Re: Evony (was Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries)

2010-10-24 Thread Rceeberger

On 10/24/2010 4:06:59 PM, Lance A. Brown (la...@bearcircle.net) wrote:
 Rceeberger said the following on 10/22/2010 9:23 PM:
 
 I've been here...I read the conversations and more or less keep up.
  I just haven't had much worth adding recently.
  Mostly I spend my online time playing Evony, where I am the host of 
  Bavaria, a top 10 alliance on SS51.
  We use Skype in Bavaria so I can be found there pretty much every night 
  under Xponent.
  Drop by and chat sometime if any of you get a spare few.
 
 Evony?  Really?  I didn't
 think anyone actually played that game...
 
Apparently there are quite a few playing..thousands on my server alone.


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Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries

2010-10-23 Thread Rceeberger

On 10/23/2010 9:41:08 AM, Damon Agretto (damon.agre...@gmail.com) wrote:
 I played Evony for a while, until other powers decided to farm the crap
 out of my cities, and my alliance disintegrated while I watched. That
 pretty much killed any enjoyment I had from the game...
 
The thing about Evony that is maddening, you have to play every day and playing 
as many hours as you can provides  many bonuses. As it stands...I'm about to 
break 5 mil prestige and am prepared to dump nearly 3 mil honor on an enemy who 
deserves it.

Evony has been merging servers together for the last year, and the maps are 
larger than they used to be.

Which server did you play on?
I was on S72 when an alliance named ELITE was doing pretty much what you 
describe to us and anyone who stood up to them. We managed to fight back with 
some success which was surprising since ELITE was rife with botters and we were 
more or less outclassed.

Since then, we have learned a few tricks of our own. How to feed troops for 
free. How to move any troop at scout speed. How players can trade heroes. 
Learning how to exploit some of Evony's many bugs has helped a lot. Flash is 
kinda crappy, but their implimentation is especially bad.

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Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries

2010-10-22 Thread Rceeberger

On 10/22/2010 8:13:45 AM, Charlie Bell (char...@culturelist.org) wrote:
 On 22/10/2010, at 1:41 PM, Rceeberger wrote:
 
  One at a time please.
 
 
 
  Xponent
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  Rob
 
 LOL!!! Rob, I've missed you.
 
I've been here...I read the conversations and more or less keep up.
I just havent had much worth adding recently.
Mostly I spend my online time playing Evony, where I am the host of Bavaria, a 
top 10 alliance on SS51.
We use Skype in Bavaria so I can be found there pretty much every night under 
Xponent.
Drop by and chat sometime if any of you get a spare few.

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Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries

2010-10-21 Thread Rceeberger

On 10/20/2010 1:52:45 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hard to know if the quiet was due to trolling or some externality.
 
 It looks to me like this email list is usually quiet because the vast
 majority of the members have self-selected so that they have many of
 the same opinions. You do not get many interesting discussions that go
 X is good. 

X is very good. My entire alliance agrees!

I agree.

I'm gratified

 Me too.

Nice!

 Count me in. 

Okie Dokie

+1.

One at a time please.



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Inconstant Moon

2010-07-14 Thread Rceeberger
A little ditty Karl Haberl of Sun Microsystems whipped up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NSD1qtstOw

Hope you enjoy it.



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Re: Brin: Lesley's copy of Kiln People

2010-01-13 Thread Rceeberger

On 1/12/2010 4:13:29 PM, Nick Arnett (nick.arn...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:39 PM, David Brin db...@sbcglobal.net [link:
 mailto:db...@sbcglobal.net] wrote:
 Nick, if it consoles at all, I wish I grew up in a family as clearly tight
 and loving as yours must have been. Stay strong and thrive-all.
 
 
 
 We weren't always... and although there have been some rocky moments in the 
 last week, we are growing closer and learning to be more gentle with one 
 another than ever before.
 
 Nick

I'd like to take something I love and dedicate it to your family Nick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik8J9L5rJnc





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Re: Nomenclature (was) Chemicals R Us

2009-11-18 Thread Rceeberger

On 11/18/2009 7:00:59 PM, Ronn! Blankenship (ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net) 
wrote:
 At 11:58 AM Wednesday 11/18/2009, Deborah Harrell wrote:
 
 I'll bet there's a difference of wording -- 'organic chemistry' here
 primarily refers to petrochemicals; 'biochemistry' refers to
 life-related chemicals.  This is an incorrect terminology in my
 opinion, but I
 can't change what is taught in colleges...
 
 Debbi
 Words, Words - What Is Brain?! Maru  :)
 
 
 
 I agree with you.  Organic chemistry is the chemistry of carbon
 compounds.  Though usually with the omission of most metal
 carbonates, the chemistry of which is usually covered in the section
 on inorganic chemistry.  That's
 how *I* teach it in colleges, anyway.  ;)
 
 
 Just Don't Ask An Astrophysicist To Define Metals 'Cuz He'll
 Include Carbon As One Maru
 

Well why not?
Calcium is a metal too isnt it?


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Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-07 Thread Rceeberger

On 9/7/2009 4:06:38 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
  Your argument seemed to be:
 Money I pay in taxes
  is money I won't give to worthy charities. I
 didn't
  buy the ARGUMENT, for obvious reasons. That was not
  an attack on your views.
 
 It is not an argument, it is a statement of the truth.
 

So.you admit you hate America.



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Monopoles?

2009-09-06 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090903163725.htm


Perhaps they have finally found them.


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Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread Rceeberger

On 9/6/2009 7:45:14 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net
 wrote:
 
  Freedom of choice is never absolute.
 
 Especially when the government prevents people from providing free
 health care to others.
 
 http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=96009catid=2
 
 |
 We tried to get a waiver to bring in good ol' East Tennessee boys and
 | girls to fix teeth, do eyes, but unfortunately, except in Tennessee, the
 | rest of the country won't allow practitoners of medicine from one state
 | to cross over and help in another state,
 said Brock.
 
 
 Perhaps the best way for the government to start reforming health care
 would be to cease actively preventing others who want to help from
 providing help.
 
Seeand you can be stupid too.
It isn't the government. It is 50 (or 49 depending on how you are looking at 
the question) governments involved.


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Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread Rceeberger

On 9/6/2009 7:47:52 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  We do not tax everyone in the world, so they do not need to be
 considered as part of this discussion.
 
 We do not tax everyone in the US, so are you proposing not to
 provide health care to the about 50% of the US population that (net)
 does not pay taxes?
 
Name them.





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Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread Rceeberger

On 9/6/2009 7:59:34 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  It
 isn't the government. It is 50 (or 49 depending on how you are looking at 
 the question) governments involved.
 
 50 (or 49) times more reforms to start with before reforms involving
 taking more of people's
 money!
 
C'mon.finish the statementit does not end at money!.



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Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread Rceeberger

On 9/6/2009 8:11:40 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  On 9/6/2009 7:47:52 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
  On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
   We do not tax everyone in the world, so they do not need to be
  considered as part of this discussion.
 
  We do not tax everyone in the US, so are you proposing not to
  provide health care to the about 50% of the US population that (net)
  does not pay taxes?
 
  Name them.
 
 You mean name the bottom 50% of all taxpayers? I
 don't have enough
 space to do that in this email, but check the tables here, for
 example:
 
 http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
 
 In 2007, there was $1.115 trillion collected in federal income taxes.
 The top 50% of taxpayers paid $1.083 trillion, or 97.1% of taxes
 collected. The IRS tables I found don't
 break it down for the bottom
 50%, but obviously there is a percentile under 50, probably above 40,
 where there are no federal income taxes paid.
 
Snip

That is evidence that we maintain our civilization by maintaining people as a 
resource.
It does not follow that 50% do not pay taxes.


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Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread Rceeberger

On 9/6/2009 8:15:52 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net
 wrote:
 
  Beyond proposals, though, there is a very strong argument to be made
 that
  it's inhumane to simply leave people to die if they can't find
 insurance
  coverage to pay for medical care that costs hundreds of times what they
  could afford on their own.
 
 And what are you, personally, doing about it? Are you living in the
 cheapest apartment you can find, with no computer or TV or automobile,
 so that you can give more money and save several more people from
 dying?
 
 If you take money from me, you are leaving people to die:
 
 http://www.weforum.org/pdf/whitepaper.pdf
 | A child born in Niger today is 40 times more likely to die before
 | her fifth birthday than a child born in the United Kingdom.  A
 | 15-year-old boy in Swaziland has only an 18% chance of celebrating
 | his 60th birthday; if he had been fortunate enough to have been born
 | in Switzerland, he would have a 91% chance.  A young woman in Uganda
 | is 300 times more likely to die in childbirth than her sister in the
 | United States.  
Snip

Prove that you are actively supporting those people with every cent you can 
spare on par with what you suggest to Bruce.
You obviously have a computer, therefore you are a hypocrite.


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Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread Rceeberger

On 9/6/2009 9:36:53 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Ronn!
 Blankenshipronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net wrote:
  How about first addressing what you propose for everyone _in the U.S._
 who
  cannot afford such things (other than by going to the ER at the county
  charity hospital at a charge to _someone_ of something like $1K a
 visit?)
 
 Why are people in the US more deserving of my help than other
 people
 in the world?
 

Here's an idea:

Go live with them so you can help them more directly.


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Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread Rceeberger

On 9/6/2009 10:00:23 PM, Ronn! Blankenship (ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net) 
wrote:
 At 07:44 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, Rceeberger wrote:
 
 On 9/6/2009 7:16:21 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
   On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.
 net
   wrote:
If not, what exactly *do* you
propose as an alternative to public-option health care for people
 who
  
 aren't
fortunate enough to be able to afford health insurance that will 
actually
cover treatments?
  
   What exactly do you propose for everyone in the world who cannot
   afford basic health care such as childbirth assistance and infant care
   and vaccination?
 
 We do not tax everyone in the world, so they do not need to be
 considered as part of this discussion.
 
 The fact that you continually bring this up shows how dishonest,
 amoral, and corrupt your arguments are.
 
 xponent
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 rob
 
 
 
 I realize that you (and others) do it for emphasis, but such words
 don't
 really do anything to raise the level of discourse.
 

Used in such a context, they don't do much to lower it either.
John is a troll, why are people playing *his* game?


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Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread Rceeberger

On 9/6/2009 10:26:41 PM, Ronn! Blankenship (ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net) 
wrote:
 At 10:13 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, Rceeberger wrote:
 
 [snippety-doo-dah}
 
 John is a troll, why are people playing *his* game?
 
 
 
 Someone accused me earlier of trying to bring reasonable arguments
 into the discussion, and I guess I'm just too stubborn to stop trying . . . ;)
 
I don't fault you for trying, but this will soon have been going on for a year 
with nary a sign of intellectual honesty on John's part.
He is either a brainwashed minion or a troll and neither is worth a minute of 
time.

Let me say this clearly.
I'm all for banning him.
Or mass ignoring him.
Either will do.

Someone had to say it first.


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Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread Rceeberger

On 9/6/2009 11:10:38 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  I
 don't fault you for trying, but this will soon have been going on for a year 
 with nary a sign of intellectual honesty on John's
 part.
 
 I assure you, I am stating my thoughts honestly and sincerely.
 
  He is either a brainwashed minion or a troll and neither is worth a
 minute of time.
 
 The only troll I have seen on this list is you. I have repeatedly
 replied to your posts politely while you continue to personally insult
 me.

You insult my intelligence with your faux arguments.
I'm just being direct.
You are running a program.
Unfortunately it is a small program and is very repetitive.

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Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread Rceeberger

On 9/6/2009 11:39:43 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 
  You insult my intelligence with your faux arguments.
 
 No insult intended. And I assure you, my points are genuine.
 
  You are running a program.
  Unfortunately it is a small program and is very repetitive.
 
 I'm sorry you feel that way. Feel free to ignore my posts, I will not
 be offended.

Why do you hate America?


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Posted in a workcube

2009-08-30 Thread Rceeberger
I will not brew Decaf.
Decaf is the mind-killer.
Decaf brings the little sleep
that leads to total oblivion.
I will embrace my caffeine.
I will brew my beverages and
let them... flow through me,
and when they are gone,
I will remain...alert




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Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-29 Thread Rceeberger

On 8/29/2009 6:17:25 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
 
 My point was rather that Bernanke, and others like him, were invested
 in making the situation seem dire AND that unless there were swift and
 large government intervention, that the consequences would be
 inconceivable. After painting that picture, and intervening, Bernanke
 et al. then began proclaiming how their intervention had prevented
 such a calamity. All with no real proof -- in fact, the success of the
 whole scheme depends on there being no possible way to disprove their
 alleged genius and heroics --  but just scare tactics and bluster.
 

Or on the other hand, they did do a good job of it and people of your political 
stripe are invested in pretending that they did nothing of any worth.


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Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-29 Thread Rceeberger

On 8/29/2009 8:23:09 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
  Or on the other hand, they did do a good job of it and people of your
 political stripe are invested in pretending that they did nothing of any
 worth.
 
 Immense government debt, rapidly increasing with no end in sight, high
 unemployment, and the many of the large financial companies that
 caused the problems still operating because the government bailed them
 out. That does not look like a good job to me.
 
 Obviously the politicians will argue that unemployment would have been
 higher if they had not intervened, but there is no way to prove that
 either way. It could have been lower if they had not intervened. No
 one can know.

Utter bullshit, and I'm calling you on it.
If GM and Chrysler had gone out of business there would have been a wave of 
unemployment like we have never seen in our lifetime. There would have been no 
one to pick up all those unemployed in the short to medium term.

If Goldman and several other of the troubled financials had gone under, there 
would have been such a hole in the overnight paper market that the entire 
economy would have locked up AGAIN, like it did last September only this time 
it would have been for a significant length of time rather than just 4 hours.



 
 But two things can be known. Many of the companies at fault would now
 be bankrupt if the government had not intervened. And the government
 would have spent a lot less and be on the hook for hugely less if
 there had been no intervention.

Bankrupt like Lehman Bros.?

 
 The future would look a lot brighter now if government debt were a lot
 lower and companies that are known to invest recklessly and take
 taxpayer dollars when they screw up were no longer operating. If
 Bernanke had achieved that future outlook, then it would be a good
 job.

John.you filter the facts too selectively.
AFAIC, Bernanke did just good enough to skirt serious consequences in the short 
term. How this turns out over the next few years remains to be seen. We still 
have inflationary pressures to worry about and that is serious business.

I don't have any particular skills in economics or finance, but I was warning 
about this crisis coming over 2 years ago. I just listen to financial news for 
about an hour before work, but it seemed clear that bad times were coming.
I see another crisis coming. Here in Houston, in the Texas Medical Center, they 
are building bio-medical research facilities, and hospitals, and all over this 
region they are building hospitals and clinics like there is no tomorrow. The 
clinics are costing just a few millions each, but the hospitals and research 
buildings are each hundreds of million dollar facilities. There is billions 
being spent here in just one city/region and concentrated in a short time 
period. It seems like overkill and a significant portion is government funded 
(UTHS, UTMB, M D Anderson, Texas Childrens, The Heart Center, St Lukes and 
several others) From the building where I work I can see a dozen cranes and at 
home I can see (from my front door) at least 3 hospitals being built.
I forsee a major contraction after these facilities open, attracting talent 
from all over the nation, then stranding these folks when the cash dries up.
I really wonder what is going on.
Is anyone else seeing medical related construction on this scale in their area?

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Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-29 Thread Rceeberger

On 8/29/2009 10:10:54 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
  If GM and Chrysler had gone out of business there would have been a wave
 of unemployment like we have never seen in our lifetime. There would have
 been no one to pick up all those unemployed in the short to medium term.
 
 Or not. The system is much too complex to make these kind of
 off-the-cuff predictions. Most people are not even aware of the
 numbers involved. When the monthly employment net change numbers come
 out, and there is a change of +200K or -120K or whatever, the actual
 number of people who were hired in a new job or lost a job are much
 higher, in the millions. Compare gross jobs gained or lost in a
 quarter (often around 10million) to the number of people employed by
 GM or Chrysler. Then look at gross jobs for a year. People change jobs
 in the millions all the time. A complex economy like the US has a
 large churn rate, and it is nearly impossible to predict exactly what
 jobs will be created and destroyed even 1 year ahead.
 

You are so blinded by your political philosophy that you cannot even see what a 
ridiculous statement you just made. Either that, or you are completely ignorant 
or the realities of manufacturing.


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Placebos Are Getting More Effective

2009-08-24 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.wired.com/medtech/drugs/magazine/17-09/ff_placebo_effect?currentPage=1

A mind is a terrible thing.


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Re: Passive-Agressive posting (was Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market)

2009-08-18 Thread Rceeberger

On 8/18/2009 4:22:27 PM, Bruce Bostwick (lihan161...@sbcglobal.net) wrote:
 Yeah, Eliza and Parry could be quite entertaining if they talked to
 each other.
 
 Eliza and Racter could be too, but Eliza
 didn't get to say much in
 those conversations ..
 
 On Aug 18, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Patrick Sweeney wrote:
 
  It's
 kind of like playing with that old Eliza computer program. Anyone
  remember that?
 
 (Type mismatch error: expected boolean value but found string 'cake'.
 Input not parsed.)

The cake is a lie?


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Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-17 Thread Rceeberger

On 8/17/2009 8:04:00 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:38 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
 
  That doesn't really prove anything. For instance,
  a flame war would produce a large number of posts,
  but one could hardly call that communication.
 
 Of course it does not prove anything, but it is highly suggestive.
 While you no doubt have a different idea of flame war than I do, it
 is obvious that most of the posts in question are communication of
 some sort.

LOL!!
You have no idea what this list has been through over the years.
Your statement reads quite humorously.G


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Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-17 Thread Rceeberger

On 8/17/2009 8:48:30 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
  Your statement reads quite humorously.G
 
 That's great! Apparently there is a fine line between humorous and
 rude and sincere. Feel free to give my posts the benefit of the
 doubt...

Oh, you have received that particular benefit in spades.
Still here, right?


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Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-17 Thread Rceeberger

On 8/17/2009 11:03:58 PM, Trent Shipley (tship...@deru.com) wrote:
  No, when I say we in this context, I mean that we have in the past
 booted people from the list as a group in most cases. There being no one
 person in particular one can suck up to in order to avoid consequences, it
 behooves everyone to be generally inoffensive. A few people have been
 removed, a couple of them long term listees and one was a moderator here.
 We definitely are not queasy when it comes to pulling the pin.
 
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 Who was the moderator who got booted?
 
Remember JVB?


 Are you suggesting J.W. is near that limit?  I'm not nearly that ready
 to take offense yet.
 
No, but anyone who is in a spat on this list should be aware of the potential. 
It keeps all of us on better behavior.
Personally, I'd rather leave a list of my own accord than be forcibly removed 
from one.


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Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-17 Thread Rceeberger

On 8/17/2009 11:04:59 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:48 PM, xponentrobxponent...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
  But no, I do not give you the benefit of the doubt. I think I have you
 pegged as exactly the kind of intentionally obtuse person you appear to be.
 
 
 My apologies for not being as perceptive as you are.
 
  No, when I say we in this context, I mean that we have in the past
 booted people from the list as a group in most cases.
 
 So, is there is a vote of the 50 unnamed we people David referred to?
 

In such cases, yes.


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Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-16 Thread Rceeberger

On 8/16/2009 1:09:53 AM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
  It is worth noting that this guy is one of the most respected members
 on this list
 
 Decide that with a vote, did you?

One would have to be quite dense to not notice after over a decade on the list. 
Once again, your default position is to assume that others are stupid.
Do you actually think your feeble attempts to place others in a defensive 
position are not recognized for what they are?

 
 He seems rather a hot-head to me.

Normally Charlie is level headed and even tempered. Perhaps it was just an off 
day.

 I was going to ask him to explain
 what set him off, but evidently he would rather call me names and then
 stalk off then discuss it.

Normally, that would be my gig.


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Re: Torchwood: Children of Earth

2009-07-27 Thread Rceeberger

On 7/27/2009 7:42:51 AM, Alberto Monteiro (albm...@centroin.com.br) wrote:
 William T Goodall wrote:
 
  _Lost_ and _Fringe_ both return. _Lost_ was excellent last season
  and  I expect great things from the final season. _Fringe_ kicked up
  a gear  with the twists and revelations at the end of the first
  season so it  will be interesting where that goes.
 
 I never watched _Fringe_. It replaced _Terminator_ in the Warner
 Channel (which I find quite annoying: they keep chaning the times
 and days, even placing good shows on Sundays (!)), and then I
 switched to The Hentai Channel aka Animax, and now I am totally
 captivated by _Death Note_.
 
DeathNote just ended on The Cartoon Network here. Hopefully they will run the 
entire series again.
From my house it appears to be the best anime series ever.

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Re: Death Note and japanese music [was: Torchwood: Children of Earth]

2009-07-27 Thread Rceeberger

On 7/27/2009 5:49:57 PM, Alberto Monteiro (albm...@centroin.com.br) wrote:
 Rob wrote:
 
  DeathNote just ended on The Cartoon Network here. Hopefully they
  will run the entire series again.
  From my house it appears to be the best anime series ever.
 
 Two weeks ago, I kind-of made all my family watch one episode
 together. What was my surprise when, instead of
 emocore's song
 by Nightmare, the show began with the death-metal by Maximum the
 Hormone.
 
 Animax shows japanese videoclips every half hour. It's
 very
 interesting. Some bands are quite good - and they don't show
 in the mainstream videoclip channels.
 
 Alberto Monteiro
 
 PS: I will refrain from commenting too much on Death Note. The
 show is too good to be spoiled.

I have grown to love Maximum The Hormone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCGcNoAoq9s
Kind of a sidestory to Deathnote wherein a false MTH is killed by the Deathnote 
and the real MTH appears to finish the song. It's not deathmetal, it's kicking 
your ass over town hardrock.G

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Re: Whatcha reading? (was Re: In despair for the state of SF)

2009-07-14 Thread Rceeberger

On 7/14/2009 10:37:23 AM, Nick Arnett (nick.arn...@gmail.com) wrote:
 I've been reading so much lately... been thinking it's time to post some
 quick thoughts about recent readings and ask what others are reading, too.
 
 
 I just started The Caryatids by Bruce Sterling. Somewhat over the top
 in terms of apocalyptic technology, but I
 can't help liking the fact that it is set on the island of Mljet, Croatia, 
 where my namesake, great-grampa Nikolai Strazicich, lived.
 
 
 Mainspring by Jay Lake reminded me quite a bit of Anathem in tone - 
 religion and science fiction set in an older age. Goes much more mystical 
 than Anathem, however. A bit of a page-turner.
 
 
 Anathem struck me as somewhat desperate in its invention of language, but 
 it all made sense in the end. I'm
 not sure the book deserved to be so long, but on the other hand, I was
 never particularly tempted to give up on it. Stephenson knows how to keep
 the suspense up.
 
 
 Now my mind is going blank as I try to remember what else
 I've read lately... Well, it'll come to me and I'll post again.
 
 
 Nick

I'm in the middle of The Bridge by Banks. Just finished The Algebraist and 
Matter by the same with the M.
I really really liked Matter. It has I think supplanted Excession as my 
favorite Banks.
The Algebraist was real good also, if a bit less serious than the typical M 
novel.

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Re: Drinking Water From Air Humidity

2009-07-12 Thread Rceeberger

On 7/12/2009 1:53:34 AM, Charlie Bell (char...@culturelist.org) wrote:
 On 12/07/2009, at 3:42 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
 
  On Jul 11, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
 
  There are several devices to do this, some of them actually on the
  market. One is a wind turbine arrangement that produces around 10
  litres an hour (plenty for drinking purposes for several people!).
 
  Vaporators? My first job was programming binary load lifters. Very
  similar to your vaporators in most respects...
 
 *chuckle* Uh-huh.
 

Lol...the first time I saw Star Wars I kept seeing lifts from Dune too.

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Re: Google Operating System

2009-07-09 Thread Rceeberger

On 7/9/2009 11:15:40 AM, Bruce Bostwick (lihan161...@sbcglobal.net) wrote:
At the risk of being flamed, I might also point out that NASA has long  
since forbidden any primary functionality on ISS from running on  
Windows platforms because of stability concerns -- if it's onboard and  
actually has to do with life support, maneuvering, or station  
operations, it's running on Linux.  They only allow Windows for non- 
mission personal use and, in some cases, non-mission-critical  
experiment support.  That says a lot, to me.

I have to respond to this. I've worked at Mission Control at Johnson and have 
been in every single room in the building. Not kidding an iota.

What you say here is basically true, but misleading. There are Windows machines 
all over NASA and they are being used for your typical business applications. 
Nasa is extremely vested in UNIX because they are running Science 
applications on computers that predate the PC. (As you might guess there is 
some kludge around some of the older units) The ground floor of MSC is pretty 
much a giant room with hundreds of mainframes and those are the computers that 
are actually mission critical. The Linux machines are mostly special purpose 
machines designed to perform specific tasks and Linux is used because for nix 
interoperability and hardly any of this equipment approaches what you would 
call general purpose. It is quite similar to the 'nix cores being used in 
building management systems, used because it is easy to strip down to the 
needed essentials with no extra frills involved. It is these stripped down 
cores that actually do all the work for NASA because the simpler the design the 
greater it's reliability.


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Re: Google Operating System

2009-07-08 Thread Rceeberger

On 7/8/2009 8:06:20 PM, Doug Pensinger (brig...@zo.com) wrote:
 Mauro wrote:
 
 
 So, any early adopters planning on switching over when it ships? I'm
 willing to at least give it a hard drive partition.
 
 
 Me too. I refuse to use Explorer and would jump on a new OS from Google 
 especially.
 

I don't see how turning your PC into a dumb terminal could be considered an 
advance.
I'm not storing my stuff on Google's servers.
Regardless of their mantra, Google is kinda evil.


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The Hunt For Gollum

2009-07-02 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H09xnhlCQU

A fan made film of unbelievably high quality.
Freeking amazing!

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Green Brief 11

2009-06-27 Thread Rceeberger
For those who are interested:


http://iran.whyweprotest.net/news-current-events/3127-green-brief-11-a.html


I'm NiteOwl AKA Josh Shahryar - twitter.com/iran_translator on twitter - and 
I've been immersed in tweets from Iran for the past several hours. I have tried 
to be extremely careful in choosing my tweet sources. What I have compiled 
below is what I can confirm through my reliable twitter sources. Remember, this 
is all from tweets. No news media outlets have been used. (All my work is 
released under Creative Commons (CC). You can freely use it and repost it 
wherever you'd like to. Just provide a link to the original source at the 
bottom.) 

These are the important happenings that I can positively confirm from Saturday, 
June 27 in Iran.

1. Mousavi has rejected the Guardian Council's decision to look into 
discrepancies in only 10% of the vote. Mousavi has said that as he mentioned in 
two letters before to the GC, there are simply far too many irregularities for 
them to accept the election. A new one must be held in order to give people 
their voice back. 

2. A prominent supporter of Mousavi was forced to confess on national TV that 
protests were pre-planned and that they have broken laws. However, reports 
strongly indicate that the media had already pre-written the statements because 
they sounded far more official than a speaker can come up with impromptu. More 
and more protesters are being prepped through intimidation and torture to make 
confessions. 

3. Iran's paramilitary Basij are carrying out brutal nighttime raids, 
destroying property in private homes and beating civilians in an attempt to 
stop nightly protest chants, Human Rights Watch said today. Human Rights Watch 
also said the Iranian authorities are confiscating satellite dishes from 
private homes to prevent citizens from seeing foreign news.

4. Ahmadinejad warned the US of repercussions if it continues to meddle in 
Iranian affairs. He also sent out a message to the people saying that the days 
of liberal democracy were over. (In the sense that no more reform and change 
against Islamic law will be allowed to take place.) He warned that in the next 
4 years he will take a tougher approach. This happens while Ahmadinejad's first 
deputy, Parviz Davoudi, was denied a US visa by the US State Department. 
Iranian ambassador to the UN blamed the US government for it. 

5. At the same time, a government spokesperson blatantly accused other 
countries of meddling in Iranian affairs and instigating the current protests 
and violence. Fatemeh Rajabi, spokesperson  symbol of women in Ahmadinazhad's 
government in a separate statement also called Mousavi and Khatami the faces of 
corruption in the country.

6. The Guardian Council commission on investigating 10% of the vote was 
rejected by Mousavi today. He said that 10% was not enough and the elections 
have to be annulled. He added that an impartial commission should be set up to 
help arbitrate the issue. The other two candidates also didn't send 
representatives to the commission. This is after the commission was criticized 
by others - including a prominent MP and Mahdi Karoubi - for being too 
one-sided and the investigation of irregularities in only 10% of the vote 
insufficient. This is while the GC yet again called the elections the 'best in 
Iran's history so far'. 

7. Javan newspaper - which is closely linked to the IRG - has reported that 
instigators of violence and the forces behind the protests have been 
identified. According to Javan, a group of actors were involved and this group 
created flyers and statements! It accused these individuals - 15-20 people 
according to Javan - of hiring thugs and distributing weapons that were used in 
violence. It also reported the arrest of three prominent Iranian film 
personalities. 

8. Tehran's district attorney stated that he didn’t know how many people have 
been arrested so far but that he had met several at Evin Prison. The detainees 
are continuously under mental  sometimes physical torture. IRNA reported that 
Iran banned Mousavi’s ally Abolfazl Fateh from leaving the country. It is being 
reported that it's possible that the fate of the people that have been arrested 
would be known by the end of the week. The name of the girl who was shot in 
Baharestan and died later in the hospital is reportedly Sheler Khezri.

9. Amnesty International confirms on CNN: people disappearing from hospitals. 
Hundreds of people missing. Amnesty International asked the Iranian authorities 
to immediately release dozens of journalists who are at risk of torture in 
detention. The UN also asked the government to prevent further violence and 
bloodshed. More people were arrested today including journalists and bloggers 
as well as other people of some clout in the Iranian society. Karoubi's 
newspaper, Etemade Melli's chief editor was asked to appear before a court. 

10. Today a group of people including women's rights activists 

RE: Iran

2009-06-22 Thread Rceeberger

On 6/22/2009 7:36:48 PM, Dan M (dsummersmi...@comcast.net) wrote:
 
  Things do not look overly promising for the protesters, but if they
 manage
  to make it through tomorrow without their heads being cracked Iranian
  public sentiment may swing decisively in their direction. It really
  depends on how hard the Supreme Ayatollah swings back at them.
 
  We should see by morning.
 
 Well, it's the next day, and I don't see any resolution.  I think that
 the
 splits in the leadership are promising, though small.  But.the best
 organized force is the Revolutionary Guard, and they appear to be
 fanatical.
 I'd guess, if push came to shove, they wouldn't mind killing
 thousands to
 keep orderand I don't see anyone standing up to them in a fight.
 
I wouldn't be so quick to judge.
Reports from inside Iran say the Guard is split and mostly inactive. The Army 
is similarly. The police have been ineffective because they won't shoot their 
own countrymen. That is why most of the violence has been committed by Basiji 
and Arab imports (such as Hezbollah and some Afghan Taliban with possibly some 
Russians thrown in according to rumor) Many of the people committing violence 
are non-Farsi speakers and that is a solid indictment of the gravity of the 
situation.
The Council of Experts is split and the Ayatollahs seem to be waiting for 
Khamenei to commit an irrevocable fuckup before they move. Many Mullahs are 
going to the protests themselves and making pronouncements on behalf of the 
protestors. A Revolutionary Guard General was arrested for refusing to fire on 
protestors. Rafsanjani's daughter was arrested for attending a protest.
The longer this continues the better it gets for the protestors I think. The 
general trend seems to be favoring them.
Amedinajad is pretty much irrelevant ATM. It really hinges on Khamenei and what 
he does, which I expect will be screwup because he really isn't much more than 
a hack/wonk in the overall picture and I don't think he is skilled enough to 
wiggle out of the crack he has gotten himself into.

A national strike is being called (starting today). How that goes will 
determine the course and success of this revolt.

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RE: Iran [News]

2009-06-22 Thread Rceeberger
From a website run by Anonymous (the group):
http://iran.whyweprotest.net/news-current-events/1966-green-brief-6-niteowl.html

The Green Brief #6 - NiteOwl 


Please retweet this link. I'm Josh Shahryar AKA NiteOwl - iran_translator on 
twitter - and I've been immersed in tweets from Iran for the past several 
hours. I have tried to be extremely careful in choosing my tweet sources and 
have tried maximally to avoid listening to media banter. What I have compiled 
below is what I can confirm through my tweets to have happened in the past day 
and in the past week in Iran. Remember, this is all from tweets. There is 
NOTHING included here that is not from a reliable tweet. No news media outlets 
have been used in the compilation of this short brief as I would like to call 
it.

These are the important happenings that I can positively confirm from Monday, 
June 22 in Iran. (If I cannot positively confirm, I have indicated that I 
can't.) 

1. Protests were held throughout Tehran today. The main protest was held at 7 
Tir Square where 3-5 thousand people gathered to remember and mourn Neda - the 
protester killed on Saturday. However, soon hundreds of IRG, police, Basij and 
plainclothesmen gathered and violently tried to disperse the protesters. It 
took hours to disperse all the protesters. The security forces used batons and 
fired tear gas shells as well as firing weapons in the air. Dozens of people 
were injured, including many women. Helicopters were flying over Tehran for the 
second day. There were also reports of helicopters firing tear gas shells at 
people - they have not been fully confirmed. 

2. There was also a gathering of about 1,000 people in Valiasr Avenue, meeting 
security forces who sparked a confrontation. It was not as violent as the one 
on 7 Tir, but many people were injured there as well. There was a huge rally 
held by Ahmadinejad's supporters at Valiasr for his victory speech. The 
participants were mostly people from the provinces, children and older 
Iranians. There were also a large number of government employees. 

3. News of protests around the country was not relayed through tweets much 
today; however, sources confirmed that at least some rallies and protests were 
held in Tabriz where protesters met with violent attacks by the security 
forces. Later in the night as people chanted Allah o Akbar from the rooftops, 
there were reports of clashes in northern and western Tehran between protesters 
and security forces. Chants of Allah o Akbar also echoed across the country. 
Candles were lit throughout the country in memory of protesters that have been 
killed so far. The number of confirmed deaths stands close to 50 now and there 
have been more than a thousand injured. 

4. Sources claim that the government is considering expelling some diplomatic 
missions because they've helped protesters or are accused of masterminding the 
unrest. The government earlier in the day alleged that the US had paid 400 
million dollars to people in order to organize unrest in Iran. They also blamed 
the UK and Germany - saying the latter was coaxed into taking action by Israel 
- how Israel manages to coax other countries was beyond our sources. The 
Guardian Council has now announced that there were 3 million extra votes cast. 
Other information is unreliable at this point or various sources exist. 

5. The government is actively trying to suppress news from getting out. BBC and 
Al-Arabiya's correspondents were told to get out in 24 hours, twitter sites are 
being hacked, people are being tricked into getting out late at night by others 
chanting in the streets who are actually Basijis and the spread of spam and 
propaganda on twitter. The government has also established dozens of sites with 
pictures of protesters, asking people to identify them. At least two of these 
sites that were based abroad have been taken down by hackers sympathetic to 
Iranians today. 

6. There are sporadic reports coming in from Qom at this point. Sources claim 
that Rafsanjani who was in Qom has had meetings with clerics inside Qom. It has 
been also reported - but not confirmed - for the past three days that Ayatollah 
Montazeri has declared a three days' mourning period. It likely is a hoax 
because it has not been confirmed by anyone. What can be confirmed is that the 
Council of Combatant Clerics - which includes in its members Rafsanjani and 
Nateq Noori - have backed the protesters. 

7. Hamzeh Ghalebi, head of Mousavi's youth headquarters and Reza Homaye, 
another reformist and backer of Mousavi, have been arrested. There have been 
arrests of numerous other reformists and backers of Mousavi, Karoubi, Noori and 
Rafsanjani. The total number of people that have been arrested is still 
anyone's guess. Reports indicate somewhere between five and ten thousand. 

8. Tuesday has been declared a national strike by Mousavi and his 

Iran

2009-06-19 Thread Rceeberger
My My it has been a busy week.
I've twittered in support of Iranian democracy.
DDOSed Iranian government websites.(ended up quitting that since it was bad for 
their network and hence causing problems for the people I wanted to help).
Tried to give helpful suggestions. (I'm probably one of the very first people 
to change my location to Tehran 
-3:30)
Taunted IRG network security thugs (Is it true that the IRG is the worlds 
largest all homosexual army?)(ya gotta hit em where it hurts emGThey are 
such punks)
And generally tried to keep up with the news from over there.

Things do not look overly promising for the protesters, but if they manage to 
make it through tomorrow without their heads being cracked Iranian public 
sentiment may swing decisively in their direction. It really depends on how 
hard the Supreme Ayatollah swings back at them.

We should see by morning.


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Fan Made Green Lantern Trailer

2009-05-25 Thread Rceeberger
http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/

Worth a look.
You'd almost think it was a real trailer til you notice the Star Trek footage.



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Re: Will Brain Augmentation be considered Cheating?

2009-05-14 Thread Rceeberger

On 5/14/2009 12:03:43 PM, Chris Frandsen (lear...@mac.com) wrote:
 Our society considers using hormone enhancement for improving physical
 performance cheating. 

Only during contests.

Will we treat brain enhancement the same way?

Only during contests.

 How about the Chinese, Japanese and Russians? Is this the new arms
 race? I suspect, yes, but it will probably be our grandkids worrying
 about it.
 
 http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227083.700-will-designer-brains-
 divide-humanity.html?full=trueprint=true
 
 Probably will start with prosthetics here in the US.
 http://www.darpa.mil/dso/thrusts/bio/restbio_tech/revprost/index.htm
 
 May we learn something new today!
 

We are approaching a singularity crossing. Keep both arms inside the carriage 
and hang on for dear life.


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Eden Of The East

2009-05-09 Thread Rceeberger
I've been watching (via bittorrent) a new Anime, Eden Of the East. It's the 
best new anime I've seen since Death Note. The art is really really good and 
the story has me wanting to know more.

Note to Alberto, you may be interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eden_of_the_East

First Episode:
http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/anime/watch/v18302947knkP22cN#watch%3Dv18211731MGYjpRCm



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Re: Uplift Universe question....

2009-05-08 Thread Rceeberger

On 5/8/2009 10:22:00 AM, Nick Arnett (nick.arn...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Leonard Matusik nanotreasu...@yahoo.com
 [link: mailto:nanotreasu...@yahoo.com] wrote:
 ... though the initial Uplift of Earth was a rogue undertaking... accomplished
 by Wolflings far removed from the conventional wisdom of the Galactic
 Community... and that term 'Wolfling'... what did Brin mean by that?
 (...and did the Tibrini represent Baloo the Bear?. lmao/tiny...)
 
 I imagine the Chimps of the Uplift universe were heavily reg/bonobo
 hybrids.. esp considering the scene in the chimp bar...
 
 
 
 According to Wikipedia (a reliable source for over 200 years, according to
 Wikipedia):
 
 
 Dogs [link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog] have been mentioned as a possible 
 client of Humanity in several books, but their final adoption has not been 
 confirmed. 
 
 
 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EarthClan#Neo-Dogs [link: en.wikipedia.
 org/wiki/EarthClan#Neo-Dogs]
 
 
Seems like a lot of work to me.
Dogs are just not that bright to begin with, at least compared to other species 
that did get uplifted.
I would think Swines would be easier.

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Re: Death Note [was: Weekly Chat Reminder]

2009-04-23 Thread Rceeberger

On 4/23/2009 7:27:31 AM, Julia Thompson (deg...@chiba.3jane.net) wrote:
 On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:
 
  But here it's not broadcast on normal channels, but on the
  cable-channel Animax (aka The Hentai Channel :-) )
 
 The Hentai Channel?
 
 I have a friend who would be *extremely* interested in that
 

Not available where prohibited!

You can't hardly get fanservice in the USA.


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Re: Weekly Chat Reminder

2009-04-22 Thread Rceeberger
- Original Message - 
From: Alberto Monteiro albm...@centroin.com.br
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Weekly Chat Reminder


 
 The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over ten
 years. (...)
 
 BTW, about the chat we had two weeks ago, I think I know the
 confusion about Heroes. What I was calling Season 4 (not aired
 nowhere) was the Book 4. Book 3 finished a long time ago, I
 think they are showing Book 4, but I missed all episodes, since
 I thought they were reprising.

Next weeks episode is the season finale.
And the seasons are divided by Volumes. Next Monday is the finale for Volume 
4 *and* Season 3.

 
 OTOH, right now my favourite series is the Anime Death Note -
 I don't miss an episode.
 
I've seen the whole series and the movies based on the series. They are 
excellent!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-SpNRR8FZk
Opening theme for season 2 by Maximum the Hormone.
Irony: This song is the only occasion I hear the word fucker used on TV and 
it is on a cartoon network.

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Re: Death Note [was: Weekly Chat Reminder]

2009-04-22 Thread Rceeberger

On 4/22/2009 7:27:55 PM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro 
(albm...@centroin.com.br) wrote:
 Rceeberger wrote:
 
  OTOH, right now my favourite series is the Anime Death Note -
  I don't miss an episode.
 
  I've seen the whole series and the
 movies based on the series. They are
  excellent! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-SpNRR8FZk
  Opening theme for season 2 by Maximum the Hormone.
  Irony: This song is the only occasion I hear the word fucker used on
 TV
  and it is on a cartoon network.
 
 But here
 it's not broadcast on normal channels, but on the cable-channel
 Animax (aka The Hentai Channel :-) )
 
 I'm
 still on Season 1, so no spoilers please.
 

How many episodes have you seen?
I assume you have met L if you have gotten in far enough to be hooked.

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Is it time to legalize Marijuana?

2009-04-19 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/04/why-marijuana-legalization-is-gaining.html

I think the time may be coming, but I don't think it is now.
There are plenty of rational reasons to legalize or decriminalize, but I don't 
see the electorate suddenly doing the math and adding their opined weight in 
with the liberals and libertarians. Not this year at least.

BTW, the Constitution and the Declaration are not written on hemp paper, they 
are written on parchment.


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Solar Sats go mainstream

2009-04-14 Thread Rceeberger
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10218788-54.html


Ok Keithlooks like the time is coming!


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Canadians find vast computer spy network

2009-03-28 Thread Rceeberger

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE52R2HQ20090328

Someone in China is doing some hacking and spying.

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Freeman Dyson on climate

2009-03-26 Thread Rceeberger

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html?pagewanted=1_r=2hp

Worth a read. Dyson is a Global Warming skeptic with an interesting take on 
the subject.


Remember brinl brinl if you don't have an account for NYT.


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NQSFW The funniest Ann Coulter joke ever!

2009-03-24 Thread Rceeberger

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/03/family-guy-ann-coulter-simpsons.html

A small tour of the Fox news Offices.


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Re: Quiet

2009-03-18 Thread Rceeberger


On 3/18/2009 6:00:38 AM, Charlie Bell (char...@culturelist.org) wrote:

On 18/03/2009, at 1:07 PM, William T Goodall wrote:

 since the Taliban imposed censorship on the list.

Eh?
Don't recall censorship. Just stop being annoying and posting
entire articles without comment.


 Stone me Maru

*lobs a rock at WTG*

Not really been in the mood to post much, myself. But the mood is
improving here in Victoria. We went to the Sound Relief concert at the
MCG on Saturday, where both Split Enz AND Crowded House played. Oh,
and the Environment Minister Peter Garrett decided he'd
sing a few
songs. Which was *AMAZING*.



Was it this AMAZING?:
http://showhype.com/video/adam_lambert_top_11_ring_of_fire/


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Lets do it

2009-03-04 Thread Rceeberger

10 Surprising Health Benefits of Sex

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/features/10-surprising-health-benefits-of-sex

When you're in the mood, it's a sure bet that the last thing on your mind is 
boosting your immune system or maintaining a healthy weight. Yet good sex 
offers those health benefits and more.


That's a surprise to many people, says Joy Davidson, PhD, a New York 
psychologist and sex therapist. Of course, sex is everywhere in the media, 
she says. But the idea that we are vital, sexual creatures is still looked 
at in some cases with disgust or in other cases a bit of embarrassment. So 
to really take a look at how our sexuality adds to our life and enhances our 
life and our health, both physical and psychological, is eye-opening for 
many people.


Sex does a body good in a number of ways, according to Davidson and other 
experts. The benefits aren't just anecdotal or hearsay -- each of these 10 
health benefits of sex is backed by scientific scrutiny.




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Hitler gets Watchmen spoilers

2009-03-04 Thread Rceeberger

Yup.SPOILERS:

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/04/hitler-finds-out-abo.html

But it is sooo damn funny!



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RE: On the Housing Market

2009-02-25 Thread Rceeberger


On 2/24/2009 11:22:40 PM, Dan M (dsummersmi...@comcast.net) wrote:

 Thanks John!
 Those were pretty much the kinds of arguments I was seeing in 2006-2007
 that
 made me anticipate the bubble bursting.
 Do you see the correction lasting 12 - 18 months or perhaps longer?


I
won't argue with the basic premise, because I saw it too...especially for
the coasts, NV, etc,


Sure, those areas were what tipped me off that something was up, though to 
be honest, I anticipated the bubble bursting only in the highly priced areas 
with the rest of the country riding it out mostly unmolested. I saw the loan 
problems as being a parallel situation and never expected such a dramatic 
implosion.




but I have found that it is more expensive to live in a
1350 sq. foot apartment that's
not as nice as my house than it would be if I
bought my old 2950 sq. foot house at the price I sold it, paid 20% down,
and
lost the interest on the down payment money.  This figures in all the
costs
of maintenance, the but not the 400 sq. foot of storage for furniture
and
books and stuff that we are storing until we move to wherever Teri gets a
call.


Down on the far south side of town, also on the pricey side of real estate, 
1000 sq ft runs $800 - $1000 depending on how nice the appointments are.  Of 
course there is a price level above and one below, depending on ones income 
bracket.





On the whole, up on the north side of Houston,
it's cheaper per sq. ft. per
year to own than to rent.  I think that's
very unusual for the US, so I
think Houston is just below the live because of expensive downtown
rentalsif we weren't hoping to leave soon, it wouldn't make sense to
rent.

Right now houses in Clear Lake are quite inexpensive. Prices are way down 
from 2005 levels. 10 - 20 percent in many cases. When I was first 
recognizing the bubble, I noticed a lot of billboards advertizing homes in 
the 400-500K range and I wondered who in the hell were buying these homes. I 
still have no idea.


For John, one of the better real estate sites I visit is HAR.com


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Re: On the Housing Market

2009-02-24 Thread Rceeberger


On 2/24/2009 1:05:34 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/02/house-prices-real-prices-price-
to-rent.html



Thanks John!
Those were pretty much the kinds of arguments I was seeing in 2006-2007 that 
made me anticipate the bubble bursting.

Do you see the correction lasting 12 - 18 months or perhaps longer?


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On the Housing Market

2009-02-22 Thread Rceeberger

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-housing-chart-thats-worth-1000-words-2009-2

Housing prices may still have a ways to fall.



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Re: Australian Fires and Floods

2009-02-09 Thread Rceeberger

On 2/9/2009 3:54:44 PM, John Garcia (john...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:23 PM, sendai sen...@iicx.net wrote:

  Euan Ritchie wrote:
   It was almost a perfect storm for fire conditions.
  
  
  
 I'm 1,500 miles downwind and was reminded of the end to The Sheep Look
   Up last night when I thought I could smell faint burning on the air.
  
 
  I felt the same... I woke at ~2am, and I smelt burning outside. I looked
  up the local file listings and saw that they hadn't
 been updated since
  Friday. I then checked the wind and synoptic-charts from the past few
  days and saw that it was feasible that the winds from down there had
  brought with it dust and smoke... I still don't see any bush-fires or
  large-fires listed here, so it was either a bonfire or psychosomatic.
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 New York Times reports 173 dead, hundreds homeless, and that the fire may
 have been set.

 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/world/asia/10australia.html

 good luck to all down under

 john

There are towns in southern Australia where they won't let people back in, 
due to the numbers of bodies still lying in the streets. These towns are all 
quite rural, and there is just no way any governmental entities could be 
prepared for such a death toll over a broad area.
I really feel for their Prime Minister. Regardless of his politics, his 
humanity shows as he is completely lost for words and trying to hold back 
tears. (Watching news from there is hard, they have so much pain to deal 
with.)
Australia always stands with and by us though all sorts of ordeals. Anyone 
know of a good way an American can be helpful?

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Australian Fires and Floods

2009-02-08 Thread Rceeberger
Repeating the call-out on the Culture list.
Are our Aussie friends doing OK?
We worry for you.



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Re: Br#n: Startide Movie?

2009-02-03 Thread Rceeberger

On 2/3/2009 4:05:22 PM, Mauro Diotallevi (diotall...@gmail.com) wrote:
 Ah, thanks.  I haven't been as connected lately and thought I might
 have missed something.  Cheers.


Wellit was several years ago, but Trevor Sands was a listmember for a 
while during the writing of the script.
Real nice guy who had interesting ideas.
It was a fun time on the list, with several of us thinking to write some 
mosaic fanfic telling a story that occurs after Startide on Kithrup. But it 
all sort of fell apart after a while, we never quite found our footing.

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Flatland - The Movie

2009-01-31 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.flatlandthemovie.com/

This flew right under my radar. Anyone seen it?
I really loved the book, it is a treasure.


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Re: Flatland - The Movie

2009-01-31 Thread Rceeberger

On 1/31/2009 6:59:32 PM, Ronn! Blankenship (ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net) 
wrote:
 At 06:38 PM Saturday 1/31/2009, Rceeberger wrote:
 http://www.flatlandthemovie.com/
 
 This flew right under my radar. Anyone seen it?
 I really loved the book, it is a treasure.
 
 
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 Wonder if there are any plans to re-make it in 3-D . . .


Heh!
Turns out there are 2 films currently available that were made in the last 
couple of years.
I'm investigating them at the moment.


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Bill Hicks on Letterman **This Friday**

2009-01-28 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/01/28/this-friday-on-letterman-bill-hicks/

15 years after Bill Hicks' death, the famous segment cut from Letterman's 
show will be shown.
Hicks was quite bitter that this monologue was cut and he died 5 months 
later of cancer at 32 years of age.
If you remember Hicks, this will be well worth watching.



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Re: Tweetsnet beta

2009-01-24 Thread Rceeberger

On 1/23/2009 9:46:54 PM, Nick Arnett (narn...@mccmedia.com) wrote:
 The social network analysis
 I've been doing on Twitter turned into a new
 site called Tweetsnet (http://tweetsnet.com) that shows web pages that are
 hot topics on Twitter.  It's
 a blog, with a feed.  It updates every 10
 minutes or so with the five highest scoring, previously unpublished, web
 pages being talked about.
 Each post shows the page title, summary and keywords (as tags) if
 available,
 and frequent two-word phrases that appear in conjunction with the
 page
 citations.


Good work Nick!
That is the kind of site that could get a surprising amount of traffic.


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Re: Galactic Effect On Biodiversity

2009-01-24 Thread Rceeberger

On 1/24/2009 3:07:57 AM, Charlie Bell (char...@culturelist.org) wrote:
 On 24/01/2009, at 10:53 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:

  On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Charlie Bell
  char...@culturelist.orgwrote:
 
 
 
 It's closer to the first example you suggest than the second, but
  it's
  part of a general trope of less-good science writing that pitches
  every new minor spin on science as rewriting the whole body of theory
  that is really starting to wind me up.
 
 
 
 I'll bet you were happy, as I was, to hear applause when Obama said
  We will
  restore *science* to its rightful place...

 Oh yes, absolutely. And he's
 made a fantastic start, IMO. Choices I
 applaud on the most part for his Cabinet, and his early moves to
 reverse some of the constitutional disarray of the last 8 years fill
 me with hope again.

 I'm not sure that most Americans realise how this election has
 affected people all over the world.


Charlie, (heck, any non-Americans reading this!) do you see it as a question 
of Obama is a great man who will set America on a better course or 
America has finally come to it's senses, or perhaps some other train of 
thought?
It is exceedingly difficult to judge exactly what the rest of the world 
thinks about the election of Obama. It could be a more singular reasoning 
and it could be a variety of reasons that people are applauding (or in some 
cases sighing relief). I've read a good number of articles on the subject, 
but don't see a definitive common thread.


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Cattalica

2009-01-23 Thread Rceeberger
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6798/af20907621cbf76cee7547eco9.jpg

Heavy Metal Cats



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Portal Gun

2009-01-22 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30109...@n03/sets/72157612758626401/



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Galactic Effect On Biodiversity

2009-01-22 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2007/07/the-milky-way-c.html


Horoscope enthusiasts will be happy to hear that a grand cosmic force does 
indeed seem to be responsible for controlling the direction of all life on 
Earth. However, this grand cosmic cycle has more to do with extinction than 
finding a tall, handsome stranger.
Earlier this year, research revealed that the rise and fall of species on 
Earth seems to be driven by the undulating motions of our solar system as it 
travels through the Milky Way. Some scientists believe that this cosmic 
force may offer the answer to some of the biggest questions in our Earth's 
biological history-especially where evolution has fallen short.

Researchers at the University of California, Berkeley found that marine 
fossil records show that biodiversity increases and decreases based on a 
62-million-year cycle. At least two of the Earth's great mass 
extinctions-the Permian extinction 250 million years ago and the Ordovician 
extinction about 450 million years ago-correspond with peaks of this cycle, 
which can't be explained by evolutionary theory.

Earlier this year, a team of researchers at the University of Kansas came up 
with an out-of-this-world explanation for the phenomenon. Their idea hinges 
upon the fact that stars move through space and sometimes rush headlong 
through galaxies, or approach closely enough to cause a brief cosmic tryst.

Our own star moves toward and away from the Milky Way's center, and also up 
and down through the galactic plane. One complete up-and-down cycle takes 64 
million years- suspiciously close to the Earth's biodiversity cycle.

Once the researchers independently confirmed the biodiversity cycle, they 
then proposed a novel mechanism whereby which the Sun's galactic travels is 
causing it.

It's no secret that the Milky Way is being gravitationally pulled toward a 
massive cluster of galaxies, called the Virgo Cluster, which is located 
about 50 million light years away. Adrian Melott and his colleague Mikhail 
Medvedev, speculate that as the Milky Way rushes towards the Virgo Cluster, 
it generates a so-called bow shock in front of it that is similar to the 
shock wave created by a supersonic jet.

Our solar system has a shock wave around it, and it produces a good 
quantity of the cosmic rays that hit the Earth. Why shouldn't the galaxy 
have a shock wave, too? Melott asks.

The galactic bow shock is only present on the north side of the Milky Way's 
galactic plane, because that is the side facing the Virgo Cluster as it 
moves through space, and it would cause superheated gas and cosmic rays to 
stream behind it, the researchers say. Normally, our galaxy's magnetic field 
shields our solar system from this galactic wind. But every 64 million 
years, the solar system's cyclical travels take it above the galactic plane.

When we emerge out of the disk, we have less protection, so we become 
exposed to many more cosmic rays, Melott has said.

The boost in cosmic-ray exposure may have a direct effect on Earth's 
organisms, according to paleontologist Bruce Lieberman. The radiation would 
lead to higher rates of genetic mutations in organisms or interfere with 
their ability to repair DNA damage. In this way, the process could lead to 
new species while killing off others.

Cosmic rays are also associated with increased cloud cover, which could cool 
the planet by blocking out more of the Sun's rays. They also interact with 
molecules in the atmosphere to create nitrogen oxide, a gas that eats away 
at our planet's ozone layer, which protects us from the Sun's harmful 
ultraviolet rays.

Richard Muller, one of the UC Berkeley physicists who co-discovered the 
cycle, said Melott and his colleagues have come up with a plausible galactic 
explanation for the biodiversity cycle.

If future studies confirm the galaxy-biodiversity link, it would force 
scientists to broaden their ideas about what can influence life on Earth. 
Maybe it's not just the climate and the tectonic events on Earth, 
Lieberman said. Maybe we have to start thinking more about the 
extraterrestrial environment as well.







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The Hunt For Goldilocks

2009-01-22 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2007/05/goldilocks_plan.html

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2007/04/1st_habitable_p.html?cid=109278512

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2007/05/dead_zones_in_t.html

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/02oct_goldilocks.htm



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The Whole World

2009-01-20 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/20/AR2009012002411.html

Excerpt:

Nairobi


Crowds of students -- future doctors, politicians, engineers and others --  
gathered hours early on the sprawling green lawn of Nairobi University, 
where three big screens were set up to broadcast the inauguration of Barack 
Obama, whose father was Kenyan.

The mood was celebratory. Homeboyz Entertainment, a group of deejays, would 
be on later. Red, white and blue ribbons were tied to big white canopies. 
Vendors sold postcards of Obama and the words, I do solemnly swear. A 
young man walked around hoisting a homemade sign that read: From Black 
Power to Barack Power.

Engineering students Ntabo Maranga and Wycliffe Ogega said they felt a sense 
of relief that the day had finally come. Like many young Kenyans, they said 
they identify more with Obama than with their own aging political class, 
which they hoped Obama would shake up by example.

His election has already offered a great challenge to leaders here, through 
his values, said Maranga, 27.

In particular, students said they hoped Obama would shame politicians into 
rising above tribalism.

When people speak of Obama, we don't say he's Luo Obama, said Ogega, 27, 
referring to Obama's Kenyan ethnic group. We say he's Kenyan. We hope he 
will help us see each other as Kenyans instead of certain tribes.

A group of young women studying for an exam in diplomacy echoed that idea.

We hope he'll be able to straighten out some politicians of this country --  
give them a straight deal on issues like graft, said Judith Ngandoki, 27, 
who is studying for a master's degree in international relations.

Not far away, Kadiro Ganemo, an Ethiopian immigrant, suggested that such 
hope stretches beyond Kenya.

He's not just for Kenya -- he's for the whole world, said Ganemo, 28, who 
is not a student but joined the celebration because he didn't want to watch 
alone at home.

He confessed that he had not believed Obama could be elected, given the 
racism that exists in the United States. When the results came in, he said, 
he cried, as he expected he would again later Tuesday. Maybe Africans can 
unite like people in the U.S., he said.


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Re: airliner ditches in hudson river

2009-01-15 Thread Rceeberger

On 1/15/2009 4:01:48 PM, John Garcia (john...@gmail.com) wrote:
 a US Airways Airbus A320 went down in the Hudson River near the USS
 Intrepid
 after a bird strike
 crippled the engines

 http://wcbstv.com/breakingnewsalerts/us.airways.crash.2.909535.html

 john
 you can't make this up maru

Man..those people onboard were extraordinarily fortunate, and that pilot 
amazingly good!


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Number 6 is dead

2009-01-14 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-patrick-mcgoohan15-2009jan15,0,3951859.story



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Re: Number 6 is dead

2009-01-14 Thread Rceeberger

On 1/14/2009 9:12:05 PM, John Garcia (john...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Rceeberger rceeber...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
 
  http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-patrick-mcgoohan15-
 2009jan15,0,3951859.story
 
 
 
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 he wasn't a number, but a free man.
 
 RIP
http://www.amctv.com/videos/the-prisoner-1960s-video/

You can watch the old series free.and get a look at the remake.

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Pentagon installs LED lighting

2009-01-10 Thread Rceeberger
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10134721-54.html

Take that! CFLs!!




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Tesla Bluestar

2009-01-10 Thread Rceeberger
Tesla Roadster = Blackstar
Tesla Model SO = Whitestar
Proposed Tesla family vehicle = Bluestar


http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10049993-54.html

Tesla Motors has received many accolades for producing an all-electric 
luxury sports car. But its long-term plans may hold its most challenging 
task: making a mass-market electric car.
The company intends to make a family car that it hopes will lead to the 
sale of millions of all-electric vehicles, JB Straubel, Tesla's chief 
technology officer, said Wednesday. He spoke earlier on a panel on green 
transportation at the EmTech 2008 conference here.

Code-named Bluestar, the car has been part of Tesla's plans for a few years. 
Tesla Chairman Elon Musk earlier this month was quoted as saying that the 
goal is to produce a car priced in the $20,000 to $30,000 range, possibly in 
partnership with other automakers.

Next out of Tesla's factories will be the Model S, a luxury sports sedan 
with a price tag of about $60,000 due out at the end of 2010.

From the same technology base, Tesla intends to develop a series of vehicles 
including a minivan, coupe, and light pick-up truck which could be used in 
fleets, Straubel said.

Technology from that Model S line may also make its way into the follow-on 
Bluestar line, he said.

It could use the same or similar architecture, and we may partner with an 
existing OEM (original equipment manufacturer) to leverage their scale, 
Straubel said. (But) lower cost is the target.

The goal is to be able to produce hundreds of thousands of these cars per 
year, he said. Leveraging existing technologies, such as its battery pack 
and powertrain, would help speed development.

With Bluestar, we're looking at cost and lowering the overall expense to 
the user. If it's not cost-competitive (with oil), you are going to have a 
hard time scaling to a high level, Straubel said.

China and other fast-growing economies could be good markets for the 
Bluestar, he said.

Straubel said Tesla welcomes more electric car variants to the market, such 
as the Chevy Volt and Chrysler's recently announced line. The introduction 
of these cars and the release of the Tesla Roadster have helped changed the 
image of electric vehicles as golf carts.

But he said that Tesla's all-electric technology, as opposed to a plug-in 
hybrid with a battery and internal combustion engine, gives it certain 
advantages.

The smaller battery in plug-in hybrids translates into more charging cycles, 
which means that they will need to be replaced sooner.

You lower the wear and tear as you make batteries bigger. Also, you're 
pushing the envelope with bigger batteries and taking a bigger technology 
leap, he said.

Straubel said there are different motivations for interest in electric cars 
but energy security--a desire to reduce imported oil--seems to be the 
biggest driver, ahead of environmental concerns.

Our goal is to change the transportation energy mix. To do that, you need a 
meaningful volume of cars, he said. A family car is one market that means 
scale.

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Metric Conversions

2009-01-08 Thread Rceeberger
http://xkcd.com/526/


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Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?

2009-01-05 Thread Rceeberger

On 1/5/2009 12:26:56 PM, Bruce Bostwick (lihan161...@sbcglobal.net) wrote:
 Probably true, but
 don't let the Canadians hear you say that .. :D ..
 Hey, you, down in the States, take off, eh?!  Hoser!
 
 (Bit of a sensitive subject up there, I hear.)
 
 On Jan 5, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Dan M wrote:
 
  I know Canada is almost a suburb of the US, with most of the
  population living within 100 miles of the US (and most living south of
  Duluth MN, where I grew up).
 

http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/

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Brin : Former Brineller makes good

2009-01-05 Thread Rceeberger
I waited for someone else to mention this after seeing it on the Culture 
list.

Former listmember Gord Sellar got a story in Years Best Science Fiction, 
26th annual edition
for his story:

LESTER YOUNG AND THE JUPITER'S MOONS' BLUES, Gord Sellar (Asimov's, July 
2008)

Good going Gord

http://www.asimovs.com/aspnet_forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1143Page=3



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Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics

2009-01-05 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.physorg.com/news150388964.html

An apple and an anti-apple might not fall at the same rate.



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1-1-09

2008-12-31 Thread Rceeberger
Happy New Year






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ElectricMotoUnicycle?

2008-12-20 Thread Rceeberger
http://greenupgrader.com/1307/the-uno-electric-motorcycle-or-motorunicycle/

Ingenuity!


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Re: It's confirmed: Matter is merely vacuum fluctuations

2008-11-30 Thread Rceeberger

On 11/30/2008 2:26:19 AM, Ronn! Blankenship ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
 At 08:25 PM Saturday 11/29/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:

 (Although to be fair, classical mechanics does sum up pretty well what
 we see on our scale.
 It's just right for the wrong reasons, is all. :)



 Why is it for the wrong reasons?  Some would say that if it leads
 to predictions which match the observations closely enough to be
 useful, it's
 good enough, at least in the limited range of
 observations of interest where it is applicable (our scale), and
 matching or not matching observations of reality is all that makes a
 model right or wrong.  No one except a theoretical physicist is
 going to devote such huge amounts of computation time to a real world
 problem where classical mechanics gives a good enough answer to
 predict frex whether a building will stand or fall or whether a space
 probe will successfully land on Mars or crash or miss the planet
 entirely . . .


Actually, I think you are both right in some respects.
All of our maths concerning physics (to any degree) are no more than 
approximations. It just depends on how exact an answer you require to solve 
a problem reliably.
If physics were anything more than approximate, we would have final answers 
to all our questions.

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RE: It's confirmed: Matter is merely vacuum fluctuations

2008-11-30 Thread Rceeberger

On 11/30/2008 5:30:23 PM, Dan M ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Rob wrote:

  If physics were anything more than approximate, we would have final
  answers to all our questions.

 How?  All physics does is model observations.

Models make predictions. And over time models have made predictions with 
greater accuracy and that cover more situations that previous models failed. 
Mercury anyone?

Models also allow us to re-create phenomena for our own purposes.

 Physics was created out of
 Natural Philosophy by tabling the question of the reliability of
 observations.

Which definition of tabling are you using here?


 Now, you can use the results of physics as a reliable model of what we
 observe when you do metaphysics.  But, it is a really really good idea to
 not confuse when you are doing physics and when you are doing something
 else.  Otherwise you can wander off into the aether. :-)


G I think the implication of what I wrote before is that for most of us 
there really isn't much of a difference.
I would think it quite different when having a formal discussion.

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RE: It's confirmed: Matter is merely vacuum fluctuations

2008-11-29 Thread Rceeberger

On 11/29/2008 11:50:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Original Message:
 -
 From: Rceeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:04:20 -0600
 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
 Subject:
 It's confirmed: Matter is merely vacuum fluctuations


 http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16095-its-confirmed-matter-is-merely-v
 acuum-fluctuations.html

 Matter is built on flaky foundations. Physicists have now confirmed that
 the apparently substantial stuff is actually no more than fluctuations in
 the quantum vacuum.

 It's
 unfortunate that the New Scientist tend to tack on its metaphysical
 interpretation onto pretty good science when it reports on new physics.
 Perhaps that's the only way to grab laymen, I don't know.

 As I mentioned in my last post, this idea in QCD dates back to when I was
 a
 grad student.  The work that was described was pretty good stuff, so I'm
 not insulting the physicist.  But, the energy involved in the interaction
 between quarks must be mass, so there is nothing earth shattering here.

 But, like doing a QED calculation of, say water, and coming up with what 
 is
 observed, this massive computational work is well worth doing, and the
 first ones to get it done deserve acclaim for getting it done.

Agree with what you are trying to say.
I think that as a magazine, NS is trying to engage lay folk and other 
scientists whose expertise doesn't extend very far into QM. For most of us 
the metaphysics *is* the important aspect of QM.
It helps us to work out the nature of reality and what it means to exist.

For we, the dummiesG, it is difficult to hold on to the ideas of 
simultaneous existing/non-existing, objects frothing out of nothing, or 
matter mostly being not there in any sense that doesn't stagger one's common 
sense and bring it to it's knees whimpering and moaning. QM is destructive 
to much of the rules one has ingrained as soon as one learns to walk, it 
just seems to go against all that one sees in day to day life.

The rules are of course, oversimplifications based on limited observation 
from a limited viewpoint, but for those of us who lack the time to learn the 
maths and pour over the datas, the metaphysics are all we have to hold on 
to.
We can understand philosophy much easier than maths, they are easier for us 
to discuss and digest.

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It's confirmed: Matter is merely vacuum fluctuations

2008-11-28 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16095-its-confirmed-matter-is-merely-vacuum-fluctuations.html

Matter is built on flaky foundations. Physicists have now confirmed that the 
apparently substantial stuff is actually no more than fluctuations in the 
quantum vacuum.


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Treasury Dept Mistakenly Bails Out Sperm Bank

2008-11-25 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.crystalair.com/content.php?id=12200811014


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Re: European bank failures

2008-11-24 Thread Rceeberger

On 11/24/2008 2:37:47 PM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  Ah,
 I'm very tired of me doing virtually all the leg work in this
  discussion. I try hard to look up data, you typically list articles 
  (with
  little more data that I provide personally) of libertarian economists.
  That's
 why I wanted to talk about technique, and I suppose why you
 aren't
  interested in it.

 This attitude is typical of people who think they know better how to
 spend other people's
 money. They
 can't be bothered to provide even
 minimal justification for why they know how to spend other people's
 money better, then they try to change the subject.


It ain't your money and it never was. It is our money and you just get a 
share of it.
If you cannot deal with the consensus and that some aspects of life will be 
determined communally because you drank the kool-aid of the myths of 
individuality, then you will just have to live with the fact that people 
laugh at you.
G

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The Empire Of Dumpling

2008-11-24 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.esquire.com/features/dean-kamen-1208

On the genius and what he is up to these days.



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Re: How Government Stoked the Mania

2008-11-16 Thread Rceeberger

On 11/16/2008 2:13:10 PM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:51 AM, xponentrob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  The other problem, one that is often overlooked over here, is that this
  situation is basically occurring worldwide.

 As should be quite clear by now, all global markets are linked. Supply
 and demand knows no national boundaries. The credit crisis and drop
 in stock markets occurred worldwide. It is not hard to see how
 artificially increasing the demand for housing in the US can have
 global effects. Besides the low interest rates which contributed to
 the increased demand, and which are obviously a global phenomenon, US
 politicians do not have an exclusive on bad policy decisions.

  a more likely place to look for the origin of this disaster is
 multinationals.

 Certainly plenty of non-US corporations invested in securities and
 bonds which were directly or indirectly backed by the US housing
 market.
[snip]
Here are some interesting graphs:
http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/long_post_on_fannie_and_freddie_with_graphs.php


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Re: Taking responsibility (was Re: How Government Stoked the Mania)

2008-11-16 Thread Rceeberger

On 11/16/2008 3:42:06 PM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  By what metric(s)?

 Over a trillion dollars stolen in the last few months, for one.

I think you need to clarify which trillion dollars you are referring to 
here. There are a few that you could be talking about.



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Re: Ask the Next Question Q---

2008-11-15 Thread Rceeberger

On 11/15/2008 11:55:20 AM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 Did you make any posts predicting the housing crisis before, say,
 2004?

I don't recall having posted about this onlist, but it has been on my mind 
for a few years as being a serious problem w/consequences.

What got me thinking about it in the first place was news about housing 
prices in California and New York City. I found it astounding that home 
prices in those places could be at such variance with what I saw in the 
local market. I understood the demand arguments, but didn't find them too 
convincing.
Then, I discussed the situation with people who had moved here from 
California. They were selling Cal. homes and moving here into homes well 
beyond their means (and then bitching about property taxes).
Frex: One guys dad had bought a Cal. home for 70K back in the 70's and sold 
it in 2003 for over 1.5M.
To me, that was a sign of an unsupportable bubble, and led me into further 
thinking about the local market.

The home I grew up in cost my parents 11K in 1958. In 1977 my Mom sold it 
for 33K even though the neighborhood was already in a downward slide 
(becoming a poor persons neighborhood). Now I would guess you couldn't touch 
the house for less than 60K(I just looked up some homes in the 'hood and its 
more like 85K) even though it is basically a slum. This tells me that there 
is something seriously wrong with the housing market. And the market here is 
quite favorable compared to many other areas of the country. (I think Dan 
could speak about this with more authority off the top of his head.)

My current thinking is that the whole real estate market is basically a 
pyramid scam where players make profit in the long term off of boom and 
bust cycles, and in the short term off of speculation. (I'm not positing 
grand conspiracies, just greed greed gred) I'm not much of a 
proponent for regulation in this case, but I don't see any market forces 
that are strong enough to offset or even oppose the greed function. At the 
least, for decades we have been hammered with the idea that real estate 
prices will *always* increase. But why should they when the intrinsic value 
of a property has decreased?

Now the bubble has burst, and in some places prices are decreasing. But it 
isn't because the homes are deteriorating, or gangs infest the local parks, 
or the schools are failing, or city services have been diminished, it is 
because the credit market is suffering. And that tells me the entire system 
is broken.
(Note: Locally, home prices are holding steady or increasing. Correct me if 
I am wrong here)

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Re: Ask the Next Question Q---

2008-11-15 Thread Rceeberger

On 11/15/2008 2:40:44 PM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Rceeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  On 11/15/2008 11:55:20 AM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 wrote:
 
  Did you make any posts predicting the housing crisis before, say,
  2004?
 
  I don't recall having posted about this onlist, but it has been on my 
  mind
  for a few years as being a serious problem w/consequences.

 I hazard a guess that the reason you did not post is one of these:

 1) You were not certain enough of your prediction to risk that other
 people might act on it

 2) You did not care enough to help others with your insight

It is such cynical and sarcastic statements that makes you appear to run 
Asshole as a native app.
Not trying to be insulting, just an observation on why you catch so much 
flak. You remarks here were uncalled for and if you are trying to draw my 
ire..try harder.


 Or perhaps none of the above.

Probably. It is not like this mailing list is a compendium of my every 
thought or belief.
I've been here for 10 years or so, and have discussed many things. I even 
started all that Maru stuff a few years ago. There is no master Brin-L list 
of everything in the universe that we tic once a conversation gets underway.

Then, one must also consider that I have no expertise in this subject, just 
some observations based on what I know from the news and the experiences of 
people I know. I try not to start such a conversation, laden with ignorance 
or potential ignorance on my part. I tend towards pragmatism in that 
respect.G

 But whatever the reason, it is a good
 example of the difficulty of regulating markets.

Regulation is always a balancing act, but then so is running a business.


 If the government were good at predicting these things, then I think
 what should be done is to convey the predictions and warnings to the
 public, and let people act on them as they see fit. [snip]

By the same token, if business were good at predicting things (without 
constantly lying about it), they should be spreading the word in order to 
self-regulate. You know there is nothing keeping them from taking their data 
back to the regulators in order to get change when conditions warrant. And 
then it would be a matter of public record rather than self-serving 
polemics.
Of course, this never happens because business gets it's pool of experts 
from the same place government does.
And business does not embrace the concept of enlightened self-interest to a 
degree that would allow it to be self-regulating, thereby making a need for 
government regulation superfluous.

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Re: Ask the Next Question Q---

2008-11-15 Thread Rceeberger

On 11/15/2008 7:50:42 PM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Rceeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  Then, one must also consider that I have no expertise in this
 subject, just
  some observations based on what I know from the news and the experiences
 of
  people I know. I try not to start such a conversation, laden with
 ignorance
  or potential ignorance on my part. I tend towards pragmatism in that
  respect.G

 So, the reason you didn't post your prediction is because you didn't
 consider it reliable enough to share. Which was my number 1 guess, by
 the way.

Off the mark.
You said: 1) You were not certain enough of your prediction to risk that 
other
 people might act on it
I don't really care that anyone would act on *my* understanding of a 
situation. Not my problem.

It is that subjects where the volume of knowledge is large and my own 
understanding is limited are not subjects where I pretend to have an opinion 
that can be taken as fact, and would prefer to listen and learn rather than 
speak out. It has nothing to do with making predictions.that is for 
blowhards and other idiots who think Christmas tree lights have smart DC 
transformers built in. Dig?

That is part of the point I was making. There are those like
 you, then there are others who share their predictions even though
 they are no good (either they know that and do it anyway, or they
 think their predictions are better than they are). The number of
 people who consistently make good predictions is very small, and they
 rarely share their predictions.

In any predictive setting there will be uncertainty based on the quality of 
data and the lack of necessary data.
No one can judge the need for data if they do not have it and don't know 
that they need it, or even know it exists.
It is what you don't know that hurts you.



  By the same token, if business were good at predicting things (without
  constantly lying about it), they should be spreading the word in order
 to
  self-regulate.

 And they do. Businesses set prices and make deals in markets.


So.you are saying that the market *intentionally* caused this burst 
bubble?
That they intentionally lost a trillion in stock value?
If so, your polemic places you squarely in the drown it in the bathtub 
set.

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Re: Ask the Next Question Q---

2008-11-15 Thread Rceeberger

On 11/15/2008 10:35:11 PM, Euan Ritchie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  Surely you can give a single example to support your claim that Bush
  deregulation  was responsible for the subprime mortgage crisis.

 It's fairly obvious it all began with private investment banks going
 public in the 1980's
 and shifting liabilities onto shareholders.

 Since then it's been a steadily increasing land slide of increased risk
 in an environment of decreasing regulation as apparent wealth creation
 has been trumpeted widely while the increasing fragility of ever
 leveraged debt remained hidden.

 Both Republican and Democrat administrations were blinded by the
 proclaimed profits, and everyone (and there were quite a few) who warned
 of the dangers was simply ignored because the big players pooh poohed
 them. What most failed to notice was the incentives the big players had
 to ignore reality - it not being their wealth they were risking.

I'm sure that is all quite true, but I think it begins earlier.
(Please correct me if I get the facts wrong here)
About 50 years ago a home would cost 10-15K, you put 40% down and paid it 
off in 10 years.
The idea that real estate would *always* increase in value set in and land 
and home prices increased at a rate that allowed people to think of their 
property as an investment.
Over the intervening period wages did not keep pace with the rising land 
values.
So soon, lenders were forced to change their practices. At first 20% down 
and 20 years to pay and so on til you have 0% down and 30 or more years to 
pay.
In light of rising property values, lenders had little choice but to give 
more liberal loans if they wanted to keep lending money for homes and land. 
Buyers had to accept longer term loans if they wanted to buy a home.

So basically, it didn't matter all that much what government policies were, 
eventually we were going to come to this bubble burst one way or the other. 
(Though I must say that there is an implication of government complicity 
since rising real estate prices mean higher property tax revenues)
Why this death spiral was not being discussed years ago is beyond me. 
Perhaps it is similar to an economic singularity. No one could see what was 
on the other side, and so averted their gaze.

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Re: Ask the Next Question Q---

2008-11-15 Thread Rceeberger

On 11/15/2008 11:00:14 PM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Rceeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  It is that subjects where the volume of knowledge is large and my
 own
  understanding is limited are not subjects where I pretend to have an
 opinion
  that can be taken as fact,

 As I said, I got it in number 1.

  So.you are saying that the market *intentionally* caused this burst
  bubble?

 Intentionally? No. That would require everyone to act together on the
 same bad information. The sort of thing that government interference
 tends to cause.

Since market information is not filtered through the government but through 
the market itself, exactly how does that work?

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Re: Ask the Next Question Q---

2008-11-15 Thread Rceeberger

On 11/15/2008 11:43:53 PM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Rceeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  Since market information is not filtered through the government
 but through
  the market itself, exactly how does that work?
 
 Exactly how does what work? Government regulation? Not very well.

Disingenuity will get you nowhere.
Try harder Roto.


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Re: SL failures

2008-11-08 Thread Rceeberger

On 11/8/2008 1:52:05 PM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Not everything fits into your simple physics models, and
 you (and government regulators, and I) do not know anywhere near as
 much as we need to if we are to play god with millions or billions of
 people interacting in a market.

Where do government regulators come from?


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Glee overseas as Obama wins

2008-11-05 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117995346.html?categoryId=3230cs=1

Barack Obama's historic victory was greeted around the world with reactions 
ranging from hope to hostility.
In Kenya, Obama's ancestral home, folks danced in the street, while in 
Moscow, President Dmitry Medvedev took the opportunity to up the military 
ante. In Rome, Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi feigned indifference while 
offering the new American leader advice.

But in the U.S., the mood was one of anticipation.

Washington was abuzz with reports that the president-elect offered the chief 
of staff job to Rahm Emanuel, brother of Endeavor Agency partner Ari 
Emanuel.

Attention also was turning to the inauguration, as hotels started to book up 
in anticipation of a crush of revelers to greet the first Democratic 
turnover of the White House since 1992.

Parties are being planned as we speak, said one longtime D.C. insider. 
Everybody's waiting for the Chicago crowd to come. It will be a total 
realignment of social Washington.

After the last guests left from an election night party at her Beverly Park 
home, Irena Medavoy, who, with husband Mike, hosted Obama at their home for 
a fund-raiser, said that she and Arianna Huffington, among others, were 
planning a pre-inaugural party.

Two races of interest to the entertainment industry remained in dispute.

In California, Los Angeles County stopped issuing marriage licenses to 
same-sex couples after it appeared voters had approved the Proposition 8 
ballot initiative to constitutionally ban gay nuptials in the state. While 
news outlets declared that the initiative had passed, supporters of gay 
marriage refused to concede pending the results of remaining absentee 
ballots.

There is always the thought of 'live to fight another day,' but if we end 
up losing this, the disappointment is that a majority of California voters 
didn't get that this is a human rights and civil rights issue, said 
producer Bruce Cohen, who had raised money and campaigned against the 
initiative.

The city attorneys of San Francisco and Los Angeles and counsel of Santa 
Clara County filed a petition with the state Supreme Court to invalidate the 
proposition, and others were planning other legal challenges.

Meanwhile, in Minnesota, Al Franken trailed incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman by 
just 475 votes, triggering an automatic recount.

This has been a long campaign, but it is going to be a little longer before 
we have a winner, Franken said.

Foreign relations

Outside the U.S., Obama dominated the news. No country greeted his win with 
such unbridled joy as Kenya, where Obama's father was born. President Mwai 
Kibaki declared Thursday a national holiday to celebrate. Sen. Obama is our 
new president. God has answered our prayers, enthused pastor Washington 
Obonyo.

In Russia, in his first state of the nation address, President Medvedev did 
not directly congratulate Obama, but said he hoped the new administration 
would mend damaged relations between the two countries, suggesting it was up 
to the U.S. to take the first steps. Russia hoped that Obama would make a 
choice in favor of full-fledged relations with Russia, Medvedev said.

He then announced the deployment of short-range Iskander missiles in 
Russia's Baltic enclave Kaliningrad, which he said would neutralize the 
planned U.S. anti-missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic.

In Italy, as millions stayed up late Tuesday to watch the all-night TV 
coverage, media mogul-turned-premier Berlusconi, among President Bush's 
strongest allies in Europe, told reporters he was going to bed early.

Berlusconi congratulated Obama on Wednesday but added he would offer him 
some advice, given my age and experience. Berlusconi, who has been in 
politics since 1994, is 72.

Meanwhile, right-winger Maurizio Gasparri, Senate leader of Berlusconi's 
conservative People of Freedom Party, sparked an uproar by stating on 
Italian state radio that with Obama in the White House, perhaps al Qaeda is 
happier.

As for Italian headlines, they ranged from the jubilant Obama president, 
it's another America banner on leftist La Repubblica to the more 
matter-of-fact Obama president, America changes on Berlusconi-owned Il 
Giornale.

In Blighty, impromptu celebratory parties were held in many urban centers, 
especially liberal strongholds like London, Manchester and Brighton, and 
millions stayed up through the night glued to their TVs as results rolled 
in. This included a huge number of teens and twentysomethings -- surprising 
given their reputation for political apathy.

But not everyone was popping the champagne. The manager of a busy Syrian 
restaurant in West London told Daily Variety, I won't be watching. To us 
Arabs, both candidates are the same. Neither will significantly change 
foreign policy in the Middle East.

More than one optiona.. (Co) Daily Variety
  Filmography, Year, Role
  b.. (Co) Daily Variety
But apart from such lone dissenters, the reaction 

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