Re: Food Wars
At 08:23 PM Wednesday 4/23/2008, jon louis mann wrote: Doesn't take much disruption in the supply chain to cause havoc. Petrol in Melbourne is now $1.51 a litre (USD1.43 a litre, or about $5.70 a gallon). Charlie. here in the usa, people will manage; poverty in america is wealth in africa. it will be good for americans to learn to be thrifty. they did it during the depression, and can do it again. we have always had cheap gas, so it is time for us to tighten our belts and lose some of that fat... jon Of course, there have been many, particularly in SF but others also, who not long ago talked about their vision of the future of the real world where technology made everybody rich (or at least the equivalent of middle-class or better by then contemporary US standards) . . . . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Food Wars
If you go to the Powell's website, you'll find a blurb for a book which described in detail how the author's family lived on potatoes and bland, processed (or packaged) products scavenged... during one spell of poverty. Enjoy them, mashed, fried, and mixed with onions. http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:32:14 -0500 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Food Wars At 08:23 PM Wednesday 4/23/2008, jon louis mann wrote: Doesn't take much disruption in the supply chain to cause havoc. Petrol in Melbourne is now $1.51 a litre (USD1.43 a litre, or about $5.70 a gallon). Charlie. here in the usa, people will manage; poverty in america is wealth in africa. it will be good for americans to learn to be thrifty. they did it during the depression, and can do it again. we have always had cheap gas, so it is time for us to tighten our belts and lose some of that fat... jon Of course, there have been many, particularly in SF but others also, who not long ago talked about their vision of the future of the real world where technology made everybody rich (or at least the equivalent of middle-class or better by then contemporary US standards) . . . . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Food Wars
Charlie Bell wrote: Petrol in Melbourne is now $1.51 a litre (USD1.43 a litre, or about $5.70 a gallon). Petrol (gasoline) in Rio de Janeiro is now (and for many months) about R$ 2.70 a litre (about USD 1.625 a litre), of which 25% is ethanol and 50% are taxes. And food prices are rising obscenely, despite the fact that we are net exporters of food. It's a bless that 1st world countries put so many barriers to brazilian food, otherwise much more would be exported, and I would have to pay more for less food. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Food Wars
On 22/04/2008, at 7:01 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote: - Original Message - From: jon louis mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Food Wars Independent journalist and broadcaster Gwynne Dyer premiered a new idea in front of a two-thirds capacity crowd at the Humanities Theatre Wednesday. The talk, titled Climate Wars, predicted that the wars of the future would not be fought over oil or to punish rogue states, but that they would be fought over food. I can't see wars being fought over food. The problem will be cheap energy. With enough cheap energy you should be able to grow all the food you want hydroponically with desalinated or recycled water pumped to where ever you wish. There are already riots and a fair-bit of discontent over increasing food prices. The drought here in Australia has reduced the world-wide supply of rice, doubling prices in the last three month. There will be wars being fought over food and water... snip ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Food Wars
At 01:37 PM Wednesday 4/23/2008, jon louis mann wrote: i live in satan monica, california, Paging Dr. Freud . . . . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Food Wars
On 24/04/2008, at 4:37 AM, jon louis mann wrote: sendai, i think the last part of your response was truncated? i believe people in western countries will suffer far less from food riots because food plentiful; Doesn't take much disruption in the supply chain to cause havoc. compared to undeveloped countries where people are literally starving to death. i live in satan monica, california, where many homeless are obese. sure prices are higher, but people still drive their BMWs and complain about the price of gas. Petrol in Melbourne is now $1.51 a litre (USD1.43 a litre, or about $5.70 a gallon). Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Food Wars
- Original Message - From: jon louis mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Food Wars Independent journalist and broadcaster Gwynne Dyer premiered a new idea in front of a two-thirds capacity crowd at the Humanities Theatre Wednesday. The talk, titled Climate Wars, predicted that the wars of the future would not be fought over oil or to punish rogue states, but that they would be fought over food. I can't see wars being fought over food. The problem will be cheap energy. With enough cheap energy you should be able to grow all the food you want hydroponically with desalinated or recycled water pumped to where ever you wish. But to be honest, I think the next war will be religion vs technology. When it becomes possible to extend the human life indefinitely, and build super intelligent computers, and create new lifeforms. It will be the people who think it is wrong to play god who go to war against the people who want to play god. Regards, Wayne. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
