RE: Is this thing on?
At 05:53 PM Monday 1/25/2010, Julia wrote: -Original Message- From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of John Williams Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:44 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: Is this thing on? On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Dave Land dml...@gmail.com wrote: _It_ is on, but nobody is on _it_. How's _it_ hangin' ? ___ I love wearing a Workman model Utilikilt and sticking a hammer in the tool loop, just so *I* can answer the question, How's the hammer hanging? (Of course, it doesn't happen often, and is more likely to be a rubber mallet, the sort that's useful for pounding tent stakes into the ground.) Julia Some places the ground is hard enough to make a rubber mallet useless for that purpose. Carrying a sledge hammer of sufficient size in a tool loop on an article of clothing more commonly worn in these parts, however, might lead to one being the subject of the tune made popular recently by commercials for _American Idol_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMwhl4IrPNc) . . . ronn! :) ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Is this thing on?
On Jan 26, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 05:53 PM Monday 1/25/2010, Julia wrote: I love wearing a Workman model Utilikilt and sticking a hammer in the tool loop, just so *I* can answer the question, How's the hammer hanging? (Of course, it doesn't happen often, and is more likely to be a rubber mallet, the sort that's useful for pounding tent stakes into the ground.) Julia Some places the ground is hard enough to make a rubber mallet useless for that purpose. Carrying a sledge hammer of sufficient size in a tool loop on an article of clothing more commonly worn in these parts, however, might lead to one being the subject of the tune made popular recently by commercials for _American Idol_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMwhl4IrPNc ) . . . ronn! :) I've been known to use 60d bridge spikes, due to two things rather common in the places I've had to camp in Texas: 1) buried bits of limestone, and 2) caliche. Driving those usually doesn't require a sledgehammer, but it often requires a 2 lb crosspeen hammer. (It's rather interesting to both hear and feel one of those little rocks splitting under the spike when I drive it in. Under similar conditions, I have actually snapped the top off of vendor-supplied plastic stakes, and remember hearing a flying bit of one whizzing past my ear Hollywood-ricochet style once. That was shortly before i switched to bridge spikes, which don't break. Even if they are sometimes pure *#^$* to pull up.) Oh yeah? Well, I speak LOOOUD, and I carry a BEEEger stick -- and I use it too! **whop!** -- Yosemite Sam ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
RE: Is this thing on?
--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Julia ju...@zurg.net wrote: From: Julia ju...@zurg.net Subject: RE: Is this thing on? To: 'Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion' brin-l@mccmedia.com Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 6:53 PM -Original Message- From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of John Williams Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:44 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: Is this thing on? On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Dave Land dml...@gmail.com wrote: _It_ is on, but nobody is on _it_. How's _it_ hangin' ? ___ I love wearing a Workman model Utilikilt and sticking a hammer in the tool loop, just so *I* can answer the question, How's the hammer hanging? (Of course, it doesn't happen often, and is more likely to be a rubber mallet, the sort that's useful for pounding tent stakes into the ground.) Julia ... I use mine to pound sense into my own head... Fortunately... I haven't come across much lately ... though the Ultilikilt is well-made and stylish... I really enjoy a long skirt myself... I wish sundresses for men were in vogue.. ... more about kilts... -Leonard ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
RE: Is this thing on?
-Original Message- From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of John Williams Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:44 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: Is this thing on? On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Dave Land dml...@gmail.com wrote: _It_ is on, but nobody is on _it_. How's _it_ hangin' ? ___ I love wearing a Workman model Utilikilt and sticking a hammer in the tool loop, just so *I* can answer the question, How's the hammer hanging? (Of course, it doesn't happen often, and is more likely to be a rubber mallet, the sort that's useful for pounding tent stakes into the ground.) Julia ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Is this thing on?
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:43 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Dave Land dml...@gmail.com wrote: _It_ is on, but nobody is on _it_. How's _it_ hangin' ? I'm a little surprised no one has posted ASL? yet on this thread... -- Mauro Diotallevi The number you have dialed is imaginary. Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
RE: Is this thing on?
On Stardate 20100121.2342, Wayne Eddy wrote: Say something about the free market and how or bad it is and that should fire up the list! Nah, for real fireworks you'd have to start a Palestinians good, Israel evil discussion. Or launch the next Abortion Is Evil thread. EVIL GRIN Jeroen Been there, done that van Baardwijk -- Wonderful World of Brin-L Website: www.brin-l.com Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia: www.brin-l.com/a4p ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Is this thing on?
I believe the exact phrasing is: The free market is evil: why it should be eradicated On Jan 22, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Jeroen van Baardwijk wrote: On Stardate 20100121.2342, Wayne Eddy wrote: Say something about the free market and how or bad it is and that should fire up the list! Nah, for real fireworks you'd have to start a Palestinians good, Israel evil discussion. Or launch the next Abortion Is Evil thread. EVIL GRIN Jeroen Been there, done that van Baardwijk -- Wonderful World of Brin-L Website: www.brin-l.com Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia: www.brin-l.com/a4p ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Is this thing on?
taps on microphone Is this thing on? /tapping Is this silence (no messages for several days) caused by technical issues, or is Brin-L no longer the high-volume list is once was? Jeroen van Baardwijk -- Wonderful World of Brin-L Website: www.brin-l.com Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia: www.brin-l.com/a4p ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Is this thing on?
Say something about the free market and how good or bad it is and that should fire up the list! On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:04 AM, Jeroen van Baardwijk jer...@brin-l.netwrote: taps on microphone Is this thing on? /tapping Is this silence (no messages for several days) caused by technical issues, or is Brin-L no longer the high-volume list is once was? Jeroen van Baardwijk -- Wonderful World of Brin-L Website: www.brin-l.com Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia: www.brin-l.com/a4p ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Is this thing on?
No. Jeroen van Baardwijk wrote: taps on microphone Is this thing on? /tapping Is this silence (no messages for several days) caused by technical issues, or is Brin-L no longer the high-volume list is once was? Jeroen van Baardwijk -- Wonderful World of Brin-L Website: www.brin-l.com Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia: www.brin-l.com/a4p ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Is this thing on?
_It_ is on, but nobody is on _it_. Dave On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Trent Shipley wrote: No. Jeroen van Baardwijk wrote: taps on microphone Is this thing on? /tapping Is this silence (no messages for several days) caused by technical issues, or is Brin-L no longer the high-volume list is once was? Jeroen van Baardwijk -- Wonderful World of Brin-L Website: www.brin-l.com Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia: www.brin-l.com/a4p ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Is this thing on?
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Dave Land dml...@gmail.com wrote: _It_ is on, but nobody is on _it_. How's _it_ hangin' ? ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Is this thing on?
Doug Pensinger wrote: Alberto wrote: The move was transparent to me - as far as receiving goes. OTOH, it seems that the list now encourages html-e-mail, and this is an evil thing that should be eradicated. Why is it evil, out of curiosity? Because it screws up the format of the message. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Is this thing on?
On Apr 2, 2009, at 4:48 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Doug Pensinger wrote:
Alberto wrote:
The move was transparent to me - as far as receiving goes. OTOH,
it seems that the list now encourages html-e-mail, and this
is an evil thing that should be eradicated.
Why is it evil, out of curiosity?
Because it screws up the format of the message.
As in the following, received as the first lines of an email from a
client:
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panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4; mso-font-charset:0; mso-generic-font-
family:swiss; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:1627421319
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Calligraphy; panose-1:3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1; mso-font-charset:0; mso-
generic-font-family:script; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-
signature:3 0 0 0 1 0;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal,
li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:; margin:0in; margin-
bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-
family:Times New Roman; mso-fareast-font-family:Times New
Roman;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-
decoration:underline; text-underline:single;} a:visited,
span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;
text-underline:single;} p.MsoPlainText, li.MsoPlainText,
div.MsoPlainText {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-
pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Courier
New; mso-fareast-font-family:Times New Roman;} p {mso-margin-top-
alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:
0in; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-
family:Times New Roman; mso-fareast-font-family:Times New
Roman;} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal; mso-style-
noshow:yes; mso-ansi-font-size:11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family:Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-
family:Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma; color:windowtext; mso-
text-animation:none; font-weight:normal; font-style:normal; text-
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reply; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-ansi-font-size:11.0pt; mso-bidi-
font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family:Tahoma;
mso-hansi-font-family:Tahoma; color:black; font-weight:normal; font-
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Not so useful.
Dave
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Is this thing on?
I woke up this morning wondering if moving the Brin-L list to Bluehost has somehow killed it... because I realized that I'm not getting any messages, only digests. This is weird. I just double-checked everything and there's no reason I can see that would prevent me from getting the mail. I'd ask if anybody else hasn't been getting list mail, but, well, you know. Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Is this thing on?
Nick Arnett moderated: I woke up this morning wondering if moving the Brin-L list to Bluehost has somehow killed it... because I realized that I'm not getting any messages, only digests. This is weird. The move was transparent to me - as far as receiving goes. OTOH, it seems that the list now encourages html-e-mail, and this is an evil thing that should be eradicated. I'd ask if anybody else hasn't been getting list mail, but, well, you know. You can just send one message to the list and add in the BCC: field a list of subscribers. Then ask if anyone received it just once. As list-overlord you have this list, don't you? Alberto Monteiro ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Is this thing on?
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Alberto Monteiro albm...@centroin.com.brwrote: You can just send one message to the list and add in the BCC: field a list of subscribers. Then ask if anyone received it just once. As list-overlord you have this list, don't you? Ah, I actually received this, after switching settings around. One of the rotten things about using a hosted mailing list service is that there's no simple way to get the subscriber list. Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Is this thing on?
Alberto wrote: The move was transparent to me - as far as receiving goes. OTOH, it seems that the list now encourages html-e-mail, and this is an evil thing that should be eradicated. Why is it evil, out of curiosity? Doug ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Scholastic Does the Right Thing
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In an impressive display of agility, educational publisher Scholastic has cancelled their planned distribution of study guides to accompany the Path to 9/11 miniseries and replaced them with a Media Literacy Discussion Guide that focuses on helping high-schoolers learn how to think about and interpret what they get from the media. Here's Scholastic's statement on the matter: http://www.scholastic.com/medialiteracy/ And the Media Literacy materials themselves: http://content.scholastic.com/browse/unitplan.jsp?id=175 Just imagine if religious conservatives had gotten the material on a Scholastic study guide changed. JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scholastic Does the Right Thing
On Sep 15, 2006, at 5:19 AM, jdiebremse wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In an impressive display of agility, educational publisher Scholastic has cancelled their planned distribution of study guides to accompany the Path to 9/11 miniseries and replaced them with a Media Literacy Discussion Guide that focuses on helping high-schoolers learn how to think about and interpret what they get from the media. Here's Scholastic's statement on the matter: http://www.scholastic.com/medialiteracy/ And the Media Literacy materials themselves: http://content.scholastic.com/browse/unitplan.jsp?id=175 Just imagine if religious conservatives had gotten the material on a Scholastic study guide changed. Actually, I believe Scholastic changed the guide because they themselves recognized that the Path to 9/11 film was flawed, unnecessarily divisive and ill-timed. I think it is telling that it was replaced by a Media Literacy curriculum. I don't think they just caved to all that pressure from us crazed liberals, I think that they felt that the film was so flawed that what students needed was to know how to view it critically. As to your Just imagine, here you go: a bit of imagining... NBC is famously preparing a strongly pro-choice Path to Choice miniseries, which they tout as based on the 'NIH Study on Conception and Life'. The film is previewed to a select group of pro-choice bloggers, NOW, ARAL and other so-called abortion advocates. The film is know to make numerous false statements about when life begins, and shows well-known persons shown doing and saying things that they had not done, in service of the film's agenda. In one scene that draws a lot of fire, it shows a top Focus on the Family staffer deciding to have an abortion, reasoning that life probably begins after a baby takes his or her first breath. Scholastic gets involved to create a study guide for what they feel is an important portrayal of a vital issue or our time. Their curriculum repeats the misleading portrayals in the film, bringing its biased pro-choice message to 100,000 high schools and painting James Dobson as a bit of a fraud. Right-to-life advocates -- spearheaded by James Dobson, furious at how Focus on the Family's position had been misstated -- mount a huge campaign pointing out the flaws in the film and asking NBC to correct its errors or can it. NBC decides to air the program largely intact, including the misleading scenes. Further pressure is brought on Scholastic, which decides to deliver a neutral curriculum on Making Difficult Ethical Decisions instead. Would I be upset by this outcome? Not at all: I would applaud Scholastic for declining to be involved in a smear against Dobson and for refusing to push one view of a highly divisive issue down the throats of millions of kids. Dave Actual Values Voter Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Scholastic Does the Right Thing
Folks, In an impressive display of agility, educational publisher Scholastic has cancelled their planned distribution of study guides to accompany the Path to 9/11 miniseries and replaced them with a Media Literacy Discussion Guide that focuses on helping high-schoolers learn how to think about and interpret what they get from the media. Here's Scholastic's statement on the matter: http://www.scholastic.com/medialiteracy/ And the Media Literacy materials themselves: http://content.scholastic.com/browse/unitplan.jsp?id=175 Of course, that these materials could be used _just_ as well to to teach kids how to decide what to think about Fahrenheit 911 as the Path to 9/11 miniseries. I wonder if ABC will show anything like this kind of class? Will they follow CBS's lead on the Reagan docudrama and relegate it to ABC Family or another Disney-owned cable outlet? Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
The real thing (was Re: The Continuing Saga of BD...)
On 3/1/06, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...who, after having lost a leg in Iraq, has PTSD. The story is spread out over several months, starting last November. Didn't quite realize this was Doonesbury until I looked. Speaking of PTSD, while visiting my folks in North Carolina last week, I took a side trip to meet Wes' crew chief, who was very, very badly injured by the same rocket that killed Wes. The fact that he's alive is amazing; the fact that he lost part of his brain and yet you'd hardly know it to meet him, is even more astonishing. But he has plenty to deal with, physically and psychologically, 15 months later. Among my first words to him were, Thank you for serving, and Welcome home. I try to remember to say that to every vet I meet. Perhaps it seems absurd to thank people for serving in a war I oppose, but life is absurd. Good people serve, are hurt and die, in wrong wars. He filled me in on the incident. Their crew had been shuttling Iraqi National Guard troops into Fallujah, accompanied by a couple of translators. They'd drop off troops and then advance to the next block of the city to give covering fire. They were at their base and refueling site, north of the city near the train station (story and picture from the day before Wes died: http://www.political-news.org/breaking/2099/iraq-train-station-turned-into-us-base.html; this one has a map: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6442623/). They had arranged their AAVs (a/k/a amtracs) in a semi-circle facing the city. The crew of four was in or around the vehicle -- this area as considered to be safe at this point (the train station had been seized the day before). The crew chief said he heard a big boom and saw a cloud of dust fly up, fairly far away. Fifteen or 20 minutes later, another one, closer, hit. When the third one hit, he was inside the vehicle, saw a bright flash of light and next thing he knew, he was face-down on the floor, noticing that he was bleeding badly, thinking, This is not good. He said that he looked around and saw more blood and thought, This is really not good. The AAV was smoking... and it was loaded with ammunition. Not a good situation. A number of Marines immediately ran to the vehicle to get the crew out. He said one was stopped because he wasn't wearing body armor. Between the ammunition and the fact that whoever was firing the rockets had their range, it was a brave thing to rush in there. A fourth round hit at some point, but he wasn't sure when. When they started treating him, he says his heart rate was 25 and respirations 8. He was mising part of his skull, a piece of his brain, one of his shoulder blades was shattered and there was a quarter-sized hole (an exit wound, apparently) next to his other shoulder. From what he described, he apparently had double hemothorax -- bleeding into both lungs, causing them to collapse. Somebody did a tracheotomy with a ball-point pen. Around this time, he passed out. One of the reasons he survived, I imagine, is that the helo pad for medevac was right nearby (he had thought the dust from the first round was from a helo at first). He eventually ended up in Germany and didn't come out of the coma until he was at Bethesda. He was so critically injured (the most critically of their entire batallion) that the Marines flew his family to Germany from South Carolina, partly to see him, partly in hopes that it would help bring him out of the coma and recover. At Bethesda, they told him he wasn't out of the woods yet -- there were three things that might still kill him: pneumonia, a stroke or infection. He said, I got all three. At the same time. Yet he survived. He's blind on one side of one eye and he's having to learn to read and write again, which he says is the hardest thing he's ever done (And you've been in combat, I replied.) Perhaps hardest of all, he feels responsible for Wes' death. He says he had just asked Wes to start the vehicle. I should have done that myself, he said. He told me that they found one of Wes' boots 100 yards in one direction, his helmet 50 yards the other way. And we talked about how some of Wes' friends had to collect what they could find of his body. As I probably have said here before, Wes has two graves. One is in Texas and now I know pretty much where the other is -- at the Fallujah train station. I was very glad to meet Wes' crew chief, even though it was difficult. From my own experiences as a paramedic, I know that it is good to tell your story to somebody who will listen and accept it without trying to fix anything, just to be a witness to the horror and absurdity, the helplessness. That's what I tried to do, though I found myself saying that somehow, it is okay that Wes died. We didn't want that, we'd undo it if we could, but somehow, we can accept it. He asked me if I thought it would be okay for him to get a tattoo of Wes' dog tags. It's fine with me, but I suggested he ask Chayla
Re: The real thing (was Re: The Continuing Saga of BD...)
On Mar 3, 2006, at 3:43 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: Among my first words to him were, Thank you for serving, and Welcome home. I try to remember to say that to every vet I meet. Perhaps it seems absurd to thank people for serving in a war I oppose, but life is absurd. Good people serve, are hurt and die, in wrong wars. Such an important point that it is vital to remember. The soldiers are doing a job they believe in and most are doing the best they can on behalf of our various countries, even if the task they're currently doing is one we (and many of them) think is wrong. Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The real thing (was Re: The Continuing Saga of BD...)
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:23:23 +1000, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 3, 2006, at 3:43 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: Among my first words to him were, Thank you for serving, and Welcome home. I try to remember to say that to every vet I meet. Perhaps it seems absurd to thank people for serving in a war I oppose, but life is absurd. Good people serve, are hurt and die, in wrong wars. Such an important point that it is vital to remember. The soldiers are doing a job they believe in and most are doing the best they can on behalf of our various countries, even if the task they're currently doing is one we (and many of them) think is wrong. And something we here in the U.S. did such a poor job of after Vietnam. We (in general) had this Universal Soldier* attitude even though most of the kids that had been over there had no (legal) say in the matter. We made such a mess of that war it's hard to believe that we've become entangled again so soon afterwards. -- Doug *Universal Soldier by Donovan He's five foot-two, and he's six feet-four, He fights with missiles and with spears. He's all of thirty-one, and he's only seventeen, Been a soldier for a thousand years. He'a a Catholic, a Hindu, an Atheist, a Jain, A Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew. And he knows he shouldn't kill, And he knows he always will, Kill you for me my friend and me for you. And he's fighting for Canada, He's fighting for France, He's fighting for the USA, And he's fighting for the Russians, And he's fighting for Japan, And he thinks we'll put an end to war this way. And he's fighting for Democracy, He's fighting for the Reds, He says it's for the peace of all. He's the one who must decide, Who's to live and who's to die, And he never sees the writing on the wall. But without him, How would Hitler have condemned him at Dachau? Without him Caesar would have stood alone, He's the one who gives his body As a weapon of the war, And without him all this killing can't go on. He's the Universal Soldier and he really is to blame, His orders come from far away no more, They come from here and there and you and me, And brothers can't you see, This is not the way we put the end to war. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Fw: Good thing you guys have express shipping...!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0764508865/002-0326109-1351274?v=gl ancen=283155n=507846s=booksv=glance OR http://tinyurl.com/avtk7 Scroll down to the review by Harriet M (shh!) - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fw: Good thing you guys have express shipping...!
Horn, John wrote: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0764508865/002-0326109-1351274?v=gl ancen=283155n=507846s=booksv=glance OR http://tinyurl.com/avtk7 Scroll down to the review by Harriet M (shh!) Uh, that's NOT how they say stare decisis in Texas. Unless UT pronounces things differently from SMU. :) (I took a business law course at one point) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Is this thing on?
No messages posted today... hmmm. -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Worst Thing Nixon Ever Did
On Thu, 06 May 2004 20:06:54 -0700, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote quoting http://www.techcentralstation.com/041504I.html ~~~ Doug, DDT was banned in the United States for obvious reasons and all but a few have hailed that decision. Those few are now getting funding from anti-government think tanks and some corporate sponsors. Tech Central Station, a fake news and opinion outlet supported by corporations it writes opinions for, is now paid to be against the DDT ban. TCS receives funding based on PR campaigns it undertakes for clients. For more on Tech Central Station see Meet the Press - How James Glassman reinvented journalism--as lobbying. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0312.confessore.html DDT use was already in decline in the US because of increased insect resistance. DDT (dichlorodiphenyltrichlorethane) killed many beneficial insects, birds, and aquatic animals not just malarial mosquitoes and it presents a carcinogenic risk to humans, DDT is a persistent chemical it does not break down but increasing builds up, particularly as it moves up the food chain. During the 1950s and 1960s several species of birds, including osprey, cormorant, brown pelican, bald eagle, prairie falcon, sparrow hawk, and peregrine falcon, were severely effected the pesticide DDT. A chemical derived from the DDT weakened the egg shells of these birds, reducing their ability to reproduce. From a Bush government website: How can DDT, DDE, and DDD affect my health? DDT affects the nervous system. People who accidentally swallowed large amounts of DDT became excitable and had tremors and seizures. These effects went away after the exposure stopped. No effects were seen in people who took small daily doses of DDT by capsule for 18 months. A study in humans showed that women who had high amounts of a form of DDE in their breast milk were unable to breast feed their babies for as long as women who had little DDE in the breast milk. Another study in humans showed that women who had high amounts of DDE in breast milk had an increased chance of having premature babies. In animals, short-term exposure to large amounts of DDT in food affected the nervous system, while long-term exposure to smaller amounts affected the liver. Also in animals, short-term oral exposure to small amounts of DDT or its breakdown products may also have harmful effects on reproduction. How likely are DDT, DDE, and DDD to cause cancer? Studies in DDT-exposed workers did not show increases in cancer. Studies in animals given DDT with the food have shown that DDT can cause liver cancer. The Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) determined that DDT may reasonable be anticipated to be a human carcinogen. The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) determined that DDT may possibly cause cancer in humans. The EPA determined that DDT, DDE, and DDD are probable human carcinogens. http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts35.html DDT is NOT banned now for control of malaria in most of the rest of the world. This recent campaign against regulation of DDT has evidently been started by companies making DDT because the United Nations has recently recommended a ban on all uses of DDT except for malaria control. This malaria organization wants to get rid of DDT, but not until a cheap effective replacement is found and may clarify some issues. http://www.malaria.org/DDTpage.html #1 on google for liberal news ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The (Third?) Worst Thing Nixon Ever Did
At 08:06 PM 5/6/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: http://www.techcentralstation.com/041504I.html Why did Nixon push for a [DDT] ban? We may never know. A few older Washington DC policy experts have suggested that some of his election campaign supporters were chemical companies that produced alternatives to DDT and so stood to gain handsomely by the DDT phase out. Others say that it is more likely that senior officials in his administration pressured Nixon into the decision given the potential votes he stood to lose in his native and very green state of California. But the why of his decision pales beside what this decision has wrought: two million deaths a year from malaria alone. Just imagine if Bush tried lifting the ban on DDT. JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
The Worst Thing Nixon Ever Did
http://www.techcentralstation.com/041504I.html Why did Nixon push for a [DDT] ban? We may never know. A few older Washington DC policy experts have suggested that some of his election campaign supporters were chemical companies that produced alternatives to DDT and so stood to gain handsomely by the DDT phase out. Others say that it is more likely that senior officials in his administration pressured Nixon into the decision given the potential votes he stood to lose in his native and very green state of California. But the why of his decision pales beside what this decision has wrought: two million deaths a year from malaria alone. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
The Most Laughable Thing
The funniest thing about Mr. Seeberger's allegations that the Vatican is trying to influence the US Presidential election in favor of President Bush is that the Vatican has been one of the most vocal opponents of this Administration's policies, anywhere - particularly when it comes to The War in Iraq and Tax Policy. To argue that the Vatican would try and intervene in an election on behalf of President Bush doesn't pass the laugh test. JDG - Not that this stops the conspiracy theories.. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Hello... hello? Is this thing on?
I'm not sure what the deal is, but apparently some folks have gotten no list mail since sometime Saturday. I've just restarted Mailman, hoping that will get things moving again. We've had some other odd behavior since about that time, so I'm wondering if there are some sort of network difficulties. Maybe the evil worm that's been clogging so many mailboxes actually messed something up, although I am quite certain it has not affected any machines here. Now I'll go look at the logs... -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Next Big Thing: Re: Peter Arnett has negative effect onratings
On Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:52:19 -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: As for the rest of your proposed coalition, the Malaysian regime is founded upon the principle of oppressing their ethnic-Chinese majority in favor of their ethnic-Malay minority. The Chinese and Malaysians simply hate each other, and indeed have an ongoing territorial dispute in the Spratly's. In the near and mid-terms, the odds of a Beijjing-Kuala Lumpur axis approach zero. These are actually 2 good examples of Chinese expansionism. The Chinese business savvy has allowed them to successfully infiltrate Malaysia economically. In 20 years they could own the country. The dispute in the Spratly islands pulls in several directions IIRC, while the Chinese have continued to implant themselves there. The ethnic Malay's are the **majority** in Malaysia. And while you call the Malaysian Chinese oppressed, some might call the Bhumi's advantaged. Just as ethnic Chinese are advantaged in Singapore. Call it affirmative action if you want. It is not unusual for a country to give advantages to its aboriginals. And in the end, this won't really matter to the Chinese, nor to the Malaysians as long as they both get a piece of the action. As for Singapore, they are one of the more prominent supporters of the US coalition on Iraq, so no fears there. People change. France was once big supporters of American action in Europe. Dean ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: The Next Big Thing
JDG wrote: Meanwhile, in France, even Le Monde has begun openly questioning the wisdom of Chirac's foreign policy in this crisis, and the wisdom of trying to align Paris with Moscow and Beijing. In other words, France may well be coming to their senses and starting to remember whom their real friends are and should be. France has two problems: they have to balance their arabphobia [hmmm... how do you say arab - a Latin word - in Greek?] with their antiamericanism. I know (half-dark)-skinned brazilians who were discriminated in France until they were proven *not* to be of Arab [and Islamic] origins. In the long term, an iraqian victory over the USA coalition would be much more disastrous to France. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: The Next Big Thing: Re: Peter Arnett has negative effecton ratings
On 2 Apr 2003 at 23:52, John D. Giorgis wrote: US to fuel their economic growth and prevent the economic collapse that might spell the end of the Communist Party there. Russia, reconciliation with the West, not opposition. Moreover, Russia is a dying country of declining population and a vast, underpopulated and resource-rich territory right on China's border, which it has long suspected that the Chinese have strategic ambitions for. As for the rest of your proposed coalition, the Malaysian regime is founded upon the principle of oppressing their ethnic-Chinese majority in favor of their ethnic-Malay minority. The Chinese and Malaysians simply hate each other, and indeed have an ongoing territorial dispute in the Spratly's. In the near and mid-terms, the odds of a To me those are telling words. Yes, China is currently reliant on trade. Currently has border disputes with countries which repress a chinese minority. And have long borders with an underpopulated resource-rich country. That's precisely WHY I'm afraid they'll turn expansionist. Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Brin: The Next Big Thing: Re: Peter Arnett has negative effect on ratings
At 02:07 PM 4/2/2003 -0800 d.brin wrote: It is unnecessary for China to conquer. Our worry must be that a large enough group of nations will get so pissed at us that you'll see a coalition stretching from Paris to Berlin to Moscow to Beijing, then down to Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, all dedicated to bringing us down a peg. The coalition I described above is totally plausible, incorporates half the people on the globe and many centers of high technology. I respectfully disagree that the above coalition is sufficiently plausible that it should dominate our foreign policy thinking. While the above coalition is surely not impossible, it is highly improbable. In the late 1990's, Russia was furious with us for our criticism of the Chechen War and our attack on their fellow Orthodox Christians, the Serbians. During this time, Russia and China attempted to form a strategic alliance to counterbalance the United States, but failed. This occurred because Russia and China are fundamentally at even greater strategic odds with each other than they are with the US. China is entirely reliant upon trade, particularly exports, with the US to fuel their economic growth and prevent the economic collapse that might spell the end of the Communist Party there. Russia, meanwhile, has the US allies in the European Union directly upon its doorstep and knows that tits long-term future comes from reconciliation with the West, not opposition. Moreover, Russia is a dying country of declining population and a vast, underpopulated and resource-rich territory right on China's border, which it has long suspected that the Chinese have strategic ambitions for. The Chinese on the other hand are a growing country (think US in the early 1800's) with a vast population and a desire for resources, and an underpopulated, resource-rich area sitting right on its borders. Under these circumstances, it is extremely difficult for Russia and China to develop the strategic trust necessary to make such an alliance work. As for the rest of your proposed coalition, the Malaysian regime is founded upon the principle of oppressing their ethnic-Chinese majority in favor of their ethnic-Malay minority. The Chinese and Malaysians simply hate each other, and indeed have an ongoing territorial dispute in the Spratly's. In the near and mid-terms, the odds of a Beijjing-Kuala Lumpur axis approach zero. As for Singapore, they are one of the more prominent supporters of the US coalition on Iraq, so no fears there. Meanwhile, in France, even Le Monde has begun openly questioning the wisdom of Chirac's foreign policy in this crisis, and the wisdom of trying to align Paris with Moscow and Beijing. In other words, France may well be coming to their senses and starting to remember whom their real friends are and should be. In other words, rather than fearing the French, I think that we should try and forgive France their mistakes and try to re-embrace them into the Western Alliance. So yes, the future is a scary place, mostly because anything is possible. In the meantime, however, the US continues to enjoy the support of a solid majority of the world's democracies a majority that will grow as soon as Schroeder's government falls in Germany, and a majority that has not yet lost France forever. Moreover, the possibility of Iraq joining the Western Civilization as a light among Arabs and Muslims, situated directly on the world's strategic pivot definitely makes the US' future in that great unknown yet to come *brighter*, not darker. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hey, maybe this human shield thing isn't all it's cracked up tobe
Jim Sharkey wrote: Or at least some have decided that: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/03/02/wshiel02.xmlsSheet=/news/2003/03/02/ixnewstop.html It's a lot harder to hold to your principles when the bombs might actually hit you, I suppose. What did these people expect exactly? Jim Survival of the witless maru Dunno just where their heads were -- in the clouds, or someplace a heck of a lot darker The thing with the human shields are, if they're at a particular place that's purely civilian, what's to keep the Iraqis from putting a military unit behind them? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Le Monde Is A Terrible Thing To Waste
From Slate's Daryl Cagle. He's their cartoonist. This was in their daily newsletter. Le Monde recently printed an article about how our political cartoonists are being pressured by the Bush Administration to support the war on Iraq. (Nice quality piece of research on their part, since I'd say at least 50-60% of the toons I see on the subject from American artists are anti-war and anti-Bush.) It's not like Le Monde is known for being a neutral, objective paper tho. Jon Oh! Those Those French People are Making Me REALLY MAD NOW! FRANCE by Daryl Cagle You probably know how I feel about French attitudes lately. A reporter from the big Paris newspaper, Le Monde, called me and asked me to tell her about how American cartoonists are pressured by our government to support a war with Iraq. The very idea is absurd, and I told her so. But I wasn't too surprised to see an article in Le Monde on Monday, telling French readers how American cartoonists are pressured to support a prospective war. Readers of our site know that most editorial cartoonist are liberal leaning and oppose a war on Iraq. The French like to think that the American press is bullied by the Bush administration, because all reasonable people should, naturally, agree with the French. Click here to respond to Le Monde's editor --come on, readers -- tell him what you think about Le Monde's preconceived notions about the American press. Click here to see this lousy article (sorry -it is in French). And click here to see our collection of cartoons about the French. Want to comment? Visit our comment board here. Arrrgh! Those Frenchmen make me so mad that I want to blast Iraq! Here is my letter to the editor of Le Monde: Dear Editor, Le Monde, I was troubled to read your article, Les Illustrateurs Américains Pris dans la Guerre des Images from Monday's edition of Le Monde. The idea that American editorial cartoonists are under pressure by their government to support a prospective war with Iraq is absurd. Your article uses quotes out of context to support an impression of our profession that is completely wrong. Almost all of the cartoonists in America draw whatever point of view they want, and are not pressured to support a prospective war with Iraq. Although any cartoonist can be censored by his editor, certainly no newspaper cartoonist here is censored by the government. The quote that you found from cartoonist, Steve Benson, addressed the events of 9/11, not the prospective war with Iraq, as is implied in the context of your article. Steve has complained that there was a period of national grief after 9/11, before editors felt it was appropriate for cartoonists to get back to their usual jokes and jabs. I doubt that you can find a cartoonist whose cartoons are more critical of the Bush administration than Steve Benson's. You cite Presidential Press Secretary, Ari Fleisher, denouncing a cartoon by cartoonist, Mike Marland, but did not mention that Marland's cartoon depicted a plane about to strike the World Trade Center as a metaphor to criticize the Bush administration's Social Security policy. This cartoon had nothing to do with a prospective war on Iraq and was criticized because it seemed in poor taste, at the time, to use this image to joke about the deaths at the twin towers. Marland is not syndicated, he works for a small newspaper and the supposedly offensive use of the World Trade Center as a metaphor, in cartoons about unrelated issues, has been repeated countless times by syndicated cartoonists with much larger audiences --with no outcry from their editors or readers. You can see many examples on my web site: www.cagle.slate.msn.com A majority of editorial cartoonists in America draw cartoons opposing or criticizing a prospective war in Iraq, while 60% of the American public favors going to war -but that fact contradicts with Le Monde's vision of a warmongering American press. American cartoonists enjoy press freedom and a lively, unfettered public debate. Our cartoons really do represent our opinions, without pressure from the government. Truly, Daryl Cagle Editorial Cartoonist for Slate.com We have a great new resource for readers to search for cartoons that are available to reprint in your publications -even you tiny neighborhood newsletter -for a tiny price. Come check it out at Caglecartoons.com _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Is this thing on?
It appears that the server was acting up, though I can't quite see what happened. For now, at least, it seems to be back to normal. -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [LINK] Baby's named a bad, bad thing...
In a message dated 11/1/2002 2:29:34 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Callahan-I think it could work for a boy or girl, but they had it listed as girl Will she be a rogue cop tracking down a serial killer using a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, capable of blowing your head clean off? Well, will she, punk? Bartender. And the shots will not stop at five or six. William Taylor -- C'mell would be a good girl's middle name. Hey Smelly! would not make it a good first name. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
