Re: Brin: Key Human-Brain Gene Found

2004-03-11 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 3/10/2004 8:53:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Heh.  I had heard of this.  My best guess is that
 simply pumping up that gene leads to more neurons, and
 that a species without OTHER adaptation will simply
 suffer from severe internal skull squeeze.

It might lead to something else. Too many neurons is a bad thing. In fact during 
development there is extensive neuronal die off (neurons compete for various 
connections and when they don't get them they are supposed to die). Failure of die off 
of jeuvinile neurons is felt by some investigators to be the structural cause of OCD. 
(Too many neurons leads to circular activations). 

As for the skull. The size of the brain determines the size of the skull so no brains 
busting out
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Re: Brin: Key Human-Brain Gene Found

2004-03-11 Thread Davd Brin
 In fact during development there is
 extensive neuronal die off (neurons compete for
 various connections and when they don't get them
 they are supposed to die). 

For a description of this that PREDATES the science,
see an obscure novel called Earth
;-)

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Brin: Key Human-Brain Gene Found

2004-03-10 Thread The Fool
http://www.discover.com/web-exclusives/gene-made-us-human0304/

The Gene That Made Us Human
Scientists decode a critical gene that may have led to the evolution of
our big brains
By Zach Zorich
March 04, 2004 | Mind  Brain

Scientists have long suspected that humans evolved large brains because
our hominid ancestors had to outwit and elude predators, learn to use
fire, and develop complex social structures. The smart hominids survived,
while the stupid ones were more likely to get eaten or freeze to death.
Over millions of years, the result of this game of survival of the
fittest was the appearance of big-brained, peculiarly intelligent modern
humans. Now Bruce Lahn, a biomedical researcher at the University of
Chicago, has found the first clear indication of the genetic changes that
led to the rapid expansion of our brain.

 

Lahn and his colleagues looked at the abnormal spindle-like microcephaly
associated (ASPM) gene, which scientists had previously identified as a
key player in brain development. He grew intrigued by ASPM after other
researchers discovered that serious defects in the gene cause
microcephaly—a drastic reduction in the size of the brain’s cerebral
cortex, the region responsible for such higher brain functions as
abstract thought and planning. Lahn wondered: Could changes in this gene,
favored by the pressures of natural selection, have directed the
development of the big, modern human brain?

 

To find out, Lahn compared the sequence of the human ASPM gene with the
equivalent gene sequences of various primates—including chimpanzees,
gorillas, and gibbons—and with the sequences of nonprimate species such
as mice, cows, and dogs. He isolated genetic mutations that altered the
structure of the ASPM protein and thus could have affected brain size,
while weeding out the random mutations that had no structural effect and
hence would have been unaffected by evolutionary pressures. Lahn found
that the ASPM gene in humans has undergone 15 important mutations since
we last shared a common ancestor with chimpanzees, about 5 million years
ago. Significantly, compared with the other animals studied, humans have
experienced the fastest overall rate of change in the gene since our
evolutionary line parted ways with chimpanzees and other primates.
Evidently, ASPM responded to natural selection, and the resulting changes
contributed to our large brains.

 

How exactly the ASPM gene produced these changes is not yet entirely
clear. It seems to control how many times cells in the cerebral cortex
can divide, which controls how much space there is for neurons. A variant
of the gene that allowed additional cell divisions, Lahn surmises, gave
some hominids the additional neural infrastructure that eventually let
them develop abstract reasoning and language skills. The exact
environmental pressures that pushed humans toward higher intelligence
also remain a matter of speculation. “Humans are very social, and coming
down from the trees to live on the African plains could have triggered a
situation where higher cognitive abilities were highly favored,” Lahn
says. The need for hominids to work cooperatively to find food and to
combat the increased threat of large predators could have fostered the
development of a larger brain capable of processing language and
anticipating danger. 

 

In future experiments, Lahn will insert the human ASPM gene into mice to
see what affect it has on brain development. He hopes to reconstruct the
detailed story of how the human brain grew and changed as the result of
natural selection, thereby creating the thing that makes us each
unique—the human mind.

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Re: Brin: Key Human-Brain Gene Found

2004-03-10 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 3/10/2004 6:24:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 In future experiments, Lahn will insert the human ASPM gene into mice to
 see what affect it has on brain development. 

They escape from their cages, flee to a country that has no extradition, and 
sue the estate of Douglas Adams for slander.

William Taylor

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Re: Brin: Key Human-Brain Gene Found

2004-03-10 Thread Davd Brin


  In future experiments, Lahn will insert the human
 ASPM gene into mice to
  see what affect it has on brain development. 
 
 They escape from their cages, flee to a country that
 has no extradition, and 
 sue the estate of Douglas Adams for slander.

Heh.  I had heard of this.  My best guess is that
simply pumping up that gene leads to more neurons, and
that a species without OTHER adaptation will simply
suffer from severe internal skull squeeze.

But the notion of a breakout by brain boosted rats is
delightfully chilling.

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Re: Brin: Key Human-Brain Gene Found

2004-03-10 Thread The Fool
 From: Davd Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   In future experiments, Lahn will insert the human
  ASPM gene into mice to
   see what affect it has on brain development. 
  
  They escape from their cages, flee to a country that
  has no extradition, and 
  sue the estate of Douglas Adams for slander.
 
 Heh.  I had heard of this.  My best guess is that
 simply pumping up that gene leads to more neurons, and
 that a species without OTHER adaptation will simply
 suffer from severe internal skull squeeze.

I recall from last year another gene that they discovered that caused
mice brains to become highly folded (like a human brain) instead of being
'flat'.
 
 But the notion of a breakout by brain boosted rats is
 delightfully chilling.

Danger mouse...
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Re: Brin: Key Human-Brain Gene Found

2004-03-10 Thread The Fool
 From: Davd Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   In future experiments, Lahn will insert the human
  ASPM gene into mice to
   see what affect it has on brain development. 
  
  They escape from their cages, flee to a country that
  has no extradition, and 
  sue the estate of Douglas Adams for slander.
 
 Heh.  I had heard of this.  My best guess is that
 simply pumping up that gene leads to more neurons, and
 that a species without OTHER adaptation will simply
 suffer from severe internal skull squeeze.
 
 But the notion of a breakout by brain boosted rats is
 delightfully chilling.

FuturePundit Talks about Uplift here:
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/001982.html#001982
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