Dolphins uplifting each other in Australia?

2011-08-30 Thread Dave Land
Well, teaching each other how to fish, anyway:


http://news.yahoo.com/fish-catching-trick-may-spreading-among-dolphins-080748681.html

PERTH, Australia (Reuters) - Dolphins in one western Australian
population have been observed holding a large conch shell in
their beaks and using it to shake a fish into their mouths -- 
and the behavior may be spreading.

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Re: Alcor

2011-08-30 Thread Keith Henson
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:00 AM,  Jon Louis Mann
 wrote:

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> I spoke to Diane and she referred me to an attorney in San Diego County, 
> whose practice is too busy for Alcor.  I'm trying to convince a friend who is 
> an estate planner to step up.  I have to write a will and make arrangements 
> to move to Oregon in the event I get a terminal illness.

Alcor may eventually put a perfusion facility in Oregon, but at the
moment, if you get something terminal, it's best to move to Phoenix.
Alcor has cooperative hospice organizations there.  People who quit
eating/drinking seldom take more than a week or ten days to meet the
legal requirements to be suspended.

> If I end up with something like Alzheimer's it would be pointless to freeze a 
> vegetable.

It depends on how much fine brain structure is lost.  We really don't
know how much is lost.  A lot of disseminated strokes might be even
worse.

> I've met some authors who believe in the afterlife.  R.A. Lafferty seemed 
> insulted when I was surprised to learn he was a devout Catholic and did not 
> wish to discuss it.  I have a great deal of respect and admiration for him.

That must have been some time ago.  Lafferty was certainly a unique author.

It's worth meeting the local cryonics suspension members.  There are
quite a few of them in the LA area.

Also, my wife used to help people get their suspension paperwork in
order.  Write me if you want to talk to her.

Best wishes,

Keith

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Re: Galileo was wrong!

2011-08-30 Thread Nick Arnett
The whole point of religion... depends a great deal on the person!  I
would complete the sentence in part by saying that religion helps me
live with what I know cannot be explained, fixed or understood. It
does seem that we are going through a time when an increasing number
of people are turning that around, using religion as a reason to deny
what is understood. A convenient "truth," to them!

This past weekend, I was contemplating the idea that religion, at its
best, nurtures elders who have the ability to hold opposing views
simultaneously, rather than being deeply defined by what they are
against. Both-and thinking instead of dualism, to put it another way.

Nick

On 8/29/11, John Garcia  wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Dan Minette  wrote:
>
>> >A few Catholics still insist Galileo was wrong - latimes.com
>>
>> It was a ROTFLMAO piece for me. It was really fun to see how both Notre
>> Dame
>> and the Vatican Observatory were in the "are these guy real?" mode. I gave
>> my first paper at a high energy physics symposium at Notre Dame, and saw
>> the
>> head of the Vatican Observatory and Steven Weinberg give a presentation on
>> Science and Faith together.
>>
>> It's funny, when you think about it.  A Protestant can rail against every
>> other church and found his own church.  But if you're an ultraconservative
>> Catholic, how in the world do you argue that the Pope is dead wrong on the
>> important issues?  Liberal Catholics can be anti-traditional, but how can
>> you be an ubertraditonalist that says tradition is horribly wrong. :-)
>>
>> Dan M.
>>
>>
>>
> Simple, you argue that he is not the real Pope, but an Anti-Pope ;-)
>
> john
> who had 12 years of Catholic education and always thought that Galileo had a
> raw deal
>

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