Re: Semi-Irregulars Questions about Sparks in Space
Robert Seeberger wrote: Robert J. Chassell wrote: Now I'm wondering if there are sparks when a ship docks at the space station ... Interesting. First, I don't think there would be actual sparks. Electrical sparks happen when the potential gradient between two charged objects is too steep and the air there is ionized. The ionized air conducts current readily, and the potential between the objects is quickly equalized. Without air, I think that electrons would quietly flow to the more positive object, until the potentials were equal. Won't both the space station and the ship discharge or attact electrons though needles, as is done with aircraft? I think the purpose of the needle is to produce a steeper potential gradient at the tip of the needle. This would help ionize the air, but I'm not sure it's useful in a vacuum. But what would it bleed off to? If the enviroment is FAIAP a vacuum then there is nothing to discharge tooI would think!?!?! Isn't some form of matter (even a plasma or some kind of ion path for potential equalization) required? Now if an object has a net negative charge, I claim that the extra electrons would spread over the outside to the extent they were able. (If the ship is conductive, they would be pretty able.) But then why should they stay on the object? The electric force is pretty strong, so once an electron gets off the surface of the ship, repulsion of like charges should push it out into space. This effect would depend on temperature, as was pointed out for vacuum tube filaments. I know the ISS orbits through the most tenuous of atmosphere, but is it enough to provide a potential equalization path? I'm betting air is an insulator, and equalization happens more easily in a vacuum. Their charge is the ambient. I remember from 8th grade (which was a very long time ago; I am not positive of the truth) that corona dischages do not require an atmosphere, except to be seen. Sounds right. I think if you can see the discharge in a near-vacuum, it's like an aurora, meaning your ship has a rather high charge. I'll pass. The corona occurs when the atmosphere strips (or adds I suppose) electrons from the surface of the craft. Once outside the atmosphere the corona is maintained because there is no place for the charge to go. Wait a minute, what's keeping the corona there? Gravity is all I can think of, and that's pretty weak, even for the Death Star. ---David I've got a voltmeter, you bring the spaceship... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hello (hello, hello)
Steve Sloan wrote: > Robert Seeberger wrote: > >> Heh! >> Amateurs! > >> So many nights I sit by my window >> Waiting for someone to sing me his song >> So many dreams I kept deep inside me >> Alone in the dark but now >> You've come along > >> You light up my life >> You give me hope >> To carry on >> You light up my days >> and fill my nights with song > > That one's off topic, because it's actually a religious song in > disguise. :-) I knew that! It's about Jeesus! I suppose it depends on the individual whether the religious content makes the song more or less obnoxious. xponent Shut Up William! Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semi-Irregulars Questions about Sparks in Space
Robert J. Chassell wrote: >Now I'm wondering if there are sparks when a ship docks at the >space station ... > > Won't both the space station and the ship discharge or attact > electrons though needles, as is done with aircraft? But what would it bleed off to? If the enviroment is FAIAP a vacuum then there is nothing to discharge tooI would think!?!?! Isn't some form of matter (even a plasma or some kind of ion path for potential equalization) required? I know the ISS orbits through the most tenuous of atmosphere, but is it enough to provide a potential equalization path? >Their charge is > the ambient. I remember from 8th grade (which was a very long time > ago; I am not positive of the truth) that corona dischages do not > require an atmosphere, except to be seen. The corona occurs when the atmosphere strips (or adds I suppose) electrons from the surface of the craft. Once outside the atmosphere the corona is maintained because there is no place for the charge to go. So when the craft docks... I suppose much depends on whether the corona is positive or negative. Negative coronas vary upon surface features and positive coronas distribute more evenly over surfaces. > > Indeed, doesn't one kind of thermo-electric generator work because > the > heated side boils off electrons that jump through a vacuum to a > cooler > collector? At least, that is how I remember what I heard in the > 1960s. HI'm thinking there are multiple methods to generate electricity from thermal gradiants. xponent Seems To Want To Get Confused Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Robert Seeberger wrote: > Heh! > Amateurs! > So many nights I sit by my window > Waiting for someone to sing me his song > So many dreams I kept deep inside me > Alone in the dark but now > You've come along > You light up my life > You give me hope > To carry on > You light up my days > and fill my nights with song That one's off topic, because it's actually a religious song in disguise. :-) __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama => [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Science Fiction-themed online store . http://www.sloan3d.com/store Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [lbstakoma] sci-fi magazines
J.D. Giorgis wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I haven't been around in a while, but someone in my > neighborhood just passed along the following notice, > and I figured that someone here might be interested. > Contact Neda for more information > It is good to see you John! xponent Maru Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > At 10:33 AM Wednesday 3/15/2006, Dave Land wrote: >> This thing ends here: >> >> There's a spark of magic in your eyes >> Candyland appears each time you smile >> Never thought that fairy tales came true >> But they come true when I'm near you >> You're a genie in disguise >> Full of wonder and surprise >> >> And betcha by golly, wow >> You're the one that I've been waiting for forever >> And ever will my love for you keep growin' strong >> Keep growin' strong >> >> If I could I'd catch a falling star >> To shine on you so I'll know where you are >> Order rainbows in your favorite shade >> To show I love you, thinking of you >> Write your name across the sky >> Anything you ask I'll try >> >> 'Cause betcha by golly, wow >> You're the one that I've been waiting for forever >> And ever will my love for you keep growin' strong >> Keep growin' strong >> >> [break] >> >> Betcha by golly, wow >> You're the one that I've been waiting for forever >> And ever will my love for you keep growin' strong >> Keep growin' strong >> >> Betcha by golly, wow >> You're the one that I've been waiting for forever >> And ever will my love for you keep growin' strong >> Keep growin' strong >> Betcha by golly, wow > > > > I'm Henry the eighth I am, > Henry the eighth I am I am, > I got married to the widow next door, > She's been married seven times before, > And every one was a Henry (Henry), > She wouldn't have a Willie or a Sam (no sam) > I'm her eighth old man, I'm Henry, > Henry the eighth I am > > Second verse, same as the first > I'm Henry the eighth I am, > Henry the eighth I am I am, > I got married to the widow next door, > She's been married seven times before, > And every one was a Henry (Henry), > She wouldn't have a Willie or a Sam (no sam) > I'm her eighth old man, I'm Henry, > Henry the eighth I am > > (guitar solo) > > I'm Henry the eighth I am, > Henry the eighth I am I am, > I got married to the widow next door, > She's been married seven times before, > And every one was a Henry (Henry), > She wouldn't have a Willie or a Sam (no sam) > I'm her eighth old man, I'm Henry, > Henry the eighth I am > > (shouts) > > H-E-N-R-Y > Henry (Henry), Henry (Henry) > Henry the eighth I am I am, > Henry the eighth I am > > > --Henry . . . um . . . Ronn! :) Ronn! is actually quite good at this! xponent Divide And Conquer Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hello (hello, hello)
Dave Land wrote: > This thing ends here: > > There's a spark of magic in your eyes > Candyland appears each time you smile > Never thought that fairy tales came true > But they come true when I'm near you > You're a genie in disguise > Full of wonder and surprise > > And betcha by golly, wow > You're the one that I've been waiting for forever > And ever will my love for you keep growin' strong > Keep growin' strong > > If I could I'd catch a falling star > To shine on you so I'll know where you are > Order rainbows in your favorite shade > To show I love you, thinking of you > Write your name across the sky > Anything you ask I'll try > > 'Cause betcha by golly, wow > You're the one that I've been waiting for forever > And ever will my love for you keep growin' strong > Keep growin' strong > > [break] > > Betcha by golly, wow > You're the one that I've been waiting for forever > And ever will my love for you keep growin' strong > Keep growin' strong > > Betcha by golly, wow > You're the one that I've been waiting for forever > And ever will my love for you keep growin' strong > Keep growin' strong > Betcha by golly, wow > > Dave "I haven't even gotten warmed up yet" Land > Shirley you jest! You can tell the world, you never was my girl, You can burn my clothes when I am gone. You can tell your friends, just what a fool I've been, And laugh and joke about me on the phone. And you can tell my arms, go back into the farm, You can tell my feet to hit the floor. You can tell my lips, or tell my fingertips, They won't be reaching out for you no more. Don't tell my heart, my achy breaky heart, I just don't think he'd understand. 'Cause if you tell my heart, my achy breaky heart, He might blow up and kill this man. You can tell your ma, I moved to Arkansas, You can tell your dog to bite my leg. Or tell your brother Clift, his fist can tear my lip, He never really liked me anyway. Tell your Aunt Louise, tell anything you please, A simple written note is not OK. You can tell my eyes, but watch out for my mind, It might be walkin' out on me today. So don't tell my heart, my achy breaky heart, I just don't think he'd understand. 'Cause if you tell my heart, my achy breaky heart, He might blow up and kill this man. xponent Condenscension Al Carbon Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semi-Irregulars Questions about Sparks in Space
Now I'm wondering if there are sparks when a ship docks at the space station ... Won't both the space station and the ship discharge or attact electrons though needles, as is done with aircraft? Their charge is the ambient. I remember from 8th grade (which was a very long time ago; I am not positive of the truth) that corona dischages do not require an atmosphere, except to be seen. Indeed, doesn't one kind of thermo-electric generator work because the heated side boils off electrons that jump through a vacuum to a cooler collector? At least, that is how I remember what I heard in the 1960s. -- Robert J. Chassell [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [lbstakoma] sci-fi magazines
JDG said: I haven't been around in a while, but someone in my neighborhood just passed along the following notice, and I figured that someone here might be interested. Contact Neda for more information Hi John! Is this really a flying visit or do you have time to tell us about whatever exciting things you've been doing? Having just read Nick's comment: do you have a weblog or something? Rich GCU Out Of The Loop ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hello (hello, hello)
On Mar 15, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Element the eighth I am Dave "Maybe I was eight" Land Or maybe you were just ionized. That may well be the most creative way it's ever been put, but you're definitely not the first person to accuse me of being out in the ozone. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [lbstakoma] sci-fi magazines
Welcome back! I truly enjoyed reading about your world travels. -- what a trip! Nick On 3/15/06, J.D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I haven't been around in a while, but someone in my > neighborhood just passed along the following notice, > and I figured that someone here might be interested. > Contact Neda for more information > > JDG > -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Hi Everyone, I haven't been around in a while, but someone in my neighborhood just passed along the following notice, and I figured that someone here might be interested. Contact Neda for more information JDG --- Neda Juraydini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:46:09 -0500 > From: Neda Juraydini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [lbstakoma] sci-fi magazines > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > My husband has stacks of the magazines "Asimov," > "Analog" and "Fantasy & > Science Fiction. Dating back to '96 or '95, and > maybe older. He's > having a hard time parting with them but is willing > to do so if he can > find a new home for them. Any ideas?? > > > Neda > > 905 Jackson > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Re: Hello (hello, hello)
At 11:02 AM Wednesday 3/15/2006, Dave Land wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: I'm Henry the eighth I am, Henry the eighth I am I am, I got married to the widow next door, She's been married seven times before, And every one was a Henry (Henry), She wouldn't have a Willie or a Sam (no sam) I'm her eighth old man, I'm Henry, Henry the eighth I am Second verse, same as the first I'm Henry the eighth I am, Henry the eighth I am I am, I got married to the widow next door, She's been married seven times before, And every one was a Henry (Henry), She wouldn't have a Willie or a Sam (no sam) I'm her eighth old man, I'm Henry, Henry the eighth I am (guitar solo) I'm Henry the eighth I am, Henry the eighth I am I am, I got married to the widow next door, She's been married seven times before, And every one was a Henry (Henry), She wouldn't have a Willie or a Sam (no sam) I'm her eighth old man, I'm Henry, Henry the eighth I am (shouts) H-E-N-R-Y Henry (Henry), Henry (Henry) Henry the eighth I am I am, Henry the eighth I am Hey, I LIKED that song (when I was seven or so)... I'm element the eighth I am 'Tomic number eight I am I am When I'm liquid I am cold and blue My normal state is molecular O2 I'm an oxidising element It's me that makes explosive stuff go BLAM! In the periodic elements Element the eighth I am Second verse - yet more diverse I'm element the eighth I am 'Tomic number eight I am I am Sev'ral miles high above the sea You'll find me as ozone (which is O3) I'm a divalent element Two singles or a double-bond I can I'm number eight in the elements Element the eighth I am (Solo... er free radical?) I'm element the eighth I am 'Tomic number eight I am I am I've got eight electrons in my shell Eight nuclear protons, eight neutrons as well I'm a mass of sixteen element That means one mole of me is sixteen grams In the periodic elements Element the eighth I am Element (Element) Element (Element) Element the eighth I am Dave "Maybe I was eight" Land Or maybe you were just ionized. --Ronn! :) "Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER GOD. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too?" -- Red Skelton (Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Possibly explaining why flatulence has been a recent topic onseveral lists
Robert Seeberger wrote: Maru Dubshinki wrote: On 3/14/06, Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... This thread is going down the crapper. xponent Thomas Maru rob I'll thank you to can that toilet talk! Won't someone think of the children? Think about children on the toilet? Dude.you got issues! Either that, or someone in the household is working on toilet-training. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hello (hello, hello)
On Mar 15, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: I'm Henry the eighth I am, Henry the eighth I am I am, I got married to the widow next door, She's been married seven times before, And every one was a Henry (Henry), She wouldn't have a Willie or a Sam (no sam) I'm her eighth old man, I'm Henry, Henry the eighth I am Second verse, same as the first I'm Henry the eighth I am, Henry the eighth I am I am, I got married to the widow next door, She's been married seven times before, And every one was a Henry (Henry), She wouldn't have a Willie or a Sam (no sam) I'm her eighth old man, I'm Henry, Henry the eighth I am (guitar solo) I'm Henry the eighth I am, Henry the eighth I am I am, I got married to the widow next door, She's been married seven times before, And every one was a Henry (Henry), She wouldn't have a Willie or a Sam (no sam) I'm her eighth old man, I'm Henry, Henry the eighth I am (shouts) H-E-N-R-Y Henry (Henry), Henry (Henry) Henry the eighth I am I am, Henry the eighth I am Hey, I LIKED that song (when I was seven or so)... I'm element the eighth I am 'Tomic number eight I am I am When I'm liquid I am cold and blue My normal state is molecular O2 I'm an oxidising element It's me that makes explosive stuff go BLAM! In the periodic elements Element the eighth I am Second verse - yet more diverse I'm element the eighth I am 'Tomic number eight I am I am Sev'ral miles high above the sea You'll find me as ozone (which is O3) I'm a divalent element Two singles or a double-bond I can I'm number eight in the elements Element the eighth I am (Solo... er free radical?) I'm element the eighth I am 'Tomic number eight I am I am I've got eight electrons in my shell Eight nuclear protons, eight neutrons as well I'm a mass of sixteen element That means one mole of me is sixteen grams In the periodic elements Element the eighth I am Element (Element) Element (Element) Element the eighth I am Dave "Maybe I was eight" Land ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hello (hello, hello)
At 10:33 AM Wednesday 3/15/2006, Dave Land wrote: This thing ends here: There's a spark of magic in your eyes Candyland appears each time you smile Never thought that fairy tales came true But they come true when I'm near you You're a genie in disguise Full of wonder and surprise And betcha by golly, wow You're the one that I've been waiting for forever And ever will my love for you keep growin' strong Keep growin' strong If I could I'd catch a falling star To shine on you so I'll know where you are Order rainbows in your favorite shade To show I love you, thinking of you Write your name across the sky Anything you ask I'll try 'Cause betcha by golly, wow You're the one that I've been waiting for forever And ever will my love for you keep growin' strong Keep growin' strong [break] Betcha by golly, wow You're the one that I've been waiting for forever And ever will my love for you keep growin' strong Keep growin' strong Betcha by golly, wow You're the one that I've been waiting for forever And ever will my love for you keep growin' strong Keep growin' strong Betcha by golly, wow I'm Henry the eighth I am, Henry the eighth I am I am, I got married to the widow next door, She's been married seven times before, And every one was a Henry (Henry), She wouldn't have a Willie or a Sam (no sam) I'm her eighth old man, I'm Henry, Henry the eighth I am Second verse, same as the first I'm Henry the eighth I am, Henry the eighth I am I am, I got married to the widow next door, She's been married seven times before, And every one was a Henry (Henry), She wouldn't have a Willie or a Sam (no sam) I'm her eighth old man, I'm Henry, Henry the eighth I am (guitar solo) I'm Henry the eighth I am, Henry the eighth I am I am, I got married to the widow next door, She's been married seven times before, And every one was a Henry (Henry), She wouldn't have a Willie or a Sam (no sam) I'm her eighth old man, I'm Henry, Henry the eighth I am (shouts) H-E-N-R-Y Henry (Henry), Henry (Henry) Henry the eighth I am I am, Henry the eighth I am --Henry . . . um . . . Ronn! :) "Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER GOD. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too?" -- Red Skelton (Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hello (hello, hello)
This thing ends here: There's a spark of magic in your eyes Candyland appears each time you smile Never thought that fairy tales came true But they come true when I'm near you You're a genie in disguise Full of wonder and surprise And betcha by golly, wow You're the one that I've been waiting for forever And ever will my love for you keep growin' strong Keep growin' strong If I could I'd catch a falling star To shine on you so I'll know where you are Order rainbows in your favorite shade To show I love you, thinking of you Write your name across the sky Anything you ask I'll try 'Cause betcha by golly, wow You're the one that I've been waiting for forever And ever will my love for you keep growin' strong Keep growin' strong [break] Betcha by golly, wow You're the one that I've been waiting for forever And ever will my love for you keep growin' strong Keep growin' strong Betcha by golly, wow You're the one that I've been waiting for forever And ever will my love for you keep growin' strong Keep growin' strong Betcha by golly, wow Dave "I haven't even gotten warmed up yet" Land It's a Small World Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Re: Hello (hello, hello)
Robert Seeberger wrote: >The kid is hot tonight LOVERBOY You have officially gone too far, Mr. Seeberger. I'm reporting you to the GICW for sanctioning. Expect a visit from the Tandu any day now. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Possibly explaining why flatulence has been a recent topic on several lists
Maru Dubshinki wrote: >Robert Seeberger wrote: >> This thread is going down the crapper. >I'll thank you to can that toilet talk! Won't someone think of the >children? To be fair, this kind of talk *is* American standard... Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Doug Pensinger wrote: > Robert wrote: >> xponent >> Not Likely Maru > > Ha! > > Jenny, Jenny, who can I turn to? > You give me something I can hold on to. > I know you think I'm like the others before > Who saw your name and number on the wall > blank blank blanken blank blank oh blank Pt! The kid is hot tonight Whoa, So hot tonight But where will he be tomorrow? The kid is hot tonight Whoa, so hot tonight But where will he be tommorow? xponent Greater Cheese Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
