Racial and religious bigotry

2008-10-21 Thread Jon Louis Mann
  There is a lot of hysteria against Muslims in this
 country, even  
  before 9/11, so that now it even exceeds racism
 against Blacks.   
  Obama will be vilified by many because he is half
 black and has  an  
  Arab middle name.
 Jon

 All the more reason, IMHO, to grab that bull
 by the horns and face it  head on, 
 rather than enabling the hysteria even more.
 Demons live in the dark, and the best way to 
 get rid of them is to  
 shine the light on them ...

I agree, but only because the economic collapse has actually made it likely 
that he will be elected.  I still would have preferred that Obama picked a 
qualified Hispanic woman for his VP.
Jon




  
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Re: Racial and religious bigotry

2008-10-21 Thread Bruce Bostwick
I might, or might not.  Choosing someone for a public office based on  
their gender/religion/ethnicity first and their qualifications second  
is as offensive to me in the case of choosing a qualified Hispanic  
woman as it is a qualified white man.  (I'm willing to make an  
exception in the case of challenging a previously unchallenged  
stereotype and not enabling a historical hysteria about it, but this  
in particular doesn't seem to qualify.)

On Oct 21, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote:

 I agree, but only because the economic collapse has actually made it  
 likely that he will be elected.  I still would have preferred that  
 Obama picked a qualified Hispanic woman for his VP.
 Jon

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Re: Racial and religious bigotry

2008-10-21 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Jon Louis Mann wrote:

 I agree, but only because the economic collapse has actually made it likely
 that he will be elected.  I still would have preferred that Obama picked a
 qualified Hispanic woman for his VP. Jon

Like, say, J-Lo?

Alberto Monteiro

PS: fwiw, here's the uncyclopedia page about the (most likely)
furure mayor of Rio de Janeiro (election this Sunday). Some facts are true.

http://desciclo.pedia.ws/wiki/Fernando_Gabeira
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Re: Racial and religious bigotry

2008-10-21 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 04:03 PM Tuesday 10/21/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
I might, or might not.  Choosing someone for a public office


— or any job —


based on
their gender/religion*/ethnicity first and their qualifications second
is as offensive to me in the case of choosing a qualified Hispanic
woman as it is a qualified white man.


Agreed.


*With of course such obvious exceptions as paid clergy.


. . . ronn!  :)



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Re: Racial and religious bigotry

2008-10-21 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Oct 21, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

 At 04:03 PM Tuesday 10/21/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
 I might, or might not.  Choosing someone for a public office


 — or any job —


 based on
 their gender/religion*/ethnicity first and their qualifications  
 second
 is as offensive to me in the case of choosing a qualified Hispanic
 woman as it is a qualified white man.


 Agreed.

 
 *With of course such obvious exceptions as paid clergy.

Which isn't really an exception, since in that case, religious  
affiliation is in fact a qualification for the job.  :)
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Re: Racial and religious bigotry

2008-10-21 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:53 PM Tuesday 10/21/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
On Oct 21, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

  At 04:03 PM Tuesday 10/21/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
  I might, or might not.  Choosing someone for a public office
 
 
  — or any job —
 
 
  based on
  their gender/religion*/ethnicity first and their qualifications
  second
  is as offensive to me in the case of choosing a qualified Hispanic
  woman as it is a qualified white man.
 
 
  Agreed.
 
  
  *With of course such obvious exceptions as paid clergy.

Which isn't really an exception, since in that case, religious
affiliation is in fact a qualification for the job.  :)


Obviously . . . ;)


. . . ronn!  :)



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Re: Racial and religious bigotry

2008-10-21 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 21, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Bruce Bostwick wrote:

 On Oct 21, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

 At 04:03 PM Tuesday 10/21/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
 I might, or might not.  Choosing someone for a public office

 — or any job —

 based on their gender/religion*/ethnicity first and their
 qualifications second is as offensive to me in the case of
 choosing a qualified Hispanic woman as it is a qualified
 white man.

Quite so, except where gender, religion, or ethnicity are part of the
qualifications. It may be more effective for a rape counsellor to be
female, a boys' PE teacher to be male, and so forth (including the
obvious example of clergy, as noted).

My dear wife gets practically livid when she is asked to join a group
(at work, when she was in an office, or at church now) because she is
either female or of Japanese ancestry. It is is a sure way to get her
dander up. The existence of organizations like the Hewlett-Packard
Black Women Engineers (or the like, if that exact group does not exist,
and it probably does, under the rubric of diversity), is part of the
problem, not a solution to it, says she, and I agree.

Dave

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