Re: Sanity prevails
On 16 Aug 2008, at 17:29, Bruce Bostwick wrote: One of the articles I saw on this mentioned that at least one of the textbooks in question (the one quoted as saying if (scientific) conclusions contradict the Word of God, the conclusions are wrong) was published by Bob Jones University. Those would definitely seem to be the same guys. It's worth noting that the entire *curriculum* taught by fundamentalist-based schools and homeschooling systems (most of them use the same curriculum, in most cases either A Beka or PACE) is considered so substandard by accredited university standards that most fundamentalist Christian school courses aren't accepted for credit in accredited universities. This is a widespread enough problem that there is a whole parallel economy of fundamentalist-affiliated universities like Regent, Bob Jones, Liberty, and others, and even alternate track *accreditation* for those universities (since their *own* courses are often not accepted for transfer to mainstream universities, likewise for the reason that most of them are so appallingly substandard as to not be worth the paper they're printed on), just to provide a secondary education for the kids unfortunate enough to have been dragged through a fundamentalist K12 program. It's a huge problem, and is very much underreported in this country. From the A Beka Book website: World History and Cultures in Christian Perspective This well-researched text stands on the conviction that God is the Creator of the world and the Controller of history. The text builds a solid foundation of ancient history, tracing man's history back to the Garden of Eden. It gives a fine presentation of neglected Asian and African cultures in a unique ancient-to-modern style, helping the students to recognize other peoples and cultures. An in-depth study of the Greco-Roman culture lays the groundwork for an exciting section on medieval history. The last section brings the student to the very doorstep of current history and vividly depicts world events in light of God's master plan. Since man's actions are a product of his thoughts, the history of ideas is emphasized, rather than only political events and economic conditions. Students are given a Christian perspective on language, chronology, prehistoric times, art, music, revolutionism, evolutionism, socialism, Communism, humanism, liberalism, and much more. Colorful maps, time lines, illustrations, and photographs help to make the study of history both interesting and rewarding. [...] Science of the Physical Creation Atmosphere, weather, oceanography, earthquakes, volcanoes, rocks, and fossils are just some of the earth-science topics of this outstanding text. The geology section includes a good refutation of the principle of uniformity and other ideas of evolutionary philosophers. Basic concepts of chemistry are presented in a simple and yet accurate manner, and physics concepts are applied to lasers, computers, and other electronic devices. [...] Biology: God's Living Creation--New Edition Truly nonevolutionary in philosophy, spirit, and sequence of study. Begins with the familiar, tangible things of nature with special emphasis on the structure and function; and concludes with God's amazing design at the cellular and chemical level. Ties abstract concepts to concrete examples through clear, easy-to- read explanations. Lays a firm foundation for future studies in chemistry, physics, and other fields while teaching students the Christian perspective of science. With the academic knowledge gained in the text, students will also find a greater appreciation for God's physical creation and an increased interest in science. Lists key concepts at the head of each chapter, Includes pronunciation helps, key-words in bold, vivid photographs, and full-color diagrams. Includes section reviews and a chapter review for each chapter to reinforce learning and help students prepare for tests. Includes a set of TransVision overlays of the human body to show at a glance the anatomical relationships of the body's systems. Investigates such fields of study as botany, zoology, microbiology, physiology, cytology, genetics, and ecology. Reflects the latest advances in man's understanding of living things without neglecting a foundation in the basics. These people are mad Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Debunking bullshit is a thankless task. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Sanity prevails
Biology: God's Living Creation--New Edition Truly nonevolutionary in philosophy, spirit, and sequence of study. Begins with the familiar, tangible things of nature with special emphasis on the structure and function; and concludes with God's amazing design at the cellular and chemical level. [...] What?!! No text book that corrects those awful heresies about the earth being round and revolving around the Sun? But doesn't the Bible speak of the for corners of the Earth? And didn't Joshua make the Sun stand still in the sky? Don't we have to take those things literally? I mean, isn't it all the literal word of God. I'm shocked that they aren't refuting those evil Compernican Heresies. Olin - Original Message - From: William T Goodallmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: Re: Sanity prevails On 16 Aug 2008, at 17:29, Bruce Bostwick wrote: One of the articles I saw on this mentioned that at least one of the textbooks in question (the one quoted as saying if (scientific) conclusions contradict the Word of God, the conclusions are wrong) was published by Bob Jones University. Those would definitely seem to be the same guys. It's worth noting that the entire *curriculum* taught by fundamentalist-based schools and homeschooling systems (most of them use the same curriculum, in most cases either A Beka or PACE) is considered so substandard by accredited university standards that most fundamentalist Christian school courses aren't accepted for credit in accredited universities. This is a widespread enough problem that there is a whole parallel economy of fundamentalist-affiliated universities like Regent, Bob Jones, Liberty, and others, and even alternate track *accreditation* for those universities (since their *own* courses are often not accepted for transfer to mainstream universities, likewise for the reason that most of them are so appallingly substandard as to not be worth the paper they're printed on), just to provide a secondary education for the kids unfortunate enough to have been dragged through a fundamentalist K12 program. It's a huge problem, and is very much underreported in this country. From the A Beka Book website: World History and Cultures in Christian Perspective This well-researched text stands on the conviction that God is the Creator of the world and the Controller of history. The text builds a solid foundation of ancient history, tracing man's history back to the Garden of Eden. It gives a fine presentation of neglected Asian and African cultures in a unique ancient-to-modern style, helping the students to recognize other peoples and cultures. An in-depth study of the Greco-Roman culture lays the groundwork for an exciting section on medieval history. The last section brings the student to the very doorstep of current history and vividly depicts world events in light of God's master plan. Since man's actions are a product of his thoughts, the history of ideas is emphasized, rather than only political events and economic conditions. Students are given a Christian perspective on language, chronology, prehistoric times, art, music, revolutionism, evolutionism, socialism, Communism, humanism, liberalism, and much more. Colorful maps, time lines, illustrations, and photographs help to make the study of history both interesting and rewarding. [...] Science of the Physical Creation Atmosphere, weather, oceanography, earthquakes, volcanoes, rocks, and fossils are just some of the earth-science topics of this outstanding text. The geology section includes a good refutation of the principle of uniformity and other ideas of evolutionary philosophers. Basic concepts of chemistry are presented in a simple and yet accurate manner, and physics concepts are applied to lasers, computers, and other electronic devices. [...] Biology: God's Living Creation--New Edition Truly nonevolutionary in philosophy, spirit, and sequence of study. Begins with the familiar, tangible things of nature with special emphasis on the structure and function; and concludes with God's amazing design at the cellular and chemical level. Ties abstract concepts to concrete examples through clear, easy-to- read explanations. Lays a firm foundation for future studies in chemistry, physics, and other fields while teaching students the Christian perspective of science. With the academic knowledge gained in the text, students will also find a greater appreciation for God's physical creation and an increased interest in science. Lists key concepts at the head of each chapter, Includes pronunciation helps, key-words in bold, vivid photographs, and full-color diagrams.
Governments...
www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08152008/profile.html www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2008/08/michael_winship_andrew_bacevic.html Chris Frandsen “While all other sciences have advanced, government is at a stand; little better practiced now than three or four thousand years ago.” John Adams http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071010221130AAnrFCf This is why I keep trying: http://www.smartvoter.org/2006/11/07/ca/la/vote/mann_j/ I could use some help setting up my greensm.org site. Jon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Governments...
And better practiced in his day than in ours! Despite his flirtation with an Act that's becoming our governmental standard. http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:49:22 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Governments... To: brin-l@mccmedia.com www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08152008/profile.html www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2008/08/michael_winship_andrew_bacevic.html Chris Frandsen “While all other sciences have advanced, government is at a stand; little better practiced now than three or four thousand years ago.” John Adams http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071010221130AAnrFCf This is why I keep trying: http://www.smartvoter.org/2006/11/07/ca/la/vote/mann_j/ I could use some help setting up my greensm.org site. Jon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Alien and Sedition Acts:
From: Pat Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] And better practiced in his day than in ours! Despite his flirtation with an Act that's becoming our governmental standard. http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/sedition/ Jon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Alien and Sedition Acts:
On Aug 17, 2008, at 2:58 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: From: Pat Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] And better practiced in his day than in ours! Despite his flirtation with an Act that's becoming our governmental standard. http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/sedition/ Jon Of which the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 survives today as USC 50 §21-24. It's still legally in force. (It was cited as one of the precedents for the USA PATRIOT Act, I believe.) http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/21-24.html Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety. And you've got to ask yourself, if no one on the internet wants a piece of this, just how far from the pack have you strayed? -- Toby Ziegler ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: usma1969-forum: USMA in the News: More Bacevich
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Chris Frandsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI, a classmate and friend, Skip Bacevich was interviewed by Bill Moyers on PBS. Here is a link to the broadcast. He says some tough things but I think he speaks the truth. www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08152008/profile.html www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2008/08/michael_winship_andrew_bacevic.html Thanks for posting this links. Bacevich seems like a terribly interesting guy. Where were you classmates? -- Mauro Diotallevi Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Don't drink and derive. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: usma1969-forum: USMA in the News: More Bacevich
Chris Frandsen wrote: FYI, a classmate and friend, Skip Bacevich was interviewed by Bill Moyers on PBS. Here is a link to the broadcast. He says some tough things but I think he speaks the truth. www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08152008/profile.html www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2008/08/michael_winship_andrew_bacevic.html Good stuff, some of which I've been saying here for years. I nearly stood up and applauded when he praised Carter's malaise speech. How prescient Carter was when he said: We are at a turning point in our history. There are two paths to choose. One is a path I've warned about tonight, the path that leads to fragmentation and self-interest. Down that road lies a mistaken idea of freedom, the right to grasp for ourselves some advantage over others. That path would be one of constant conflict between narrow interests ending in chaos and immobility. It is a certain route to failure. All the traditions of our past, all the lessons of our heritage, all the promises of our future point to another path, the path of common purpose and the restoration of American values. That path leads to true freedom for our Nation and ourselves. We can take the first steps down that path as we begin to solve our energy problem. (Whole speech: [ http://www2.volstate.edu/geades/FinalDocs/1970sbeyond/malaise.htm] It may be a fruitless exercise to wonder what the world would be like had we not turned down the first path when we shooed him out of office in 1980, but dammit, the guy was right and we should admit it and get back on track. Doug Fat Chance Maru http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2008/08/michael_winship_andrew_bacevic.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Sanity prevails
William T Goodall quoted: World History and Cultures in Christian Perspective This well-researched text stands on the conviction that God is the Creator of the world and the Controller of history. (...) and concluded: These people are mad Maru And yet, if _we_ are right (i.e., Evolution rulez), then _we_ are mad, because it seems that believing in nonsense is a reproductive advantage... Survival of the craziest Maru Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Sanity prevails
On Aug 17, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: And yet, if _we_ are right (i.e., Evolution rulez), then _we_ are mad, because it seems that believing in nonsense is a reproductive advantage... When the belief system itself is a meme which demands conceiving large numbers of children and raising them entirely within the meme's influence, by force if necessary, that by definition is a reproductive advantage, and rationality and awareness of the fragility of the environment our species depends on for its survival become disadvantages. The mad ones will win, at least up to the point where they themselves cannot survive on the planet they've made uninhabitable .. A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -- attributed to Lazarus Long by Robert A. Heinlein ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Sanity prevails
And yet, if _we_ are right (i.e., Evolution rulez), then _we_ are mad, because it seems that believing in nonsense is a reproductive advantage... Survival of the craziest Maru Alberto Monteiro No, it means that it had an advantage in the past, not that it still has survival value now. In our evolutionary past, belonging to a small, xenophobic group that shut out outsiders and was run by tough authoritarian leaders probably did have survival value and the groups who distrusted the world and set themselves off from it prospered. The closed belief system served to keep them unified in the face of outside threats, and prompted obedience in a world where taking time out to think too much might have been fatal. But that isn't true anymore, and that same behavior, hardwired into the genes, can be maladaptive in today's world. Just like a taste for high-fat food was beneficial when we were hunter gatherers and that kind of food was scarce -- you ate as much of it as you could because who knew when you would see it again, and the calories would keep you alive. But in a world with a McDonald's on every corner that same taste, that kept our ancestors alive can kill us. These kinds of insular, tribal belief systems, that create tight little pockets of delusional thinking and cut their believers off from the outside world, are the same thing. In an increasingly interconnected and crowded world they do not have survival value. They make these people a threat to themselves and everyone around them. - Original Message - From: Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiromailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Sanity prevails William T Goodall quoted: World History and Cultures in Christian Perspective This well-researched text stands on the conviction that God is the Creator of the world and the Controller of history. (...) and concluded: These people are mad Maru And yet, if _we_ are right (i.e., Evolution rulez), then _we_ are mad, because it seems that believing in nonsense is a reproductive advantage... Survival of the craziest Maru Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-lhttp://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: usma1969-forum: USMA in the News: More Bacevich
On Aug 17, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: Good stuff, some of which I've been saying here for years. I nearly stood up and applauded when he praised Carter's malaise speech. How prescient Carter was when he said: We are at a turning point in our history. There are two paths to choose. One is a path I've warned about tonight, the path that leads to fragmentation and self-interest. Down that road lies a mistaken idea of freedom, the right to grasp for ourselves some advantage over others. That path would be one of constant conflict between narrow interests ending in chaos and immobility. It is a certain route to failure. All the traditions of our past, all the lessons of our heritage, all the promises of our future point to another path, the path of common purpose and the restoration of American values. That path leads to true freedom for our Nation and ourselves. We can take the first steps down that path as we begin to solve our energy problem. I'm just about to finish Whose Freedom by George Lakoff, so my head is full of comparisons of the (neo-)conservative world view and its stern father definition of Freedom and the progressive world view and its nurturant parent definition, so the timing of both the Bacevich interview and the reminder of Carter's Malaise speech is spot on for me. The third sentence in the Carter quote above is a clear depiction of the conservative form of freedom from any restrictions on grasping as much for oneself an advantage over others. Since (conservatives understand) the free market system is nothing but pure competition, and winners deserve what they get, because they earned it through their discipline and hard work, there is nothing wrong -- in fact, there is everything _right_ in grasping advantage over others. They are losers. They deserve nothing. Thanks for the links, Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
