Re: Brin Wiki and Trolls

2010-01-05 Thread David Hobby

Jon Louis Mann wrote:

... My sense is that this is a philosophical thing to him--he's in
the "Deletionist" camp on Wikipedia, who want to limit the number
of articles on "non-notable topics".  (He also questions articles
on minor academic journals, people I've never heard of, and so on.)


...

Thanks, David, for that succinct, but thorough explanation of what
motivates the troll and one way to circumvent it.  The fact that this
character is operating behind a false persona indicates he doesn't
even have the convictions of his "philosophical" principles. ---Jon


Jon--

Actually, using a nickname is very common among
Wikipedia editors, good and bad.  (It took me a
while to figure out who "Albmont" was, even.)

---David


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Re: Brin Wiki and Trolls

2010-01-05 Thread Medievalbk
Brin-L and Wiki and Trolls:
 
 
Brin-L and Wiki and Trolls--oh my
 
Brin-L and Wiki and Trolls--oh my
 
 
"By the way the brain it dumbs, something Wiki this way comes."
 
Vilyehm


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Brin Wiki and Trolls

2010-01-04 Thread Jon Louis Mann
> Jon Louis Mann wrote:
> > I don't understand turning the Alliance for Progress
> Encyclopedia into a wiki format or what's a Brin Wiki
> > but I am all for doing anything to block trolls from
> removing any of Dr. Brin's contributions to the SF lexicon

> Jon-- 
> Hi.  I guess the conversation got a bit 
> involved there.  The "troll" wants to remove
> some free-standing articles from Wikipedia.  
> Notably those on Alvin (the young Hoon on Jijo)
> and on the Streaker.  My sense is that this
> is a philosophical thing to him--he's in the 
> "Deletionist" camp on Wikipedia, who want to 
> limit the number of articles on "non-notable 
> topics".  (He also questions articles on minor
> academic journals, people I've never heard of, 
> and so on.)
> Whether or not the Alvin and Streaker articles 
> stay, our sense was that it would be easier to 
> build an extensive Wiki without the "contributions" 
> of people like him.  Hence the plan to set something
> up apart from Wikipedia.           
> ---David

Thanks, David, for that succinct, but thorough explanation of what motivates 
the troll and one way to circumvent it.  The fact that this character is 
operating behind a false persona indicates he doesn't even have the convictions 
of his "philosophical" principles.
  ---Jon


  

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Re: Brin Wiki and trolls

2010-01-04 Thread David Hobby

Jon Louis Mann wrote:

I don't understand turning the Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia
into a wiki format or what's a Brin Wiki, but I am all for doing
anything to block trolls from remove any of Dr. Brin's contributions
to the SF lexicon.


Jon--

Hi.  I guess the conversation got a bit involved
there.  The "troll" wants to remove some free-standing
articles from Wikipedia.  Notably those on Alvin (the young
Hoon on Jijo) and on the Streaker.  My sense is that this
is a philosophical thing to him--he's in the "Deletionist"
camp on Wikipedia, who want to limit the number of articles
on "non-notable topics".  (He also questions articles on
minor academic journals, people I've never heard of, and
so on.)

Whether or not the Alvin and Streaker articles stay,
our sense was that it would be easier to build an
extensive Wiki without the "contributions" of people
like him.  Hence the plan to set something up apart
from Wikipedia.

---David

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Brin Wiki and trolls

2010-01-04 Thread Jon Louis Mann
I don't understand turning the Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia into
a wiki format or what's a Brin Wiki, but I am all for doing anything to block 
trolls from remove any of Dr. Brin's contributions to the SF lexicon.  

I wonder why is someone running a seek-and-destroy against Brin; who is the 
troll and why target David?  I have never been able to understand this troll 
phenomenon.

I don't follow the references to fan fic and whether it should not be included 
in a Brin Wiki. 

I am in favor of cooperation and forgiving the past, especially since I won't 
have a clue what is to forgive?  I agree that everything seems much more 
relaxed than the last time I gafiated from the list.


  

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