Re: Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher
William T Goodall wrote: > On 5 Mar 2008, at 01:28, David Hobby wrote: > >> William T Goodall wrote: >> ... >>> High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God >> William-- >> >> That doesn't make the experience more or less real, though. >> > > A drug induced hallucination is a real experience that doesn't > correspond to objectively real events. William-- I imagine you'd argue that ANY experience where one heard God was not real. : ) Others might argue that "the doors of perception were cleansed", letting one see another level of reality that was always there. In any event, I'll stick with my characterization of it as "no more or less real". ---David The Doors Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Gary Gygax
In a message dated 3/4/2008 12:58:24 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gary Gygax, the man who more or less invented the modern role-playing game, has passed away. With reverence, since I owned the original boxed set: 1-75 burial 76-99 cremation 00space **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher
On 5 Mar 2008, at 01:28, David Hobby wrote: > William T Goodall wrote: > ... >> High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God > > William-- > > That doesn't make the experience more or less real, though. > A drug induced hallucination is a real experience that doesn't correspond to objectively real events. It depends what you mean by real Maru. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Debunking bullshit is a thankless task. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher
William T Goodall wrote: ... > High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God William-- That doesn't make the experience more or less real, though. ... > He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those > produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is > frequently mentioned in the Bible. Acacia? That's a new one. But here's a good reference, that states that "some species contain DMT". (It also has a link to somebody's experiences with an Australian species, where a fairly laborious natural products extraction produced a small amount of what certainly sounds like DMT from its effects.) http://www.erowid.org/plants/acacia/acacia.shtml ---David I doubt that just smoking the bark would do much, Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080304120710.ad7gm7i6&show_article=1 " High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God deliver the Ten Commandments, an Israeli researcher claimed in a study published this week. Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times, Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at theHebrew University of Jerusalem wrote in the Time and Mind journal of philosophy. "As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics," Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday. Moses was probably also on drugs when he saw the "burning bush," suggested Shanon, who said he himself has dabbled with such substances. "The Bible says people see sounds, and that is a clasic phenomenon," he said citing the example of religious ceremonies in the Amazon in which drugs are used that induce people to "see music." He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil's Amazon forest in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Shanon said. He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible. " -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Colonization of the Solar System & Beyond
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 29, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote: > > > I am new to the list, but a long time fan of the .. what do you > > call > > the Killer B's, now that you have inducted Vernor Vinge? > > Some just pronounce his name "Bernor Binge" to avoid confusion. Depending on what part of South or Central America you're from, that is how it is actually pronounced :-) > > It seems to me any colonisation of space will be doomed while it is > > dependent on any more than token amounts of equipment manufactured on > > earth, and that with current technology it would take hundreds or > > perhaps thousands of missions to Mars say, before there would be much > > chance of building the infrastructure to bootstrap an independent > > technological civilization. But a small scientific colony is possible with modern technology. It wouldn't be self-sufficient or necessarily self-sustaining, but it is not outside the reach of today's tech. It would be stupidly expensive at this point, but if Bill Gates decided to take three or four of his best friends and move permanently to Mars, or the moon, or even a space station, he could certainly pony up the cash and make it happen. They would be dependent on his terrestrial wealth, but that could certainly be the seed of an eventual self-sustaining, self-sufficient colony. -- Mauro Diotallevi Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Don't drink and derive. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Gary Gygax
Gary Gygax, the man who more or less invented the modern role-playing game, has passed away. http://wkbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=7963395 -- Mauro Diotallevi Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Don't drink and derive. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
