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On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm probably not terribly creepy otherwise. Unless women in Utilikilts creeps you out.) Original or Leather? (Somehow I don't see you in Spartan or Tuxedo.) -- Mauro Diotallevi Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Don't drink and derive. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm probably not terribly creepy otherwise. Unless women in Utilikilts creeps you out.) Original or Leather? (Somehow I don't see you in Spartan or Tuxedo.) Jean Cut and Workman, actually. (Blue denim and black, respectively.) I don't think the Mocker would work on me, either. I want to get another blue denim Jean Cut and a black Survival. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Feb 27, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3jane.net wrote: (I'm probably not terribly creepy otherwise. Unless women in Utilikilts creeps you out.) Original or Leather? (Somehow I don't see you in Spartan or Tuxedo.) From the Leather page: Why are you even here? The Leather is too much Utilikilt for you. Heck it’s too much Utilikilt for men who are twice or perhaps even three times the man you are. The Leather is the warmest, heaviest, most expensive, most amazingly badass, most go-to-a-bar-and-have-women-ask-to-touch-your-Utilikilt garment we offer. This baby isn’t for the meek. The Leather is for real men. Big men. Men who aren’t afraid to wear large swaths of cow around their waists. Men who take secret pleasure in making vegans and bovine activists cry. ... We had to redesign our whole pleating system to get it to work with this gorgeous material. The results? This Utilikilt is undoubtedly better hung than you are. They seem to have a great sense of humo(u)r about themselves. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Julia Thompson wrote: Well, if there had been anyone across the street *to* see on one of the recent windy days (as if we got any other kind right here?), they would have told you I wasn't a proper Scotsman. Take that however you like. :) OTOH, here in Brazil we are experiencing a quite normal Summer. Lots of hot days, with sporadic heavy rains. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 11:28 PM Saturday 2/23/2008, Julia Thompson wrote: On Sat, 23 Feb 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 07:12 PM Saturday 2/23/2008, Julia Thompson wrote: On Sat, 23 Feb 2008, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but fairly traditional on Brin-L, some of the thread creep here has been pretty impressive over the years. Hey! No name-calling. I am NOT a thread creep! But I am. :) (I'm probably not terribly creepy otherwise. Unless women in Utilikilts creeps you out.) It depends on what you wear underneath it . . . -- Ronn! :) Well, if there had been anyone across the street *to* see on one of the recent windy days (as if we got any other kind right here?), they would have told you I wasn't a proper Scotsman. So you didn't have one of those hairy things hanging between your legs. What'd you do with your keys and junk, carry a purse? Sporran Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 11:28 PM Saturday 2/23/2008, Julia Thompson wrote: On Sat, 23 Feb 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 07:12 PM Saturday 2/23/2008, Julia Thompson wrote: On Sat, 23 Feb 2008, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but fairly traditional on Brin-L, some of the thread creep here has been pretty impressive over the years. Hey! No name-calling. I am NOT a thread creep! But I am. :) (I'm probably not terribly creepy otherwise. Unless women in Utilikilts creeps you out.) It depends on what you wear underneath it . . . -- Ronn! :) Well, if there had been anyone across the street *to* see on one of the recent windy days (as if we got any other kind right here?), they would have told you I wasn't a proper Scotsman. So you didn't have one of those hairy things hanging between your legs. What'd you do with your keys and junk, carry a purse? Utilikilt = BIG pockets. Keys hanging off belt, junk in pockets or hanging off belt. (PDA + headphones fit nicely in one pocket, along with lip gloss and Leatherman Micra. Yes, I'm packing scissors! And then there's another big pocket on the other side for money and dice and stuff.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Warren Ockrassa wrote: I'd like to see you go for a week's worth of posts without once mentioning religion. Think you could manage that kind of a challenge? I will pray for William so that he may resist this temptation. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warren Ockrassa wrote: I'd like to see you go for a week's worth of posts without once mentioning religion. Think you could manage that kind of a challenge? I will pray for William so that he may resist this temptation. I'd be satisfied if he'd change the subject line when he changes the subject. Basic netiquette. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 23 Feb 2008, at 16:20, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warren Ockrassa wrote: I'd like to see you go for a week's worth of posts without once mentioning religion. Think you could manage that kind of a challenge? I will pray for William so that he may resist this temptation. I'd be satisfied if he'd change the subject line when he changes the subject. Basic netiquette. You didn't change it either. Pot / Kettle Maru. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 8:41 AM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be satisfied if he'd change the subject line when he changes the subject. Basic netiquette. You didn't change it either. Choose your reply: (1) That wouldn't have been as satisfying. - or (for bonus points) - (2) God distracted me. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 23 Feb 2008, at 06:10, Warren Ockrassa wrote: I'd like to see you go for a week's worth of posts without once mentioning religion. Think you could manage that kind of a challenge? Religion is probably the most innocuous topic for me to bring up. Flame wars Maru. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Theists cannot be trusted as they believe that right and wrong are the arbitrary proclamations of invisible demons. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 12:10 AM Saturday 2/23/2008, Warren Ockrassa wrote: == Traffic Woes and Light Derailments == == A Drama in Two Acts== == Act the First: Two PERSONS and a GODBOY in an elevator. [...] Act the Second: Two PERSONS and an ATHEIST in an elevator. [...] *SNORK!* -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 24/02/2008, at 3:20 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warren Ockrassa wrote: I'd like to see you go for a week's worth of posts without once mentioning religion. Think you could manage that kind of a challenge? I will pray for William so that he may resist this temptation. I'd be satisfied if he'd change the subject line when he changes the subject. Basic netiquette. Yeah, but fairly traditional on Brin-L, some of the thread creep here has been pretty impressive over the years. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Feb 23, 2008, at 9:50 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Feb 2008, at 06:10, Warren Ockrassa wrote: I'd like to see you go for a week's worth of posts without once mentioning religion. Think you could manage that kind of a challenge? Religion is probably the most innocuous topic for me to bring up. Then bring up nothing at all for a while. Silence is Golden Maru. -- \/\/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 05:43 PM Saturday 2/23/2008, Charlie Bell wrote: Yeah, but fairly traditional on Brin-L, some of the thread creep here has been pretty impressive over the years. Probably not the best list to be on if thread creep creeps you out . . . Creepy Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but fairly traditional on Brin-L, some of the thread creep here has been pretty impressive over the years. Hey! No name-calling. I am NOT a thread creep! Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Feb 23, 2008, at 5:33 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but fairly traditional on Brin-L, some of the thread creep here has been pretty impressive over the years. Hey! No name-calling. I am NOT a thread creep! Yeah, I was going to correct Charlie that the thread creepS here HAVE been pretty impressive but was afraid of being accused of grammar Nazihood, which is something to be avoided, for the love of Godwin. -- \/\/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Sat, 23 Feb 2008, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but fairly traditional on Brin-L, some of the thread creep here has been pretty impressive over the years. Hey! No name-calling. I am NOT a thread creep! But I am. :) (I'm probably not terribly creepy otherwise. Unless women in Utilikilts creeps you out.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 23 Feb 2008, at 23:25, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Feb 23, 2008, at 9:50 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Feb 2008, at 06:10, Warren Ockrassa wrote: I'd like to see you go for a week's worth of posts without once mentioning religion. Think you could manage that kind of a challenge? Religion is probably the most innocuous topic for me to bring up. Then bring up nothing at all for a while. Without my interesting and well crafted posts this list would be moribund. Raconteur Maru. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ if the bible proves the existence of god, then superman comics prove the existence of superman - Usenet ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 07:12 PM Saturday 2/23/2008, Julia Thompson wrote: On Sat, 23 Feb 2008, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but fairly traditional on Brin-L, some of the thread creep here has been pretty impressive over the years. Hey! No name-calling. I am NOT a thread creep! But I am. :) (I'm probably not terribly creepy otherwise. Unless women in Utilikilts creeps you out.) It depends on what you wear underneath it . . . -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 08:12 PM Saturday 2/23/2008, William T Goodall wrote: Without my interesting and well crafted posts this list would be moribund. So when are you going to make an interesting and well-crafted post? You Walked Right Into That One Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Sat, 23 Feb 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 07:12 PM Saturday 2/23/2008, Julia Thompson wrote: On Sat, 23 Feb 2008, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but fairly traditional on Brin-L, some of the thread creep here has been pretty impressive over the years. Hey! No name-calling. I am NOT a thread creep! But I am. :) (I'm probably not terribly creepy otherwise. Unless women in Utilikilts creeps you out.) It depends on what you wear underneath it . . . -- Ronn! :) Well, if there had been anyone across the street *to* see on one of the recent windy days (as if we got any other kind right here?), they would have told you I wasn't a proper Scotsman. Take that however you like. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The deniers are practising religious thinking. They start from the desired conclusion and cherry pick and misrepresent evidence to support that desired conclusion. Just like creationists and other religious asshats. rolls eyes...again As all here know, I have no patience with deliberately ignorant fundamentalists of all ilk, but once again you are lumping together all believers. And even all conservative evangelicals are not in one camp: http://www.religionlink.org/tip_061017a.php ...Evangelical Christians - who wield power through their increasing numbers and political influence - made headlines by joining the many faith groups expressing concern about climate change. The Evangelical Climate Initiative - including megachurch pastors, presidents of Christian colleges, and other leaders - issued a manifesto called Climate Change: An Evangelical Call to Action. While liberal and moderate faith groups have long embraced environmental concerns, many conservative Christians have considered the scientific evidence inconclusive and called steps to reduce greenhouse gases unwarranted, detrimental and, in some cases, unrelated to religious obligation. Evangelical leaders' high-profile campaign against global warming, however, revealed that sharp disagreement still exists among some in this group. Experts say the divided opinions among evangelicals may be key to political action on global warming... ...'The Great Warming' [is a film] endorsed by religious groups including the Evangelical Environmental Network. Narrated by stars Keanu Reeves and Alanis Morissette, it includes an interview with Richard Cizik, vice president for governmental affairs of the National Association of Evangelicals and a major voice supporting creation care, a favored Christian term for environmental awareness and action. Cizik has written a letter on NAE letterhead that appears on the film's Web site urging churches to screen the film and join the campaign to reduce global warming. The producers are encouraging congregations of all persuasions to screen the film for their members... And what about Buddhists and Hindus who honor or revere Nature as manifestation of Creation or the Divine? Debbi Heretic Lutheran Gaian Deist Maru Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 22 Feb 2008, at 21:43, Deborah Harrell wrote: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The deniers are practising religious thinking. They start from the desired conclusion and cherry pick and misrepresent evidence to support that desired conclusion. Just like creationists and other religious asshats. rolls eyes...again As all here know, I have no patience with deliberately ignorant fundamentalists of all ilk, but once again you are lumping together all believers. And even all conservative evangelicals are not in one camp: My point was that this form of thinking can be used to support anything. Some will use it to support one thing, others its opposite. What none of them do is consider the evidence and decide based on that. Instead they pick a conclusion based on faith (based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof) and then try and bolster it with misinformation and illogic. Religion is Evil because it destroys rational discourse Maru. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 2:24 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point was that this form of thinking can be used to support anything. Some will use it to support one thing, others its opposite. Ah, yes. We know. Did it have something to do with the per capita cost of infrastructure, or is this just becoming a standard reply to any question? Perhaps you were suggesting that religion should not be used to calculate the cost of infrastructure? Or what? Religion is Evil because it destroys rational discourse Maru. It certainly seems to have hijacked this thread. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 23 Feb 2008, at 00:56, Nick Arnett wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 2:24 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point was that this form of thinking can be used to support anything. Some will use it to support one thing, others its opposite. Ah, yes. We know. Did it have something to do with the per capita cost of infrastructure, or is this just becoming a standard reply to any question? The pernicious influence of religion infests the discussion of a great many topics. Perhaps you were suggesting that religion should not be used to calculate the cost of infrastructure? Or what? It shouldn't be used to calculate anything. Religion is Evil because it destroys rational discourse Maru. It certainly seems to have hijacked this thread. Asking the right questions is better than arguing about the answers to the wrong questions. Simplify Maru. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Feb 22, 2008, at 6:05 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Religion is Evil because it destroys rational discourse Maru. It certainly seems to have hijacked this thread. Asking the right questions is better than arguing about the answers to the wrong questions. Actually, the right question would have been one that addresses the per capita cost and/or value of infrastructur, rather than yet another of your tiresome piss-posts about religion. As it is, your posts are the exact equivalent of someone habitually posting FIRST! to an online forum: It's repetitive, adds zero value to the discussion, and seems to satisfy only your need to interrupt the natural flow of the conversation. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 23 Feb 2008, at 02:26, Dave Land wrote: On Feb 22, 2008, at 6:05 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Religion is Evil because it destroys rational discourse Maru. It certainly seems to have hijacked this thread. Asking the right questions is better than arguing about the answers to the wrong questions. Actually, the right question would have been one that addresses the per capita cost and/or value of infrastructur, rather than yet another of your tiresome piss-posts about religion. As it is, your posts are the exact equivalent of someone habitually posting FIRST! to an online forum: It's repetitive, adds zero value to the discussion, and seems to satisfy only your need to interrupt the natural flow of the conversation. I think I add enormous value to the conversation. It's just a pity you can't see it yet. Most valuable contributor Maru. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 23/02/2008, at 9:24 AM, William T Goodall wrote: My point was that this form of thinking can be used to support anything. Some will use it to support one thing, others its opposite. Anyone can do that, doesn't take religion. What none of them do is consider the evidence and decide based on that. Actually, some of them do. They may use the hey, we've got faith too bit in order to spread it, but at least *part* of their thinking is evidence based. Look at Ken Miller for a great example - Christian but one of the best lecturers on evolution. Instead they pick a conclusion based on faith (based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof) and then try and bolster it with misinformation and illogic. Not just the religious do that. There are plenty of non-religious anti- vaccination twats, HIV deniers and so on. Lack of critical thinking is a big issue, and religion does encourage that, but look after the critical thinking and the religion will look after itself. If the church is relegated to social club as it is in large parts of Europe, that's fine. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 23 Feb 2008, at 03:03, Charlie Bell wrote: Lack of critical thinking is a big issue, and religion does encourage that, but look after the critical thinking and the religion will look after itself. If the church is relegated to social club as it is in large parts of Europe, that's fine. Religion has a vested interest in discouraging critical thinking. Christianity The belief that some cosmic, Jewish zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. Religion advocates use all the dirty tricks in the debating manual to promote their filthy disgusting lies. And they overcome their hatred for each other to band together to attack rationality since it threatens them all. Brotherhood of con-men Maru. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 09:50 PM Friday 2/22/2008, William T Goodall wrote: Christianity The belief that some cosmic, Jewish zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. That's only one version. And even a cursory perusal of the daily news suggests that plenty of people today seem to be possessed by an evil force regardless of whether they believe in original sin or in anything resembling religion at all . . . -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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== Traffic Woes and Light Derailments == == A Drama in Two Acts== == Act the First: Two PERSONS and a GODBOY in an elevator. Person 1: The other day I was stuck in traffic for nearly two hours. Sheesh! Person 2: Yeah, it's a real nightmare since the construction began. GodBoy: When I'm stuck in traffic I like to pray to Jesus! Person 1: I wonder if the plans they have for light rail will help. Person 2: Can you imagine the construction issues with *that*? GodBoy: I can't wait for light rail! Then I'll be able to sit and read the Bible instead of having to drive! Person 1: Actually I'd like to see more bike paths. Person 2: No joke! Less traffic congestion, less pollution, and a healthier population. Wins all around. GodBoy: When I ride my bike I listen to ChristGasm on my iPod! Person 1: Hey, man, do you have to turn everything we talk about into some kind of God or Jesus issue? Person 2: Yeah. This one-track-mind thing of yours gets pretty fuckin' old. It's like religion has fried your capacity to carry on a rational discussion about anything else. GodBoy: ...I'm going to pray for you. [Exit.] Act the Second: Two PERSONS and an ATHEIST in an elevator. Person 1: The other day I was stuck in traffic for nearly two hours. Sheesh! Person 2: Yeah, it's a real nightmare since the construction began. Atheist: They're just widening to road so the Jesus freaks can get to church more quickly. Person 1: I wonder if the plans they have for light rail will help. Person 2: Can you imagine the construction issues with *that*? Atheist: Can you imagine light rail filled with religious lunatics all spouting off about their god? Person 1: Actually I'd like to see more bike paths. Person 2: No joke! Less traffic congestion, less pollution, and a healthier population. Wins all around. Atheist: The thing I hate about bikes is all the damned Mormon missionaries. Sheesh! Person 1: Hey, man, do you have to turn everything we talk about into some kind of God or Jesus issue? Person 2: Yeah. This one-track-mind thing of yours gets pretty fuckin' old. It's like religion has fried your capacity to carry on a rational discussion about anything else. Atheist: ...At least I don't believe in god. [Exeunt. Curtain.] == Speaking as one atheist to another, William, seriously: You need to ease off. You're simply not helping the cause any more than if you were out tracting houses with the rest of the JWs at 7 AM on Saturday. I'd like to see you go for a week's worth of posts without once mentioning religion. Think you could manage that kind of a challenge? -- Warren Ockrassa Blog | http://indigestible.nightwares.com/ Books | http://books.nightwares.com/ Web | http://www.nightwares.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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William T Goodall wrote: The arguments of the global warming deniers has so far run like this: 1) There's no such thing. 2) There is but humans have nothing to do with causing it. 3) We do cause it but getting a bit warmer is a good thing. 4) We do cause it and it's a bad thing but it's better to do nothing now. All of which are ways of saying do nothing. And are equivalent to believing (1) and lying to persuade others to go along. Religion = Lies Maru Are you equating the deniers with religious zealots, or the believers? Most of the sceptics I've seen would add a 5) The believers are preaching, and trying to force everyone to change their way of life to suit the believer's theory As soon as you say the sceptics are Lying to persuade others you cross from objective to subjective. It only takes 30 seconds on the 'net to find insurmountable evidence of AGW and insurmountable evidence of no long term warming and insurmountable evidence of warming due to non-human factors. It's all down to which data you pick to base the claim on, and which you ignore (and both sides of the AGW debate are doing both every day). Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 21/02/2008, at 8:26 PM, Russell Chapman wrote: It only takes 30 seconds on the 'net to find insurmountable evidence of AGW and insurmountable evidence of no long term warming and insurmountable evidence of warming due to non-human factors. If you were to believe the Google results, there's still a debate over whether evolution happens too. It's all down to which data you pick to base the claim on, and which you ignore (and both sides of the AGW debate are doing both every day). There's only one side... well, one that's actually true. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Charlie Bell wrote: It's all down to which data you pick to base the claim on, and which you ignore (and both sides of the AGW debate are doing both every day). There's only one side... well, one that's actually true. This is not really accurate, is it? Depending on how we _define_ Global Warming, we may come up with two definitions of GW, and one might be true and the other false. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 21 Feb 2008, at 09:26, Russell Chapman wrote: William T Goodall wrote: The arguments of the global warming deniers has so far run like this: 1) There's no such thing. 2) There is but humans have nothing to do with causing it. 3) We do cause it but getting a bit warmer is a good thing. 4) We do cause it and it's a bad thing but it's better to do nothing now. All of which are ways of saying do nothing. And are equivalent to believing (1) and lying to persuade others to go along. Religion = Lies Maru Are you equating the deniers with religious zealots, or the believers? Most of the sceptics I've seen would add a 5) The believers are preaching, and trying to force everyone to change their way of life to suit the believer's theory The deniers are practising religious thinking. They start from the desired conclusion and cherry pick and misrepresent evidence to support that desired conclusion. Just like creationists and other religious asshats. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Per capita cost/value of infrastructure?
Charlie Bell wrote: On 21/02/2008, at 8:26 PM, Russell Chapman wrote: It's all down to which data you pick to base the claim on, and which you ignore (and both sides of the AGW debate are doing both every day). There's only one side... well, one that's actually true. But any time there is an argument there are two sides. One may be hopelessly naive/blind/misled whatever, but there are still two sides, and with AGW, BOTH sides are cherry picking data. It doesn't matter what's true - if the main advisers to our PM are telling us that sea levels will rise by 100m this century - that's a metre per year!, and a report is released today that says it's basically too late for Australia, then they are being just as stupid as the ones who think we can go on pumping noxious gases into our atmosphere (and burning fossil fuels) at the rate we are without destroying the Earth as we know it. I still maintain that there are two camps for want of a better word, who are ignoring actual data, and spouting specific examples, in order to advance their own agenda. There are two sides in this argument, and neither of them are using the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Want to buy my waterfront property? Maru Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Per capita cost/value of infrastructure?
There's an email circulating on the net regarding $250 billion to rebuild New Orleans, which one of Louisiana's senators apparently is asking for (I didn't check that fact). The email suggests that this is an obvious waste of taxpayer money, since it comes to about a half million dollar per resident. Aside from questions about this particular number (was that for the current or pre-Katrina population, for example)... I haven't been able to find any particularly good figures on the actual per capita value of public infrastructure or the cost of replacing it. Anybody have any idea where such figures might be found? Of course, one could argue that if the market sees efficiency in rebuilding New Orleans, government can just get out of the way and it'll happen. ;-) Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Per capita cost/value of infrastructure?
On 20 Feb 2008, at 23:07, Nick Arnett wrote: There's an email circulating on the net regarding $250 billion to rebuild New Orleans, which one of Louisiana's senators apparently is asking for (I didn't check that fact). The email suggests that this is an obvious waste of taxpayer money, since it comes to about a half million dollar per resident. Aside from questions about this particular number (was that for the current or pre-Katrina population, for example)... I haven't been able to find any particularly good figures on the actual per capita value of public infrastructure or the cost of replacing it. Anybody have any idea where such figures might be found? Of course, one could argue that if the market sees efficiency in rebuilding New Orleans, government can just get out of the way and it'll happen. ;-) It raises questions about the pragmatism of the argument that the cheapest way of dealing with global warming is to fix things as they happen rather than try and prevent them. The arguments of the global warming deniers has so far run like this: 1) There's no such thing. 2) There is but humans have nothing to do with causing it. 3) We do cause it but getting a bit warmer is a good thing. 4) We do cause it and it's a bad thing but it's better to do nothing now. All of which are ways of saying do nothing. And are equivalent to believing (1) and lying to persuade others to go along. Religion = Lies Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Every Sunday Christians congregate to drink blood in honour of their zombie master. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Per capita cost/value of infrastructure?
On Feb 20, 2008, at 4:07 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: There's an email circulating on the net regarding $250 billion to rebuild New Orleans, which one of Louisiana's senators apparently is asking for (I didn't check that fact). Cites might be helpful to see if (1) there is in fact such a senator; and (2) s/he is in fact asking for this money now (as opposed to having done so in, say, 2006). The email suggests that this is an obvious waste of taxpayer money, since it comes to about a half million dollar per resident. Aside from questions about this particular number (was that for the current or pre-Katrina population, for example)... Half a million dollars per resident would assume 50,000 residents, for what that's worth. As for wastes of taxpayer money, one wonders what the response is to Iraq. I haven't been able to find any particularly good figures on the actual per capita value of public infrastructure or the cost of replacing it. Well, some of that would depend on the level of infrastructure -- that is, interstates would involve a different tax base and quantity than, say, a local hospital or shelter; or a county facility or state highway system that happens to pass through the city. Of course, one could argue that if the market sees efficiency in rebuilding New Orleans, government can just get out of the way and it'll happen. ;-) It hasn't so far. My personal objection to rebuilding New Orleans is that it's going to get hit again. It's below sea level. Eventually it will be inundated, and no amount of money poured into it today -- or next year, or in 2015 -- will change that fact. It might make more sense to simply decide which buildings we absolutely must keep due to their historical importance, move them to high solid ground, help the remaining citizens relocate and get established in new locations, and let the sea in. -- Warren Ockrassa Blog | http://indigestible.nightwares.com/ Books | http://books.nightwares.com/ Web | http://www.nightwares.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
