Re: For David Brin and the rest of you

2013-09-05 Thread ALBERTO VIEIRA FERREIRA MONTEIRO
David Hobby wrote: Or are you worried about energy being beamed down inefficiently, producing much more heat than just the amount from people using energy directly? No, even if it was possible to beam energy with 100% efficiency... it's still energy. It comes down, it must get out. If not,

RE: For David Brin and the rest of you

2013-09-05 Thread Pat Mathews
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 08:24:00 -0300 Subject: Re: For David Brin and the rest of you From: albm...@centroin.com.br To: brin-l@mccmedia.com David Hobby wrote: Or are you worried about energy being beamed down inefficiently, producing much more heat than just the amount from people

Re: For David Brin and the rest of you

2013-09-05 Thread David Hobby
On 9/5/2013 7:24 AM, ALBERTO VIEIRA FERREIRA MONTEIRO wrote: David Hobby wrote: Or are you worried about energy being beamed down inefficiently, producing much more heat than just the amount from people using energy directly? No, even if it was possible to beam energy with 100% efficiency...

Re: For David Brin and the rest of you

2013-09-05 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 9/5/2013 4:24:09 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, albm...@centroin.com.br writes: where the Mad Scientist tries to destroy the Earth by placing an enormous mirror or lens in orbit, concentrating solar energy? It's not in orbit; it's in London melting parked cars.

Re: For David Brin and the rest of you

2013-09-05 Thread David Hobby
On 9/5/2013 4:54 PM, Keith Henson wrote: The propulsion lasers to get the parts up to GEO at a cost where the whole thing makes economic sense, those are weapons, game changing weapons. And if I had to bet, it would be for them to be controlled by the Chinese. Keith Henson _ Now

RE: For David Brin and the rest of you

2013-09-05 Thread Dan Minette
It looks like a combination of Skylon, a project being developed in the UK and big propulsion lasers will get the cost to under $100/kg to GEO. Do you have any vidios of lasers holding up, say, a 10kg object, for 20 minutes and keeping it under control. This would be one of the easy

Re: For David Brin and the rest of you

2013-09-05 Thread Keith Henson
From: Pat Mathews mathew...@msn.com How much does it cost in energy as well as in dollars? Substantial. I figured this for an elevator and got that the elevator had a 3 day payback for the parts and the same for lifting. The calculated energy investment for a kW of capacity was paid back in