dreams of murder...

2003-11-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Here's a question for you, if you think the Declaration should guide our actions. You supported Judge Roy Moore, right? Endowed _by their Creator_ with certain inalienable rights... Not so good for separation of church and state, is it? Sufficiently ambiguous. Evolution

Re: List of Veterans on the List (was Re: Veterans (was Veterans Bushwhacked))

2003-11-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
Kevin Tarr wrote: I'm jealous. I signed up for the early enlistment program at the earliest possible moment, 18 months before my ship out date. I got credit for three other classmates enlisting. I think the first meant I'd have extra service time credits and have been a higher pay-grade after

won't get polled again

2003-11-15 Thread Kevin Tarr
Thursday night got two phone calls, opinion polls. The first was general about TV viewing, how many night a week did I watch TV between 8-10, what channels did I mostly like, what types of shows. The second was a long one about politics. I cannot say what organization it was from. Some of the

Re: [Listref] Cocoa antioxidants

2003-11-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:49 PM 11/14/03 -0800, Deborah Harrell wrote: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: Debbi who found that, when camping, instant hot cocoa is pretty good with a dollop of peppermint schnapps... :} Don't tempt me. :) Julia off alcohol for awhile

Re: List of Veterans on the List (was Re: Veterans (was Veterans Bushwhacked))

2003-11-15 Thread Damon Agretto
So its details youse wants? ;) 12K (tank Loader/Driver/Gunner), USANG, 28th ID(Mech). Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building:

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