Re: Brin: Arguing Doesn't Work: Fact Vs Belief

2010-11-15 Thread Matthew Bos
 New research suggests that misinformed people rarely change their
 minds when presented with the facts
 ? and often become even more attached to their beliefs. The
 finding raises questions about a key principle
 of a strong democracy: that a well-informed electorate is best.


 This is why it is futile to argue with religionists.


WTG wrote:

That is obvious.  Anyone who professes a belief in something unprovable 
(or provably false) is a denialist.

In light of this, what should we call people who do not have belief in C02 
based global warming?

Denier No Longer Maru,
Matthew




  

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Re: Brin: Arguing Doesn't Work: Fact Vs Belief

2010-11-15 Thread Dave Land

On Nov 15, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Matthew Bos wrote:


New research suggests that misinformed people rarely change
their minds when presented with the facts ? and often become
even more attached to their beliefs. The finding raises
questions about a key principle of a strong democracy: that a
well-informed electorate is best.


This is why it is futile to argue with religionists.


WTG wrote:


That is obvious.  Anyone who professes a belief in something
unprovable (or provably false) is a denialist.


In light of this, what should we call people who do not have belief in
C02 based global warming?


Doesn't that depend on why they do not have belief? If they could
cite evidence that CO2-based global warming is not happening, or
that (beyond anything like the specious it's just a theory, after
all smoke screen favored by Intelligent Design fans) there is
contrary data that puts it in question, then we'd call them
something other than mere denialists.

Dave


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Re: Brin: Arguing Doesn't Work: Fact Vs Belief

2010-11-15 Thread Dave Land

On Nov 15, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Matthew Bos wrote:


New research suggests that misinformed people rarely change
their minds when presented with the facts ? and often become
even more attached to their beliefs. The finding raises
questions about a key principle of a strong democracy: that a
well-informed electorate is best.


This is why it is futile to argue with religionists.


WTG wrote:

That is obvious.  Anyone who professes a belief in something
unprovable (or provably false) is a denialist.


Says the list's most tiresome dysangelist. Depends on what they deny,
doesn't it? There are religious believers who manage — to their
satisfaction, though not to yours (and why should they care?) — to
maintain their belief alongside acceptance of science and whatever else
it is that you imagine that they deny. Using the word denialist just
to call them names strips it of real meaning. Might as well call them
terrorists or communists or whatever other magic bad name is in
vogue at the moment.

Dave


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The Ben Bernank and the quantitative easing

2010-11-15 Thread John Williams
It's like watching a cartoon of train wreck...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-kfeature=player_embedded

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