In Indonesia rapidly shrinking habitat might force the Orangutang into
cultivated areas, where she would be killed as a crop raider.
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Jon Louis Mann
net_democr...@yahoo.com wrote:
Would this orangutan be better off released in the Indonesian rain forest?
Jon
Very interesting, so the court decided that the non-human individuals have
rights such as freedom of movement, and that the orangutan was unjustly
imprisoned at a zoo (the story makes it clear that she didn't enjoy being
there, and would probably not choose to remain). I wonder how much
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Ellen S. zoo...@hotmail.com wrote:
(Keith)
Working on a similar article for much higher circulation outlet.
http://theenergycollective.com/keith-henson/362181/dollar-gallon-gasoline
Alright, now I'm feeling pretty hopeful about what power satellites
can do
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5iotdmmTJQsSzVYQ2Q0YUtCMERRczdYSXMtUWphUl92aHFN/edit?usp=sharing
Working on a similar article for much higher circulation outlet.
Keith
Alright, now I'm feeling pretty hopeful about what power satellites
can do for us. Thanks for sharing!
I'm less
2. Come close to disproving the cyclical (oscillating
universe) and ekpyrotic (colliding branes) theories.
Um... does this replace the colliding brains theory?
When all else in the universe collapses, the only things left will be
Bluebottle and Eccles.
Who will immediately hit each other
Wouldn't that be nice! Heaven's Reach ended on gigantic
cliffhangers, such as WILL HUMANITY GO EXTICT!? :p
Heaven's Reach ended with a giant rocket made of boo lifting off of Jijo.
A long time had passed since Streaker had left.
The cliffhangers of Jijo:
The Jophur were in control the
William Taylor wrote:
The 4th dimension is going to close down as the galaxy that Jijo is in
breaks away from the other four galaxies.
It also mean that all the magic will go out from Jijo. Everything
that can't be explained by XX-cent technology will cease to work.
No more psychic powers
From: albm...@centroin.com.br
William Taylor wrote:
The 4th dimension is going to close down as the galaxy that Jijo is in
breaks away from the other four galaxies.
It also mean that all the magic will go out from Jijo. Everything
that can't be explained by XX-cent technology will cease
And then Temptation introduced a bunch more cliffhangers
to the situation on Jijo, via the Buyur.
I think the Buyur will prevent the Jophur from winning, but
I doubt they have any incentive to prevent the destruction
of any part of the Commons civilization.
~E.S.
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From: Ellen S. zoo...@hotmail.com
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:38 am
Subject: RE: Introducing Myself
And then Temptation introduced a bunch more cliffhangers
to the situation on Jijo, via the Buyur.
I
At 12:04 Tuesday 04-03-14, Keith Henson wrote:
[...] Time to displace fossil fuels
is a bit over two decades from the start.
Will probably take at least that long before second- and third-hand
used electric vehicles get cheap enough for those who today cannot
afford anything newer than
AT LAST my messages from like 6 months ago when I joined the
mailing list have materialized. Though I do wonder what took
so long. I see references to messages that I know I have not
gotten, so I think there's also something preventing my
address from receiving some messages from this list.
Spoiler warning to anyone who hasn't read Heaven's
Reach!!
And that's Alvin, Mudfoot, and Huck on Harathrurptra.
(Correct spelling anyone?)
Mudfoot can become VERY important if Harathrumta (Sp?)
has Rousit.
In what way? By influencing Rousit in some way to be
friendly to Clan
That would be me. Don't know why I didn't see any notices about the held mail until the other day. Odd.
Nick
"Ellen S." zoo...@hotmail.com wrote:AT LAST my messages from like 6 months ago when I joined the
mailing list have materialized. Though I do wonder what took
so long. I see references
On 13 May 2013, at 5:42 am, E. S. zoo...@hotmail.com wrote:
Also I don't have a screenname picked out for this list. I try
not to share my real name online.
Hello. There are plenty of real names and plenty of ‘nyms here, so don’t be shy
either way. “ES” or “zoon33” both seem
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From: Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 6:22 am
Subject: Re: Introducing Myself
I doubt it’ll ever reach the volumes of The Old Days again (unless DB WRITES
MORE UPLIFT BOOKS
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:22 AM, trent shipley trent.ship...@gmail.com wrote:
I once read a quote that went something like, No action against
climate change has ever been taken that resulted in material economic
injury to those who took the action.
This lead me to think that despite the
doubt they're legally available for uplift
yet, (RE-Uplift, as they're on the downward slope.)
but Contacting Aliens does say they haven't been
spotted (in the other Galaxy 2) in 2000 years. Did she
figure they might be the last of their kind, and want
to prevent the Jophur from killing them all
the Rousit clients of the Hoon. It wasn't that
clear in Heaven's Reach.)
2. Did we ever find out why Gillian wanted a herd of
Glavers?
They speak to hydrogen breathers, IIRC.
I doubt they're legally available for uplift
yet, (RE-Uplift, as they're on the downward slope.)
but Contacting
I just picked up KSR's 2312 and Jack Campbell's The Lost Stars: Tarnished
Knights (sequel series to the Lost Fleet series). Haven't started reading
them. I was re-reading Sword of Shanarra as MTV is threatening a new series
al a Game of Thrones. It's turning into a slog (seemed much better when I
On 3/3/2014 10:37 PM, trent shipley wrote:
...
The second thing it made me think is that while it cannot be said that
one science is more important than another, the discursive domains
indexed by sciences can be ranked as more or less foundational or
derived, or more pejoratively as reductionist
I have a degree in Mathematics. I consider it more of an art than a
science. Math is a linguistic game that fortuitously has practical
applications.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:44 PM, David Hobby hob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
On 3/3/2014 10:37 PM, trent shipley wrote:
...
The second thing it made
Actually, bugs/design flaws caught during the design phase cost far less
than those discovered during the build.
Doug
GSV Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance
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Yea, what's the deal? Anyone home? Anyone read anything good/interesting?
I recently listened to For Whom the Bell Tolls and am now listening to a
book called The Mongoliad, Greg Bear being one of several co-authors. The
Hemingway was very stark and depressing and a bit obsessed with death but
So if this is correct, what is the difference between a black hole and a naked
singularity?
The article describes an event horizon shrinking or growing in relation to a
black hole's apparent horizon, but isn't Hawking saying that the apparent
horizon is real and the event horizon just doesn't
afford to keep paying for
that crap.
Solar energy beamed down from outer space? I don't know anything about that.
~Ellen
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 17:40:15 -0300
Subject: Re: For David Brin and the rest of you
Even if these things were economically viable
www.tscherimSoobzokov.com provides the actual truth.
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I got a copy of this email from Jon Louis too. I doubt he would turn to Brin-L
for a time-sensitive loan request. Well, for that matter, *any* loan request,
much less one that must be fulfilled in a few hours.
-- Matt
From: Keith Henson
From: Dan Minette danmine...@att.net
At $10/watt, this is about 4 million.
How badly do you want to see this demo?
I don't expect to see it, ever. But, that demo is an example of the very
easy baby steps that would have to be taken very early in the project. The
fact that we don't have a
Dan Minette thread-killed:
I don't expect to see it, ever. But, that demo is an example of the very
easy baby steps that would have to be taken very early in the project. The
fact that we don't have a demo of baby steps is a very good indicator of
where the project is.
This is not
managing the list at
brin-l-ow...@mccmedia.com
From: David Hobby hob...@newpaltz.edu
On 9/5/2013 4:54 PM, Keith Henson wrote:
The propulsion lasers to get the parts up to GEO at a cost where the
whole thing makes economic sense, those are weapons, game changing
weapons. And if I had
At $10/watt, this is about 4 million.
How badly do you want to see this demo?
I don't expect to see it, ever. But, that demo is an example of the very
easy baby steps that would have to be taken very early in the project. The
fact that we don't have a demo of baby steps is a very good
On Sep 6, 2013, at 12:37 PM, ALBERTO VIEIRA FERREIRA MONTEIRO chided:
Dan Minette thread-killed:
I don't expect to see it, ever.
I can see Alberto taking issue with this statement, except that it's just Dan
stating his expectation. Are we to judge what Dan expects?
But, that demo is an
David Hobby wrote:
Or are you worried about energy being beamed down inefficiently, producing
much more heat than just the amount from people using energy directly?
No, even if it was possible to beam energy with 100% efficiency...
it's still energy. It comes down, it must get out. If not,
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 08:24:00 -0300
Subject: Re: For David Brin and the rest of you
From: albm...@centroin.com.br
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
David Hobby wrote:
Or are you worried about energy being beamed down inefficiently, producing
much more heat than just the amount from people
On 9/5/2013 7:24 AM, ALBERTO VIEIRA FERREIRA MONTEIRO wrote:
David Hobby wrote:
Or are you worried about energy being beamed down inefficiently, producing
much more heat than just the amount from people using energy directly?
No, even if it was possible to beam energy with 100% efficiency...
In a message dated 9/5/2013 4:24:09 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
albm...@centroin.com.br writes:
where the Mad Scientist tries to destroy the Earth by
placing an enormous mirror or lens in orbit, concentrating solar
energy?
It's not in orbit; it's in London melting parked cars.
On 9/5/2013 4:54 PM, Keith Henson wrote:
The propulsion lasers to get the parts up to GEO at a cost where the
whole thing makes economic sense, those are weapons, game changing
weapons. And if I had to bet, it would be for them to be controlled by
the Chinese. Keith Henson _
Now
It looks like a combination of Skylon, a project being developed in the UK
and big propulsion lasers will get the
cost to under $100/kg to GEO.
Do you have any vidios of lasers holding up, say, a 10kg object, for 20
minutes and keeping it under control. This would be one of the easy
From: Pat Mathews mathew...@msn.com
How much does it cost in energy as well as in dollars?
Substantial. I figured this for an elevator and got that the elevator
had a 3 day payback for the parts and the same for lifting. The
calculated energy investment for a kW of capacity was paid back in
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 10:10:33 -0700
Subject: For David Brin and the rest of you
From: hkeithhen...@gmail.com
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
As of last April, there seems to be a solution to the
energy/carbon/climate problems, even water. Relatively cheap, less
than ten dollars a person.
Even if these things were economically viable (which they probably
ain't), ambientally it would be a disaster. I can't image the Earth
getting such extra amount of radiant energy and not turning it (she?
Gaia?) into a hell much worse than the most pessimistic images of the
most radical ecogroups.
On 9/4/2013 4:40 PM, ALBERTO VIEIRA FERREIRA MONTEIRO wrote:
Even if these things were economically viable (which they probably
ain't), ambientally it would be a disaster. I can't image the Earth
getting such extra amount of radiant energy and not turning it (she?
Gaia?) into a hell much worse
Maybe, but he would have had to change his name from David to Sergei.
From: Dan Minette danmine...@att.net
To: 'Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion' brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:46 PM
Subject: Multi-talented
I never knew the
I never knew the good doctor founded google until I read it in Yahoo news
as
part of a scandel.
Maybe, but he would have had to change his name from David to Sergei.
Didn't you know, David translated into Russian is Sergei, I knew a Sergei
from Russia. He used Sergei when founding Google to
It's Sergey, actually.
Nick
(from the Googleplex-almost)
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Dan Minette danmine...@att.net wrote:
I never knew the good doctor founded google until I read it in Yahoo news
as
part of a scandel.
Maybe, but he would have had to change his name from David to
On Aug 29, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Matt Grimaldi wrote:
Maybe, but he would have had to change his name from David to Sergei.
I know we're all very impressed with Dr. Brin, but this whole incident
highlights *two* failures in his life.
One, of course, is the seedy business of the alleged affair.
1. When Gillian traded things with Uriel, did she takeany rewqs?
They'd be very valuable both for Earthclanand for that Hoon colony
Alvin and Huck moved to.
Not mentioned. Could go either way if our good Dr. has anything planned.
And you forgot to mention Mudfoot.
(Then again, Contacting
On 3/14/2013 2:05 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
Hi, Nick
I'd like to get back on the?list, please.
I think I've been deleted??
(been inactive for a long time!).
Thanks, Debbi
Hi Debbi,
I don't think you've been deleted.
But we've been real quiet.
Dan M.
Brin's website and Facebook page
(watchout
Hi Debbi,
I don't think you've been deleted. But we've been real quiet.
Dan M.
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I sent this to a single person instead of the list due to Killer B being
changed (probably automatically) from the sender to a cc. I think this
happened a couple of other times. I've gotten replies, but will not post
them, because they aren't my emails. But if the sender would, or would give
Hi,
Their entire ecconomic model, with artifically low value on their
currency, and the disdaining of IP right of other countries, fits
this.
Well, selling products at prices below below production cost and
(aggressive) disdaining of IP right of other countries has happened
before. So. China
On 12/4/2012 9:02 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
I sent this to a single person instead of the list due to Killer B being
changed (probably automatically) from the sender to a cc. I think this
happened a couple of other times. I've gotten replies, but will not post
them, because they aren't my
Dan Minette wrote:
The poison you talk about is roundup. And, yes, if I drank a bottle of it,
I'd probably be sick. But, I've used it on weeds. Spray it on grass, and
the grass dies, but spray it on weeds 3 inches from grass, and the small
amount that gets on the grass doesn't hurt it. If
Klaus Stock wrote:
Nope. In Germany, political reasons are the real reasons, not common
sense.
The europeans are crazy. They don't know what to do, they add a lot of
uncertainty to the economy with all those subsidies that come and go,
taxes that come and go, and regulations that come and go.
That's not how slow poison works. People don't die for smoking a cigarette,
or for smoking 100
cigarettes a day for 30 years. But then they die in the 31st year.
The difference, of course, is that there were a large number of symtoms,
very statistically significant differences in longevity,
Of course, it would make sense to integrate water and wind plants,
probably even using the wind
turbines to power the pumps directly. But that's a problem with politics,
not technology.
I beg to differ. The obvious problem is geography. Pump storage is highly
used in Switzerland, and they
. :-)
In historic times, 232 different races of domestic pigs could be found
in Germany. In more modern times, this was reduced to one single race (the
most efficient, short-term money-wise). Nowadays, a few old races
seem to have re-appeared.
The real problem is that if you base you base your country-wide
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Dan Minette danmine...@att.net wrote:
(Keith)
If you have a better way to get humanity off fossil fuels, don't keep it to
yourself.
I have actions that, given historical precident, have a much better chance
of suceeeding.
Make a good case that it's cheaper
On 12/1/2012 6:36 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
How is that going to happen. Are you arguing that the US will impose a
carbon tax that is so high that we will be paying more in carbon taxes than
fuel costs? Given the fact that we've been unable to raise the gas tax in
decades, how will we impose a
If you have a better way to get humanity off fossil fuels, don't keep it to
yourself.
I have actions that, given historical precident, have a much better chance
of suceeeding.
Make a good case that it's cheaper and I will support that instead of
working on power satellites
and laser
Of course, it would make sense to integrate water and wind plants,
probably even using the wind
turbines to power the pumps directly. But that's a problem with politics,
not technology.
I beg to differ. The obvious problem is geography. Pump storage is highly
used in Switzerland, and they
-Original Message-
From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin O'Brien
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:13 AM
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Greens add to Greenhouse gasses
On 11/30/2012 8:49 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
So, they were
Unfortunately, we already have surplus crop and other produce. In order to
keep the price up,
surplus is destroyed.
I goggled for that in the US, and it referred to this happening during the
Great Depression, when prices were so low during the deflationary era that
it wasn't worth the cost of
Dan Minette wrote:
Wind just needs one, effective storage. The lack of it is why
wind power cannot be counted on as part of peak demand.
It only made sense when natural gas was expensive.
Here in Brazil, Wind is used as part of the electric grid (there is a
country-wide electric grid, only
Wind just needs one, effective storage. The lack of it is why
wind power cannot be counted on as part of peak demand.
It only made sense when natural gas was expensive.
Here in Brazil, Wind is used as part of the electric grid (there is a
country-wide electric grid, only some parts of the
Here in Brazil, Wind is used as part of the electric grid (there is a
country-wide electric grid, only some parts of the Rain Forest are outside
it). It helps save water and not consume natural gas when the wind blows.
So, Wind is _not_ one black swam away, it can be used complementary to other
On 11/29/2012 6:38 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
They used the low price tactic to drive out virtually all
other rare earth suppliers a bit over a decade ago, and are now in a
position where the startup costs are high for other countries, and any
country with pollution regulations would have a hard
On 11/30/2012 8:49 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
So, they were fired up when the windmills were down due to low
wind. Now, with cheap natural gas, the building of windmills has slown down
to a virtual halt.
Well, cheap currently. It is just one carbon tax away from being
expensive. And to my mind the
On 11/29/2012 9:16 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
They convinced Uganda that using fertilizer and insecticides was bad.
That's why the crop yield is so low. Little grows and the insects get most
of it. The US, on the other hand, uses insecticides in cycles so it's hard
for the insects to develop
In fact, the other major sin of the Greens (in addition to being against
nuclear power) snip
That's their political agenda. When the CDU announced that the nuclear
power plants in Germany will be shut down, the greens were not
alltogether sure if they really wanted that... ;-)
is the
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jon Louis Mann net_democr...@yahoo.comwrote:
I'm reading John Varley's Slow Apocalypse. The premise is
that all un-processed petroleum is destroyed by an act of
bio-terrorism. In the middle of it right now, but so far
it's scaring the spit out of me.
So, they were fired up when the windmills were down due to low
wind. Now, with cheap natural gas, the building of windmills has slown down
to a virtual halt.
Well, cheap currently. It is just one carbon tax away from being
expensive. And to my mind the only question is when that tax comes,
How were the European Greens responsible for keeping
Uganda poor, by
turning them away from nuclear?
Two ways:
1) They have extremely strict and unreasonable standards for
imported food.
For example, its virtually impossible for US food products
to be sold there.
Unreasonable
In a message dated 11/29/2012 6:47:33 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
net_democr...@yahoo.com writes:
The measure of a civilization could be said to be
its consumption of energy and how it uses resources.
Conspicuous v. sustainable...
Jon
From: medieva...@aol.com
Twas in Last
With all due respect, Keith, I've been hearing arguments like this for
50 years.
That's impressive hearing considering that the big, high efficiency lasers
that make this
concept possible have been around for less than 5 years.
This particular combination, I haven't heard for 50 years.
On 11/28/2012 7:05 PM, Keith Henson wrote:
In regard to Kevin B. O'Brien's comments, the Chinese are far more
likely to build propulsion lasers and power sats than the US. It's
possible they have already made the decision, see the recent
announcement about building power sats with the Indians.
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Dan Minette danmine...@att.net wrote:
snip
I was basically asking if you've been around the block. That's not an appeal
to authority, just the result of the observation that folks who've walked
the walk are more likely to be accurate the next time they talk
Twas in Last And First Men, by Olaf Stapledon, I think, where all future
civilizations had their power based upon alcohol. Nothing stored from the
past was left.
In a message dated 11/29/2012 12:58:45 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim,
net_democr...@yahoo.com writes:
The
Yup, oil production is not as harmless as nuclear bomb tests.
It depends on how close you are to the nuclear bomb test. But, oil is
generally lower in radioactivity than bananas. If you are far enough away
from the test, then the radiation is so low, it's orders of magnitude below
what you get
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Behalf Of Kevin O'Brien
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:06 AM
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Greens add to Greenhouse gasses
On 11/27/2012 5:18 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
Really cheap
I'm reading John Varley's Slow Apocalypse. The premise is that all
un-processed petroleum is destroyed by an act of bio-terrorism. In the
middle of it right now, but so far it's scaring the spit out of me.
john
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:26 PM, medieva...@aol.com wrote:
**
Twas in Last And
The measure of a civilization could be said to be it's consumption of
energy and how it uses resources. Conspicuous v. sustainable...
At what point was civilization sustainable without depending on unknowable
innovations in the future? It would have to be before steel, because
blacksmithing
to a disagreement in the
administration on whose watch it happens. There is a sequel; not sure there is
a third.
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:49:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Power and civilization
From: john...@gmail.com
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
I'm reading John Varley's Slow Apocalypse. The premise is that all un
Nov 2012 18:49:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Power and civilization
From: john...@gmail.com
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
I'm reading John Varley's Slow Apocalypse. The premise is that all
un-processed petroleum is destroyed by an act of bio-terrorism. In the
middle of it right now, but so far it's scaring
-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Jon Louis Mann
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:47 PM
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Power and civilization
The measure of a civilization could be said to be its consumption of
Keith said:
Friday I visited Reaction Engines. Delightful experience meeting Alan
Bond and Richard Varvill, the key technical guys. They have (and I
saw) the precooler for the SABRE engines working. They extract a GW
of heat from entering ram air and drop the temperature to -150 deg,
On 11/27/2012 5:18 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
Really cheap power if we bootstrap by building one power satellite and use
it for propulsion
lasers to bring up parts for thousands.
With all due respect, Keith, I've been hearing arguments like this for 50
years. One thing would help you establish
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Klaus Stock k...@stock-consulting.com
wrote:
snip
Our political leaders don't need solutions, they need fear. Once you
control voters by fear, you can do literally everything.
snip
However, Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany, has studied physics.
I'm
For God's sake (written as 日本酒), Japan had the earthquake of the
century, it hit hard on the nuclear plants, and almost nothing
happened. If this is not a very good security test on nuclear power,
then I don't know what could be. Maybe hit a nuclear plant with an
airplane?
Alberto Monteiro
On 11/26/2012 9:21 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
Since we don't want this list dominated by carved Norwegian tourist shop
items, I thought I'd throw out an argument. I have seen Germany and Japan
shutting down nuclear energy, after the Greens have suceeded in making it
non-PC. They had argued that the
I think you are correct in that. The only thing I would add is that the
design of the Fukushima plant was very old, and that modern designs are
even safer.
Um, like the german SNR-300 design? Yup, the first reactor with a core
catcher! Which was, of course, dismantled. Apparently, there's only
This issue is not being resolved rationally, but then very
few people approach problems that way.
Twitter compressed solution
Really cheap power if we bootstrap by building one power satellite
and use it for propulsion lasers to bring up parts for thousands.
If anyone wants to know more,
Really cheap power if we bootstrap by building one power satellite and use
it for propulsion
lasers to bring up parts for thousands.
With all due respect, Keith, I've been hearing arguments like this for 50
years. One thing would help you establish credibility. Can you point to a
design of
Having been watching from the sidelines, it's amazing how easy it is
for me to decide whose voice is respectable and mature, and whose is
childish and petulant, in this discussion.
--
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Johnathan Mann said.
I said:
While self respect is critical, and one shouldn't put up a false front
to get respect, earning the respect of those who have achieved less
than you can be very beneficial.
While I
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Dan Minette danmine...@att.net wrote:
While I didn't want to complicate my reply at the time, I do want to take
this opportunity to say that in no way was I referring to how much Jon
achieved or hasn't achieved.
Hilarious!
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Warren Adams-Ockrassa
war...@nightwares.com wrote:
Having been watching from the sidelines, it's amazing how easy it is for me
to decide whose voice is respectable and mature, and whose is childish and
petulant, in this discussion.
If only it were also easy
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Jon Louis Mann
net_democr...@yahoo.com wrote:
He assumes that I am not a successful politician because I have not won an
election.
Actually, no, that is not why I assume you are not successful.
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I read this as a personal attack, which is not permitted in this group.
Nick
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 1:57 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Warren Adams-Ockrassa
war...@nightwares.com wrote:
Having been watching from the sidelines, it's
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