RE: Lifestyle changes better than drugs

2009-11-09 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
OK, so I'm still harping on lifestyle as preferable over drugs in treating and preventing chronic illnesses -- nice to have my opinion backed up so decisively! (Not that meds aren't often necessary and life-saving; I just don't like to hear them always put ahead of nutrition and exercise

Re: Knowledge of Complex Systems and Ecch-onomics

2009-09-11 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Some of the time, but only some of the time, I have the sender as the poster, not brin-l. Alberto was nice enough to send it back to me so I can repost it. Dan M. - From: Alberto Monteiro albm...@centroin.com.br Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:46:01 -0200 To: dsummersmi

RE: The thread about the thread Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-10 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
No apologies needed. I just remember so well person after person taking on JDG trying to talk about different stuff (abortion, death penalty, politics). While I think Dan talked the longest and the hardest, I came to feel the guy just got off on fanning flames of dissention. Sort of like

Re: Knowledge of Complex Systems and Ecconomics

2009-09-10 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro albm...@centroin.com.br Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:13:40 + To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Knowledge of Complex Systems and Ecconomics On 2009-09-05, Dan M wrote: We know that, while we cannot see trends as

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-07 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
That's precisely what lots of people wonder. Neither government nor business has a record that exactly encourages optimism. I guess it depends on perspective. Compare the lot of the median citizen of the US with the median citizen of any country 500 years ago; 300 years ago; 100 years ago.

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-07 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Rceeberger rceeber...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:29:35 -0500 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform On 9/7/2009 4:06:38 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM, David

a Nobel Ghostpost on the Ecconomy

2009-09-06 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
An interesting article by Krugman appeared in the NYT magazine: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/magazine/06Economic-t.html?_r=4partner=rs semc=rsspagewanted=all http://tinyurl.com/kmtffm In it he discusses how the ecconomists missed last year's bust. Not surprising to anyone who's

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 12:46:44 -0700 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote: The link was broken for me, but from

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Even if everyone voted democratically to make some minority of people slaves, that does not make slavery freedom. Paying taxes != slavery. You are more than free to leave. You can't be bought or sold. Dan M. mail2web -

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 14:00:11 -0700 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM, dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: Actually,

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Even if everyone voted democratically to make some minority of people slaves, that does not make slavery freedom. Paying taxes != slavery.  You are more than free to leave.  You can't be bought or sold. The principle under discussion was whether a democratic vote is equivalent to freedom to

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Ronn! Blankenship ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 17:27:28 -0500 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform br Some people fear that government-run health care will feature all the cleanliness and

Health Care:

2009-09-06 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Bruce wrote: What exactly *do* you propose as an alternative to public-option health care for people who aren't fortunate enough to be able to afford health insurance that will actually cover treatments? You didn't ask me; but I thought I'd actually propose something that makes sense.

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
What exactly do you propose for everyone in the world who cannot afford basic health care such as childbirth assistance and infant care and vaccination? Well, Iraq showed how hard it is to help folks by forcing out bad governments. My foster daughter Neli and I have talked on how best

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 17:28:02 -0700 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Or, for an even darker

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
John said: That is incorrect. In 2007, the top 1% paid 40% of the federal income taxes, the top 5% paid 61%, and the top 10% paid 71% of taxes. If the middle class is 25%-75%, then the upper class, top 25%, paid a whopping 87% of federal income taxes.

Re: Knowledge of Complex Systems and Spellcheckers

2009-09-05 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
OK, my spell checker got me good. We know that, while we cannot see trends as absolute rules when dealing with complex systems, the most persimmons model consistent within the data has parsimonious the best chance of being a reasonable approximation of what we will

Re: First, do no harm

2009-09-03 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
There is one other point that clearly falsifies the first do no harm taken as an absolute rule for medicine. Take, for example, the fact that there are always unknown factors and low probability events in medicine. For example, even with the most common surgeries, there is a chance

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:14:11 -0700 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader Taking a complicated situation and equating it to a simple one, and then assuming that what holds for the

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
I origionally just hit reply to while multitaking and the returned it just to John. I'm sorry that it didn't go to the list, but I'm using my portable which does not have my main sorter. BTW, the below is not intended as a flame, but an accurate statement of what the posts indicate to me. I

What are Bill Maher's beliefs?

2009-08-29 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
I've got a question on Bill Maher and germ theory. In various non-Rush type forums (e.g. the atheist alliance) there were numerous references to his favoring of alternative medicines. The quotes I've gotten (including the Letterman quote that his illness is due to being poisoned) are consistent

Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . .

2009-08-26 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:09:46 +1000 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . . On 26/08/2009, at 9:03 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: What's a planet? Debate over Pluto rages on - CNN.com No

Returning to Heath Care

2009-08-19 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Since folks have expressed the desire to resume debating health care, I decide to put out some of the facts concerning health care and public opinion. 1) People want costs contained. 2) Most people, particularly the elderly, are fairly happy with what they have now, but fear the future. 3) The

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-18 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Jo Anne evens...@hevanet.com Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:14:29 -0700 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market Doug wrote: Has he been arrogant at times? Maybe, but that sort of thing is difficult to

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-17 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:21:45 -0700 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care Another good reason for heath status insurance John, you realize what you are arguing, don't you. If

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-17 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Did someone say John's been on this list for 10 years? Did I misread that?? I told John many of us had been. Maybe that got mangled. Maybe by me. :-) Dan M. myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and

Brin-:L the 2nd decade

2009-08-17 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:08:44 -0700 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market I was just asking questions. Actually, the same question has been asked and answered N

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-16 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Rob wrote: LOL.I'm the cellar dweller! Yea, that's true, but we know why. That's where all the best list wines are kept. Dan M. mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-16 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
FWIW the _Atlantic_ article is well worth reading carefully. I've already forwarded the link with my recommendation to a couple of other lists, and got a couple of comments back. The problems the article lists are real; I won't argue that the present system is really messed up. However,

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-16 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:19:16 -0700 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market Obama, yesterday, was right on target when he said there was no single silver bullet for

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-15 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
The most enjoyable discussions for me involve new ideas or points of view that I have not encountered before. People interested in SF seem to be more likely to have unique ideas than people who are not SF fans. Not that there isn't a lot of noise of conventional ideas mixed in...anyway, I write

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-15 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
I do agree that there is little experimentation going on right now in government. One of the best reasons for getting humanity out into space is to allow that experimentation to begin again. One thing to remember about experimentation: 99.99% of experiments fail; they do not achieve the

A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-12 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
People on this list have argued for the advantages of a free market system for health care and health care insurance. I have thought about it, and decided to apply what we know from other markets that have considerable less government intervention. For example, big screen TVs. If you have the

Re: Why not discuss the topic?

2009-08-12 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:30:03 -0700 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Why not discuss the topic? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Dan Mdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: Your writings are consistent with the

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-12 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:56:01 -0700 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Dan Mdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: John, would

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-12 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
This went just to john instead of the list twice. I'm not sure why. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:40 PM, dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: Sounds like you have a problem with the government-run patent system. If you understood the patent system and how these issues

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-12 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Actually, I favor no patent or IP restrictions. I do not know of any way to prevent gaming the system, and I think the benefits of the system, as implemented, are outweighed by the costs, several of which Dan mentioned. Lets assume that companies that innovated got nothing more than a few months

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-12 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Compassion, folks. IAAMOAC. I agree with your points Jo Anne, and welcome hearing from you. mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-12 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
BTW, I chose IP gaming examples because that's what I know best.  The entire legal system is subject to gamingwhy do you think there are so many lawyers who make so much money compared to those folks who create wealth who make less? Thus my earlier statement that we have too many laws

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-12 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Compassion and government are strange bedfellows. I'd prefer to express my compassion without government. I understand. But, since you expressed it as I am not my brother's keeper, that's what most folks would call no compassion. You are free to express itbut we are free to disagree.

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-12 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:20:38 -0700 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Dan Mdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: No, that is

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-12 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Sorry John, After several posts went to Brin-L I thought the problem was fixed. The ones that do and those that don't all have similar headers oh my side. Original Message: - From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:30:31 -0700 To: dsummersmi

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-12 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
To: dsummersmi...@comcast.net, brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:43 PM, dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: I understand.  But, since you expressed it as I am not my brother's keeper, that's what most folks would call

Why not discuss the topic?

2009-07-17 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:59:48 -0700 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: WeChooseTheMoon On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Dan Mdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: Folks do get health care, just not in an efficient

RE: WeChooseTheMoon

2009-07-16 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
An interesting aside on this. It took the Mercury program a bit over 9 months to go from the first sub-orbital flight to the first orbital flight. The big private enterprise sub-orbital flight happened almost 5 years ago (5 years this coming November IIRC). It cost 100 million to develop, and

Re: WeChooseTheMoon

2009-07-16 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Bruce Bostwick lihan161...@sbcglobal.net Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:04:59 -0500 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: WeChooseTheMoon It seems like a cruel joke nowadays, that 1950's-1960's technology landed human beings on the moon and all the more

Re: Drinking Water From Air Humidity

2009-07-13 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:25:51 +1000 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Drinking Water From Air Humidity Charlie wrote: Read it again properly, and don't treat me like a first grader. I asked how much energy is

Re: French tour etiquette

2009-07-07 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:02:24 +1000 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: French tour etiquette ... the greatest show on earth Well, IMHO, today was pretty exciting. Do you remember when a rider had the best time

Re: Iran

2009-06-27 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:10:27 +1000 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Iran On 28/06/2009, at 8:15 AM, Dan M wrote: Even with reporters locked up in their hotel rooms, I would guess than marches of tens of

Re: On the Housing Market

2009-02-23 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: David Hobby hob...@newpaltz.edu Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:08:53 -0500 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: On the Housing Market Rceeberger wrote: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-housing-chart-thats-worth-1000-words-2009 -2 Housing prices may

Re: Galactic Effect On Biodiversity

2009-01-25 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
I didn't read about it before last night but this summary of the problem of induction from the Wikipedia article on the Cosmological Principal describes my feelings rather well: Empirical observations of patterns occurring within a limited scope can shed no light on the state of things outside

Re: Galactic Effect On Biodiversity

2009-01-25 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
On 26/01/2009, at 7:38 AM, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: Empirical observations of patterns occurring within a limited scope can shed no light on the state of things outside that scope. If you really believe that, then you would throw most of evolutionary theory out, beause we've

Re: Galactic Effect On Biodiversity

2009-01-25 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Doug Pensinger brig...@zo.com Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:15:44 -0800 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Galactic Effect On Biodiversity Dan wrote: If you really believe that, then you would throw most of evolutionary theory out, beause we've only

Re: Galactic Effect On Biodiversity

2009-01-25 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:10:41 +1000 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Galactic Effect On Biodiversity - Original Message - From: dsummersmi...@comcast.net To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, January 26

Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?

2009-01-23 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Doug wrote: Furthermore, because of concerns about climate change and unrest in the middle east, a prediction that batteries and cheap electric cars are going to be in great demand over the next several decades is a good bet. I have no arguement against the concept that cheap batteries and

Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?

2009-01-23 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: xponentrob xponent...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:56:08 -0600 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years? - Original Message - From: dsummersmi...@comcast.net To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Friday

RE: Br!n: Congratulations! Today you get rid of... of... what'shisname?

2009-01-21 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Doug wrote: Other stuff that struck me as profound: Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone can not protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as

Re: biofuels and Li Batteries.

2009-01-14 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: hkhenson hkhen...@rogers.com Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:17:41 -0700 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: biofuels and Li Batteries. At 01:00 PM 1/13/2009, Dan M wrote: I agree, but bioengineered fuels are not ethanol. There are algae that exist right

Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?

2009-01-05 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:48:53 +1100 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years? On 06/01/2009, at 7:58 AM, Dan M wrote: With a few minor exceptions, the USA is running

Re: Israel to collapse in 25 years?

2009-01-03 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 12:59:20 +1100 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Israel to collapse in 25 years? On 04/01/2009, at 10:54 AM, Dan M wrote: Plus, demographics favor the Palestinians in the long run.

RE: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?

2009-01-02 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Nick Arnett narn...@mccmedia.com Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:17:07 -0800 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years? From the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html As if Things

Re: Incoming!

2008-12-26 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Bruce Bostwick lihan161...@sbcglobal.net Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:30:53 -0600 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Incoming! Unless the fluid flow is completely laminar (which is extremely rare in nature), there's turbulence involved, which is

Re: Incoming!

2008-12-23 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Yesterday was the Summer solstice here in the South Pacific and the day before was cold - only 6 degrees celsius. Global warming harumph. The fact that it is colder in some places than normal may be a sign of global warming. I know that some predictions say that global warming will

Re: Incoming!

2008-12-23 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
I'm sure there's chaos involved in that somehow. :) Why? It sounds like a pretty clear pattern to me, not chaos. My guess is that if you were able to sample the wind speed at that point, you'd see something rather fractal, probably a 1/f distribution. The periodicity probably is a

Re: Admin: Moving the list

2008-12-19 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Nick Arnett narn...@mccmedia.com Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:59:01 -0800 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Admin: Moving the list I'm happy with Bluehost (except for the lack of back-end access to Mailman archives)... the issue is more to do with

RE: Russia (Was What is wealth?)

2008-12-17 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:59:18 +1000 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Russia (Was What is wealth?) - Original Message - From: Dan M dsummersmi...@comcast.net To: 'Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion' brin