Re: Nomenclature (was) Chemicals R Us
On Nov 19, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Dan M wrote: Behalf Of Nick Arnett "Organic gardening" bugs me. Sounds like the opposite would be "inorganic gardening." Like organic food...as though non-organic tomatoes were carbon free. I like to think of it as Amish gardening...getting back to the 19th century. Unfortunately, there is a lot of that going around. The "unfortunately" in your comment reminded me of this: http://www.garden-soil.com/garden-soil-organic-1.html Especially: Most experienced plantsmen and soil specialists today occupy a middle ground, using organic and chemical materials as seems best suited to the needs of a particular soil, plant, or circumstance. "Unfortunately", too many people are absolutists, as the article notes: But those who are at the extremes - violently pro-organic or anti-organic - press their arguments so vehemently as to almost drown out the moderates. The answer, as in so many things in life is, "it depends". Dave ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
RE: Nomenclature (was) Chemicals R Us
From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of Nick Arnett Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:26 AM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: Nomenclature (was) Chemicals R Us >"Organic gardening" bugs me. Sounds like the opposite would be "inorganic gardening." Like organic food...as though non-organic tomatoes were carbon free. I like to think of it as Amish gardening...getting back to the 19th century. Unfortunately, there is a lot of that going around. Dan M. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Nomenclature (was) Chemicals R Us
On Nov 19, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Alberto Monteiro > wrote: I think that a more accurate definition is that Organic chemistry is the chemistry of carbon compounds where carbon has a covalent bond with hydrogen, or to a replacement of hydrogen. "Organic gardening" bugs me. Sounds like the opposite would be "inorganic gardening." What, you mean using Nitrogen fertilizer? Dave ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Nomenclature (was) Chemicals R Us
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > I think that a more accurate definition is that Organic chemistry > is the chemistry of carbon compounds where carbon has a covalent > bond with hydrogen, or to a replacement of hydrogen. "Organic gardening" bugs me. Sounds like the opposite would be "inorganic gardening." Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Nomenclature (was) Chemicals R Us
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > > I agree with you. "Organic chemistry is the chemistry of carbon > compounds." Though usually with the omission of most metal > carbonates, the chemistry of which is usually covered in the section > on inorganic chemistry. That's how *I* teach it in colleges, > anyway. ;) > I think that a more accurate definition is that Organic chemistry is the chemistry of carbon compounds where carbon has a covalent bond with hydrogen, or to a replacement of hydrogen. This would include, frex, tetrachloromethane, but not carbon disulfide. Alberto 'definitions are evil, why they must be eradicated' Monteiro ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Nomenclature (was) Chemicals R Us
On Nov 18, 2009, at 8:09 PM, Rceeberger wrote: On 11/18/2009 7:00:59 PM, Ronn! Blankenship (ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net ) wrote: At 11:58 AM Wednesday 11/18/2009, Deborah Harrell wrote: I'll bet there's a difference of wording -- 'organic chemistry' here primarily refers to petrochemicals; 'biochemistry' refers to life-related chemicals. This is an incorrect terminology in my opinion, but I can't change what is taught in colleges... Debbi Words, Words - What Is Brain?! Maru :) I agree with you. "Organic chemistry is the chemistry of carbon compounds." Though usually with the omission of most metal carbonates, the chemistry of which is usually covered in the section on inorganic chemistry. That's how *I* teach it in colleges, anyway. ;) Just Don't Ask An Astrophysicist To Define "Metals" 'Cuz He'll Include Carbon As One Maru Well why not? Calcium is a metal too isnt it? xponent Common Sense Is Worth Little Without Knowledge Maru rob So is silicon .. well, sort of, anyway .. "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -- attributed to Lazarus Long by Robert A. Heinlein ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Nomenclature (was) Chemicals R Us
On 11/18/2009 7:00:59 PM, Ronn! Blankenship (ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net) wrote: > At 11:58 AM Wednesday 11/18/2009, Deborah Harrell wrote: > > >I'll bet there's a difference of wording -- 'organic chemistry' here > >primarily refers to petrochemicals; 'biochemistry' refers to > >life-related chemicals. This is an incorrect terminology in my > >opinion, but I > can't change what is taught in colleges... > > > >Debbi > >Words, Words - What Is Brain?! Maru :) > > > > I agree with you. "Organic chemistry is the chemistry of carbon > compounds." Though usually with the omission of most metal > carbonates, the chemistry of which is usually covered in the section > on inorganic chemistry. That's > how *I* teach it in colleges, anyway. ;) > > > Just Don't Ask An Astrophysicist To Define "Metals" 'Cuz He'll > Include Carbon As One Maru > Well why not? Calcium is a metal too isnt it? xponent Common Sense Is Worth Little Without Knowledge Maru rob ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Nomenclature (was) Chemicals R Us
At 11:58 AM Wednesday 11/18/2009, Deborah Harrell wrote: I'll bet there's a difference of wording -- 'organic chemistry' here primarily refers to petrochemicals; 'biochemistry' refers to life-related chemicals. This is an incorrect terminology in my opinion, but I can't change what is taught in colleges... Debbi Words, Words - What Is Brain?! Maru :) I agree with you. "Organic chemistry is the chemistry of carbon compounds." Though usually with the omission of most metal carbonates, the chemistry of which is usually covered in the section on inorganic chemistry. That's how *I* teach it in colleges, anyway. ;) Just Don't Ask An Astrophysicist To Define "Metals" 'Cuz He'll Include Carbon As One Maru . . . ronn! :) ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
