Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)
On 15 Oct 2008 at 11:37, William T Goodall wrote: It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto. Obvious Maru You posted a Manifesto? AndrewC Yes, I went there Maru Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)
On 15 Oct 2008, at 12:34, William T Goodall wrote: On 15 Oct 2008, at 02:04, David Hobby wrote: William T Goodall wrote: On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:10, William T Goodall wrote: I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you do not agree and that this behaviour could be offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Seems I was right. As usual Maru William-- Hi. I give up, what do you mean? It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto. Obvious Maru Bingo! More Obvious Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Debunking bullshit is a thankless task. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)
On 15 Oct 2008, at 02:04, David Hobby wrote: William T Goodall wrote: On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:10, William T Goodall wrote: I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you do not agree and that this behaviour could be offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Seems I was right. As usual Maru William-- Hi. I give up, what do you mean? It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto. Obvious Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Debunking bullshit is a thankless task. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 09:18 PM Tuesday 10/14/2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: At this point I cannot rule out some stupid technical problem, like a message that got caught in a queue somewhere and just now shook loose. It *does* happen sometimes. I wondered if that was what happened. History Repeats Itself Maru To me it is a variation on the old Don't assume malice when stupidity is sufficient principle.g Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Wagner's music is better than it sounds. -- Mark Twain ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 09:18 PM Tuesday 10/14/2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: At this point I cannot rule out some stupid technical problem, like a message that got caught in a queue somewhere and just now shook loose. It *does* happen sometimes. I wondered if that was what happened. History Repeats Itself Maru . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)
William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William T Goodall wrote: I don't know who wrote: snippage I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you do not agree and that this behaviour could be offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Seems I was right. It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto. Hey, did somebody go and develop Heroes powers while I've not been looking?! Debbi Brain, Brain, What Is Brain? Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)
On 15 Oct 2008, at 02:04, David Hobby wrote: William T Goodall wrote: On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:10, William T Goodall wrote: I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you do not agree and that this behaviour could be offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Seems I was right. As usual Maru William-- Hi. I give up, what do you mean? It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto. Obvious Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Debunking bullshit is a thankless task. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)
On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:10, William T Goodall wrote: I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you do not agree and that this behaviour could be offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Seems I was right. As usual Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Debunking bullshit is a thankless task. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)
William T Goodall wrote: On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:10, William T Goodall wrote: I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you do not agree and that this behaviour could be offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Seems I was right. As usual Maru William-- Hi. I give up, what do you mean? ---David Pernicious, superstitious nonsense, Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Nick Wrote Non sequitur? I bet Willie will insist that it was a sequitur. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)
Dan M wrote: Nick Wrote Non sequitur? I bet Willie will insist that it was a sequitur. Dan M. At this point I cannot rule out some stupid technical problem, like a message that got caught in a queue somewhere and just now shook loose. It *does* happen sometimes. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 The common argument that crime is caused by poverty is a kind of slander on the poor. - H.L. Mencken ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)
Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: At this point I cannot rule out some stupid technical problem, like a message that got caught in a queue somewhere and just now shook loose. It *does* happen sometimes. No, I think he means that the financial system crashed because the USA abandoned God and became an atheist country. Alberto must stop reading the Conservapedia Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Nick Arnett wrote: Your anti-religious postings are trivial. That's the problem. Science versus religion is a perfectly reasonable topic here. That's not what you're offering us. I think I am seeing both sides to some degree. I have unsubbed from other lists because of people who couldn't stop beating a dead horse, and I can see that it might have that effect on some folks here. But I also tend to think that unless there is a wide-spread reaction I would leave the other guy alone. As a middle ground (perhaps) folks can always use a bozo-filter to get rid of his posts. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Democracy means government by the uneducated, while aristocracy means government by the badly educated. -- G.K. Chesterton ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))
William T Goodall wrote: I think it's clear than Nick's behaviour here is quite inappropriate and deserves censure in the strongest terms. What happened to IAAMOAC? It's clear Nick doesn't like my opinions. It's even clearer that he's abusing his position in the most egregious manner and should apologise to me and the list for his outburst. The problem, William, is that your complain is based on the (false) assumption that the list is a democratic place, with elected representatives, and peer judgement. It's not. Someone pays to mantain it, so it's a plutocracy. In a plutocracy, the shareholders have absolute power to ban whoever they want. Another example is the Wikipedia. There is an appearance of democracy there, with people happily engaging in discussions and elections, with the delusion that there's free speech and democracy. In fact, it has an owner, and whenever he (or she or them or Them(tm)) decide, they will close everything and turn it into a paysite. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))
William T Goodall wrote: On 20 Aug 2008, at 15:12, Nick Arnett wrote: William, This is not a discussion list about religion. I don't think we've ever moderated anybody for frequent off-topic posting, but I'm growing increasingly concerned that many of your postings are a distraction and offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Others,including me, are just plain bored with it, since you haven't written anything new on the topic for a long, long time. I think it's clear than Nick's behaviour here is quite inappropriate and deserves censure in the strongest terms. What happened to IAAMOAC? It's clear Nick doesn't like my opinions. It's even clearer that he's abusing his position in the most egregious manner and should apologise to me and the list for his outburst. William-- Hey, I know you've been posting stuff like that for ages. Maybe it just stands out more when there aren't many other posts. I think it's O.K. if you post the stuff, but it's really one notch up from trolling. To that extent, I'm on your side. On the other hand, I think Nick was voicing a valid concern. Asking him to apologize for that is pushing it. ---David Evil pernicious nonsense, Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))
William, If you have something new to contribute to the discussion, I, for one, welcome it. If you have more of the same with which to spam the list, then I, for one, do not. I know that I can simply skip or delete your messages, but where is the spirit of IAAMOAC, forcing your fellow list-mates to delete all or most of your messages? Please, in the interests of community values, stop spamming the list with your hatred of religion, about which we are all completely, completely aware. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 20 Aug 2008, at 21:04, Dave Land wrote: William, If you have something new to contribute to the discussion, I, for one, welcome it. Newness is a rather high standard to set. Most of the arguments are quite old but still not settled. If you have more of the same with which to spam the list, then I, for one, do not. I know that I can simply skip or delete your messages, but where is the spirit of IAAMOAC, forcing your fellow list-mates to delete all or most of your messages? The silent majority on the list love reading my posts about the pernicious evil of religion. I don't think a couple of whiners should get to dictate to everybody else what gets posted here. Please, in the interests of community values, stop spamming the list with your hatred of religion, about which we are all completely, completely aware. One of the primary community values of this list is diversity of opinion. Expression Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 21/08/2008, at 7:48 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Newness is a rather high standard to set. Most of the arguments are quite old but still not settled. But you're not arguing, you're just posting third party articles that reinforce your worldview. The silent majority on the list love reading my posts about the pernicious evil of religion. I don't think a couple of whiners should get to dictate to everybody else what gets posted here. I mostly agree with your worldview, but I'm still tired of seeing articles I've mostly read elsewhere reprinted in full here by you. One of the primary community values of this list is diversity of opinion. Yes, but we all know yours already. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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William T Goodall wrote: On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:13, Olin Elliott wrote: By that description, 99% of the postings are off topic. And I'm not even the most frequent poster! You are, however, the most monotonous and boring. -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Language is a virus from outer space. -- William S. Burroughs ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 21 Aug 2008, at 11:04, Charlie Bell wrote: On 21/08/2008, at 7:48 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Newness is a rather high standard to set. Most of the arguments are quite old but still not settled. But you're not arguing, you're just posting third party articles that reinforce your worldview. What's wrong with that? The silent majority on the list love reading my posts about the pernicious evil of religion. I don't think a couple of whiners should get to dictate to everybody else what gets posted here. I mostly agree with your worldview, but I'm still tired of seeing articles I've mostly read elsewhere reprinted in full here by you. But people who don't agree may not have seen them. One of the primary community values of this list is diversity of opinion. Yes, but we all know yours already. Well maybe we can just all post our geek codes and then shut the list :-) Expression Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 21 Aug 2008, at 00:47, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: William T Goodall wrote: On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:13, Olin Elliott wrote: By that description, 99% of the postings are off topic. And I'm not even the most frequent poster! You are, however, the most monotonous and boring. I like to excel at everything I do. Mostest Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate. - Richard Dawkins ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))
I can't speak for other members of the list's silent majority. I, for one, see another news article on some cult or its members run amok,yawn, and hit Delete. Just thought you'd want to know. http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:55:55 +0100 On 21 Aug 2008, at 11:04, Charlie Bell wrote: On 21/08/2008, at 7:48 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Newness is a rather high standard to set. Most of the arguments are quite old but still not settled. But you're not arguing, you're just posting third party articles that reinforce your worldview. What's wrong with that? The silent majority on the list love reading my posts about the pernicious evil of religion. I don't think a couple of whiners should get to dictate to everybody else what gets posted here. I mostly agree with your worldview, but I'm still tired of seeing articles I've mostly read elsewhere reprinted in full here by you. But people who don't agree may not have seen them. One of the primary community values of this list is diversity of opinion. Yes, but we all know yours already. Well maybe we can just all post our geek codes and then shut the list :-) Expression Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 21 Aug 2008, at 14:07, Pat Mathews wrote: I can't speak for other members of the list's silent majority. I, for one, see another news article on some cult or its members run amok,yawn, and hit Delete. Just thought you'd want to know. What makes you think you're part of the list's silent majority? Contradiction Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Theists cannot be trusted as they believe that right and wrong are the arbitrary proclamations of invisible demons. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 08:38 AM Thursday 8/21/2008, William T Goodall wrote: On 21 Aug 2008, at 14:07, Pat Mathews wrote: I can't speak for other members of the list's silent majority. I, for one, see another news article on some cult or its members run amok,yawn, and hit Delete. Just thought you'd want to know. What makes you think you're part of the list's silent majority? If they are indeed _silent_, what makes you think they agree with you? . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Pat Mathews wrote: I can't speak for other members of the list's silent majority. I, for one, see another news article on some cult or its members run amok,yawn, and hit Delete. Ditto. --[Lance] -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn! Blankenship wrote: If they are indeed _silent_, what makes you think they agree with you? He's a mind reader. Doesn't believe in religion, but does believe in telepathy. :-) The Amazing William Maru --[Lance] -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Ronn! Blankenship wrote: If they are indeed _silent_, what makes you think they agree with you? He's a mind reader. Doesn't believe in religion, but does believe in telepathy. :-) The Amazing William Maru LOL! Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)
I haven't weighed in on this yet because I'm sort of a newbie on this list, and there's probably history to this that I'm missing, but I'm very familiar with lists where I'm not especailly interested in (or necessarily agree with) every post I get on every list. Some are offensive, some are annoying, some I'm just not interested in, and I tune them out. I'm used to doing that, it's no big deal. As far as this particular subject goes, I'm probably at least as anti- religion as William, as far as my perception and opinions are concerned. My opposition to religion is probably much more specific, as I've learned a great deal about the more socially damaging elements of organized religion and can name names and make pretty accurate guesses as to where the bodies are buried, but I tend to find anti- religious posts comforting rather than offensive, because they tell me someone is actually paying attention and noticing that there's something rotten in Denmark, so to speak. Long posts that are mostly quoted content from other sources, maybe, maybe not, that's more of a technical rule, but the overall tone not only doesn't bother me, I welcome it. I find the meta-discussion considerably more distracting than the discussion itself, because the meta-discussion brings the question into play of silencing a contributor to the discussion, and that *always* involves some question of whether that person is being silenced for purely procedural reasons, which may be legitimate in some cases, or if the person is being silenced because the owner or moderator *personally* finds the subject matter of the discussion offensive, which is a more serious concern for me because it begins to hint at censorship, which I personally find far more offensive than specific points of view on organized religion. William's objection seems to be that the decision to moderate him is coming at a point in the discussion that suggests the decision to moderate him is influenced by a disagreement with the subject matter as much as any technical or procedural reasons, if I understand his comments correctly. If true, that's a very serious (and IMHO legitimate) concern that should be addressed by this meta-discussion if it continues. I'm only an ordinary list participant, but I've seen this sort of meta- discussion bog down or even kill email discussion lists. Can we leave well enough alone, or take the more detailed discussion of technical/ procedural issues offlist? And as far as on-list meta-discussion is concerned, can we hear some reassurance that *legitimate* comments and posts against organized religion that fit within the spirit of the list are acceptable? If it's not OK on this list to be against religion, I have some issues with that, especially if it's a cause for being moderated. On Aug 20, 2008, at 9:12 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: This is not a discussion list about religion. I don't think we've ever moderated anybody for frequent off-topic posting, but I'm growing increasingly concerned that many of your postings are a distraction and offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Others,including me, are just plain bored with it, since you haven't written anything new on the topic for a long, long time. I'm probably not a typical Texan in that I don't hunt. I fish, but I don't hunt. And it has nothing to do with how I think it might somehow be more holy to eat meat that's been bludgeoned to death by someone else, that's not it. It's really early in the morning, it's really cold outside, and...I don't wanna go. -- Ron White ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: William's objection seems to be that the decision to moderate him There has been no such decision. We remain extremely reluctant to moderate anybody, for the very reasons you cite. There is discussion, which is necessary for those member of the list who wish to participate in its management to participate. And as far as on-list meta-discussion is concerned, can we hear some reassurance that *legitimate* comments and posts against organized religion that fit within the spirit of the list are acceptable? If it's not OK on this list to be against religion, I have some issues with that, especially if it's a cause for being moderated. Such opinions would never be a reason for moderation as long I have a say in it. Offensiveness is not really the issue and I shouldn't have included it in my concerns. My real concern is the non-originality of the postings, using up peoples' attention on posts that add little or nothing to our understanding of the issue or appreciation of William's position on the subject (which in my mind needs no further clarification, unless it changes). It seems to me like persuasion with a blunt object, which does, at some point, violate our guidelines. I have never and will never decide that on my own, except in crystal-clear cases of spamming and such. This is far, far from crystal clear and hence we're talking about it. My hope is that some consensus will emerge and the community will have managed the issue on its own. Judging by the responses, it seems that the majority finds the postings as tiresome as I do. There are plenty of non-trivial arguments against religion. Let's see some of those sharp tools instead of the relentless pounding of a dull one, I say. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 21 Aug 2008, at 16:19, Bruce Bostwick wrote: I haven't weighed in on this yet because I'm sort of a newbie on this list, and there's probably history to this that I'm missing, but I'm very familiar with lists where I'm not especailly interested in (or necessarily agree with) every post I get on every list. Some are offensive, some are annoying, some I'm just not interested in, and I tune them out. I'm used to doing that, it's no big deal. Exactly. There are thousands of posts I haven't read on this list. There used to be some posters that I pretty much never read anything by but they aren't here any more. Nick's complaint is that because he is a list moderator he has to read all the posts. I guess that's just the price that comes with that job. As far as this particular subject goes, I'm probably at least as anti- religion as William, as far as my perception and opinions are concerned. My opposition to religion is probably much more specific, as I've learned a great deal about the more socially damaging elements of organized religion and can name names and make pretty accurate guesses as to where the bodies are buried, but I tend to find anti- religious posts comforting rather than offensive, because they tell me someone is actually paying attention and noticing that there's something rotten in Denmark, so to speak. Long posts that are mostly quoted content from other sources, maybe, maybe not, that's more of a technical rule, but the overall tone not only doesn't bother me, I welcome it. I like to see posts denouncing the pernicious poisonous filth of religion too. I find posts about prayer and faith and suchlike offensive and repulsive and feel that opposing views deserve equal consideration. I find the meta-discussion considerably more distracting than the discussion itself, because the meta-discussion brings the question into play of silencing a contributor to the discussion, and that *always* involves some question of whether that person is being silenced for purely procedural reasons, which may be legitimate in some cases, or if the person is being silenced because the owner or moderator *personally* finds the subject matter of the discussion offensive, which is a more serious concern for me because it begins to hint at censorship, which I personally find far more offensive than specific points of view on organized religion. William's objection seems to be that the decision to moderate him is coming at a point in the discussion that suggests the decision to moderate him is influenced by a disagreement with the subject matter as much as any technical or procedural reasons, if I understand his comments correctly. If true, that's a very serious (and IMHO legitimate) concern that should be addressed by this meta-discussion if it continues. There are no 'technical or procedural' reasons for objecting to my posts on the matter of religion: it's an attempt by some to silence the expression of views they don't like plain and simple. Pernicious Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate. - Richard Dawkins ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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William T Goodall wrote: There are no 'technical or procedural' reasons for objecting to my posts on the matter of religion: it's an attempt by some to silence the expression of views they don't like plain and simple. Are you kidding? This is entirely about technical/procedural objections! It's rude and against many internet taboos to re-post a referenced article in it's entirety to a mailing list, because it wastes everyone's time and bandwidth. If someone is interested in an article they can follow the link you send. But beyond rudeness it's a simple, clear copyright violation. The New York Times or Google News or whatever other source you've copied would be well within their rights under the law to scour the Brin-L list for William T. Goodall re-posts and require that they be purged from the archives. This isn't censorship in any form, it's basal crass commercialism: that article is worth money to them and you just ripped them off. Furthermore, this mailing list is not your personal de.licio.us/ma.gnolia/digg/google reader shared items feed for you to track interesting articles that you read in the news, this is a discussion list. If you want to start a discussion: start one. Make a point. Provide some commentary (and no, a single Maru line isn't exactly commentary). Better yet: Ask a question or two! Ouch, that may sound more hostile than intended, so let me bottom line it: I'm probably as anti-religious as you and I would say the same thing for any other poster that posted similarly useless, rude posts that don't fit the mailing list medium and would be better in some other environment such as the aforementioned social bookmarking sites. -- --Max Battcher-- http://www.worldmaker.net/ Don't Copy That Floppy or News Site Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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The list has now been dominated by this discusion for much longer than seems reasonable. It is much more distracting than William's posts. - Original Message - From: Nick Arnettmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic.,monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)) On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrotemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ronn! Blankenship wrote: If they are indeed _silent_, what makes you think they agree with you? He's a mind reader. Doesn't believe in religion, but does believe in telepathy. :-) The Amazing William Maru LOL! Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-lhttp://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))
On 21 Aug 2008, at 18:53, Olin Elliott wrote: The list has now been dominated by this discusion for much longer than seems reasonable. It is much more distracting than William's posts. It does seem an enormous amount of fuss about one or two posts per week. That's why I don't believe the reasons given for it. Occam's Razor Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate. - Richard Dawkins ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))
At 09:33 AM Thursday 8/21/2008, Lance A. Brown wrote: Ronn! Blankenship wrote: If they are indeed _silent_, what makes you think they agree with you? He's a mind reader. Doesn't believe in religion, but does believe in telepathy. :-) The Amazing William Maru --[Lance] I was being ***really*** nice and not saying exactly that. Telepathy Works Both Ways Maru . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)
William, This is not a discussion list about religion. I don't think we've ever moderated anybody for frequent off-topic posting, but I'm growing increasingly concerned that many of your postings are a distraction and offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Others,including me, are just plain bored with it, since you haven't written anything new on the topic for a long, long time. As a reminder, here is the list description: This list is a community of people who are interested in the writings of David Brin and his fellow Killer Bees -- Gregory Benford, Greg Bear... and recently inducted members Stephen Baxter and Vernor Vinge. These authors represent the portion of the science fiction genre that takes science seriously, emphasizing careful thought experiments about plausible tomorrows. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 4:47 AM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gOpmWyOXR5j94s1rzxyBpDv886JQ Toddler 'starved to death by cult' ... Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)
On 20 Aug 2008, at 15:12, Nick Arnett wrote: William, This is not a discussion list about religion All is Brin. . I don't think we've ever moderated anybody for frequent off-topic posting, but I'm growing increasingly concerned that many of your postings are a distraction and offensive to some who might otherwise participate. On 22 Dec 2003, at 04:03, Doug Pensinger wrote: With all due respect, if we stopped talking about everything that makes someone upset, we may as well shut down the list because we wouldn't even be able to discuss the weather. Others,including me, are just plain bored with it, since you haven't written anything new on the topic for a long, long time. Don't read it then. I certainly don't read every post to this list. I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you do not agree and that this behaviour could be offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Watchmen Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)
By that description, 99% of the postings are off topic. Olin - Original Message - From: Nick Arnettmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:12 AM Subject: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion) William, This is not a discussion list about religion. I don't think we've ever moderated anybody for frequent off-topic posting, but I'm growing increasingly concerned that many of your postings are a distraction and offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Others,including me, are just plain bored with it, since you haven't written anything new on the topic for a long, long time. As a reminder, here is the list description: This list is a community of people who are interested in the writings of David Brin and his fellow Killer Bees -- Gregory Benford, Greg Bear... and recently inducted members Stephen Baxter and Vernor Vinge. These authors represent the portion of the science fiction genre that takes science seriously, emphasizing careful thought experiments about plausible tomorrows. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 4:47 AM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrotemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gOpmWyOXR5j94s1rzxyBpDv886JQhttp://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gOpmWyOXR5j94s1rzxyBpDv886JQ Toddler 'starved to death by cult' ... Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-lhttp://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:10 AM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Don't read it then. I certainly don't read every post to this list. Bzzzt. As you know, I am one of the list managers and as a group, we do and we will read all the messages. I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you do not agree and that this behaviour could be offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Gee, who could have seen that response coming? And... baloney. Your anti-religious postings are trivial. That's the problem. Science versus religion is a perfectly reasonable topic here. That's not what you're offering us. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:22, Nick Arnett wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:10 AM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't read it then. I certainly don't read every post to this list. Bzzzt. As you know, I am one of the list managers and as a group, we do and we will read all the messages. Maybe you should stop being a list manager if it's too taxing for you. I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you do not agree and that this behaviour could be offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Gee, who could have seen that response coming? And... baloney. Your anti-religious postings are trivial. That's the problem. Science versus religion is a perfectly reasonable topic here. That's not what you're offering us. Those are your opinions with which I disagree. QED Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)
On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:13, Olin Elliott wrote: By that description, 99% of the postings are off topic. And I'm not even the most frequent poster! Agenda Maru The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. - Albert Einstein -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))
On 20 Aug 2008, at 15:12, Nick Arnett wrote: William, This is not a discussion list about religion. I don't think we've ever moderated anybody for frequent off-topic posting, but I'm growing increasingly concerned that many of your postings are a distraction and offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Others,including me, are just plain bored with it, since you haven't written anything new on the topic for a long, long time. I think it's clear than Nick's behaviour here is quite inappropriate and deserves censure in the strongest terms. What happened to IAAMOAC? It's clear Nick doesn't like my opinions. It's even clearer that he's abusing his position in the most egregious manner and should apologise to me and the list for his outburst. Civil Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
