RE: Idiocy of universal retirement

2005-01-11 Thread God
Maru Dubshinki contributed: Last I heard, SS was not a pension; so apparently they have no problem living off charity. It was you, not me, who suggested giving the excess crops to retirees. ~Maru On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:54:35 +0100, God [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maru spoketh:

Re: Idiocy of universal retirement

2005-01-11 Thread Maru Dubshinki
What, precisely, is the true difference between giving retirees crops/foodstuffs and money (aside from the sheer versatility of money of course.)? They are both charity as far as I can see. ~Maru On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:18:05 +0100, God [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maru Dubshinki contributed:

RE: Idiocy of universal retirement

2005-01-10 Thread God
Maru spoketh: whether it is in money or other financial instruments. I hear that farmers are paid really large sums to deliberately curtail crop production; why not take that wasted money, use it to buy the excess crops and give it to those retirees in some way or other (so they don't

Re: Idiocy of universal retirement

2005-01-10 Thread Maru Dubshinki
Last I heard, SS was not a pension; so apparently they have no problem living off charity. ~Maru On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:54:35 +0100, God [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maru spoketh: whether it is in money or other financial instruments. I hear that farmers are paid really large sums to

Re: Idiocy of universal retirement

2005-01-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 12:47:27AM -0500, maru wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong Trent, but isn't the whole point of modern society, technology, science, and liberal democracy to reduce the amount of physical misery, mental anguish and sheer drudgery/work a person has to go through I wouldn't

Re: Idiocy of universal retirement

2005-01-09 Thread maru
Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 12:47:27AM -0500, maru wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong Trent, but isn't the whole point of modern society, technology, science, and liberal democracy to reduce the amount of physical misery, mental anguish and sheer drudgery/work a person has to go

Re: Idiocy of universal retirement

2005-01-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 11:58:11AM -0500, maru wrote: And Erik, I don't think 120 trillion dollars over 70 years is all that much. That's good. Then you'll have no trouble saving $1 million for your own retirment, since that is about your share of the $120 trillion. By the way, would you mind

Re: Idiocy of universal retirement

2005-01-09 Thread Julia Thompson
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 11:58:11AM -0500, maru wrote: And Erik, I don't think 120 trillion dollars over 70 years is all that much. That's good. Then you'll have no trouble saving $1 million for your own retirment, since that is about your share

Re: Idiocy of universal retirement

2005-01-09 Thread maru
Less probably, since they'd share the same shelter. ~Maru Julia Thompson wrote: On Sun, 9 Jan 2005, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 11:58:11AM -0500, maru wrote: And Erik, I don't think 120 trillion dollars over 70 years is all that much. That's good. Then you'll have no

Re: Idiocy of universal retirement

2005-01-08 Thread maru
Correct me if I'm wrong Trent, but isn't the whole point of modern society, technology, science, and liberal democracy to reduce the amount of physical misery, mental anguish and sheer drudgery/work a person has to go through (as opposed to points such as 'for the further glorification of

Re: Idiocy of universal retirement: (was Re: Social Security)

2005-01-06 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:59:00AM -0700, Trent Shipley wrote: Of course, with ever increasing (and expensive) life qualities and life spans there will be people born in 1976 still collecting their retirement social security in 2075. Andtheir PIA will already have been calculated years

Idiocy of universal retirement: (was Re: Social Security)

2005-01-05 Thread Trent Shipley
On Wednesday 2005-01-05 23:17, Doug Pensinger wrote: Erik wrote: Apparently you don't understand the difference between 2005 and 2075 and 70 years of 1.5% increases. Probably not. What has been the average increase 1935-2005? I agree that Social Security _should be_ a safety net for low