Afghanistan Re: Someone Must Tell Them
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much of the world simply isn't able to provide soldiers as most 1st world countries have been cutting back to basically a defence force, and there have been enough friendly fire incidents in joint task forces in the past to make military forces wary of combining troops. Many other countries provided soldiers, ships and aircraft, including a substantial contingent from the constantly maligned France: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 2001_war_in_Afghanistan#Nature_of_the_coalition Yep. I note ISAF still has troops from 34 countries. Unfortunately, there is every indication that the force is too small to accomplish the job - there remains too few troops, and of the troops that are there, too few of them are willing to work in the toughest/most violent areas. Don't get me wrong, I am very happy for the contributions that have been provided - but unfortunately, given the nature of the task facing Western Civilization, far more is required, and even the US is not fully stepping up to the plate in that regard, let alone the rest of the world ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Afghanistan Re: Someone Must Tell Them
On 29/11/2006, at 3:54 PM, jdiebremse wrote: Unfortunately, there is every indication that the force is too small to accomplish the job - there remains too few troops, and of the troops that are there, too few of them are willing to work in the toughest/ most violent areas. Yes, precisely. Upsetting. It needed to be done properly, and it wasn't because of the Iraq distraction. Don't get me wrong, I am very happy for the contributions that have been provided - but unfortunately, given the nature of the task facing Western Civilization, far more is required, and even the US is not fully stepping up to the plate in that regard, let alone the rest of the world I'm not even sure what the task facing Western Civilization means. You're talking another language. Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Afghanistan Re: Someone Must Tell Them
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The world was with you on Afghanistan. You should have finished the job properly. Sorry, Charlie, but the world was *not* with us on Afghanistan.Oh sure, they were there in word - but the world was painfully short of the support that really matters boots on the ground. There's a NATO summit going on right abouts now, and I can only hope that one of the agenda items is why the world's greatest military alliance is running into so much trouble in Afghanistan. JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Afghanistan Re: Someone Must Tell Them
On 28/11/2006, at 2:52 PM, jdiebremse wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The world was with you on Afghanistan. You should have finished the job properly. Sorry, Charlie, but the world was *not* with us on Afghanistan.Oh sure, they were there in word - but the world was painfully short of the support that really matters boots on the ground. Much of the world simply isn't able to provide soldiers as most 1st world countries have been cutting back to basically a defence force, and there have been enough friendly fire incidents in joint task forces in the past to make military forces wary of combining troops. And the US didn't need extra troops. Providing soldiers is not the only way to support an ally (and Britain did provide soldiers anyway). The US response to 11/9 by going after the theocracy that provided succour to the terrorist groups made sense. Approval is often support enough. The US then squandered that good will. There's a NATO summit going on right abouts now, and I can only hope that one of the agenda items is why the world's greatest military alliance is running into so much trouble in Afghanistan. Because it didn't do the job properly, and got sidetracked by the desperate need of Bush and Cheney to take Saddam out, and then making a complete screw-up of it by not listening to the military on how to go about it. Overwhelming force, and a full rebuilding program in Afghanistan followed by a peacekeeping force. Then turn to Iraq, and do the job properly. Instead the administration screwed up the area to the immediate East and West of *another* region they're focussed on... Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Afghanistan Re: Someone Must Tell Them
Charlie said: Much of the world simply isn't able to provide soldiers as most 1st world countries have been cutting back to basically a defence force, and there have been enough friendly fire incidents in joint task forces in the past to make military forces wary of combining troops. And the US didn't need extra troops. Providing soldiers is not the only way to support an ally (and Britain did provide soldiers anyway). Many other countries provided soldiers, ships and aircraft, including a substantial contingent from the constantly maligned France: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 2001_war_in_Afghanistan#Nature_of_the_coalition Rich ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Afghanistan Re: Someone Must Tell Them
On 28/11/2006, at 6:29 PM, Richard Baker wrote: Charlie said: Much of the world simply isn't able to provide soldiers as most 1st world countries have been cutting back to basically a defence force, and there have been enough friendly fire incidents in joint task forces in the past to make military forces wary of combining troops. And the US didn't need extra troops. Providing soldiers is not the only way to support an ally (and Britain did provide soldiers anyway). Many other countries provided soldiers, ships and aircraft, including a substantial contingent from the constantly maligned France: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 2001_war_in_Afghanistan#Nature_of_the_coalition Yep. I note ISAF still has troops from 34 countries. Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
