Re: Variation by Country?

2010-07-12 Thread Nick Arnett
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Dan Minette danmine...@att.net wrote:


 Probably because the words or abandoned disappeared somewhere between my
 brain and my fingers. Point being, single parents aren't always because
 they had a one-night stand or divorced, sometimes it's because one parent
 disappears from the picture.

 I agree that single parents raising children by themselves are usually due
 to the other parent shirking their responsibilities.


Grandparents raising kids happens for the same kind of reasons also.  We
find ourselves in that position every weekend these days.

Nick
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Variation by Country?

2010-07-11 Thread Dan Minette
Charlie wrote:

(and people seem too forget that single parents are just as often bereaved
as unmarried, so there's no choice for a lot of them), but it's a lot
harder to do well on one's own.

That didn't sound right.  So, I looked at

http://singleparents.about.com/od/legalissues/p/portrait.htm

Which said that less than 2% of custodial single parents were widows or
widowers.  Obviously, if you include folks like my mom who became a single
parent when I was 53, there'd be a lot more, but I think we're all talking
about parents raising children, not those with adult children on their own.

I don't think this number is unique to the US, but I'll admit I know less
about other countries than the US.  I agree with Charlie's main thrust, but
I think the overwhelming majority of children being raised by only one
parent are in a situation where both parents are still alive.


Dan M. 


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Re: Variation by Country?

2010-07-11 Thread Charlie Bell

On 12/07/2010, at 5:31 AM, Dan Minette wrote:

 Charlie wrote:
 
 (and people seem too forget that single parents are just as often bereaved
 as unmarried, so there's no choice for a lot of them), but it's a lot
 harder to do well on one's own.
 
 That didn't sound right.

Probably because the words or abandoned disappeared somewhere between my 
brain and my fingers. Point being, single parents aren't always because they 
had a one-night stand or divorced, sometimes it's because one parent disappears 
from the picture. 

Le Tour plus World Cup starting to take its toll.

C.
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RE: Variation by Country?

2010-07-11 Thread Dan Minette

Probably because the words or abandoned disappeared somewhere between my
brain and my fingers. Point being, single parents aren't always because
they had a one-night stand or divorced, sometimes it's because one parent
disappears from the picture.

I agree that single parents raising children by themselves are usually due
to the other parent shirking their responsibilities.  I've seen couples that
have divorced because the conflicts were beyond repair still working hard to
raise their children in a cooperate manner, putting their children's
interests ahead of their own agendas.  Parenting together when you don't
live together is a lot more work than it was for Teri and me. She's still
putting up with me years after all the kids left to sally forth on their
own. :-)  But, I think it's better for kids know to both parents still love
them unconditionally, even when the parents are split.  

I have a hunch we aren't arguing here; just exploring different aspects of
the same thing.

Dan M. 
 


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Re: Variation by Country?

2010-07-11 Thread Charlie Bell

On 12/07/2010, at 7:02 AM, Dan Minette wrote:

 
 Probably because the words or abandoned disappeared somewhere between my
 brain and my fingers. Point being, single parents aren't always because
 they had a one-night stand or divorced, sometimes it's because one parent
 disappears from the picture.
 
 I agree that single parents raising children by themselves are usually due
 to the other parent shirking their responsibilities.  I've seen couples that
 have divorced because the conflicts were beyond repair still working hard to
 raise their children in a cooperate manner, putting their children's
 interests ahead of their own agendas.  Parenting together when you don't
 live together is a lot more work than it was for Teri and me. She's still
 putting up with me years after all the kids left to sally forth on their
 own. :-)  But, I think it's better for kids know to both parents still love
 them unconditionally, even when the parents are split.  
 
 I have a hunch we aren't arguing here; just exploring different aspects of
 the same thing.

Now I'm awake again - no, not arguing. I think what I was getting at above was 
that there's often this undercurrent in a lot of commentary that single 
parents are at fault somewhat for being single parents and are morally 
suspect in some way, and I was just pointing out that plenty of people who wind 
up having to raise kids by themselves are there through no fault of their own. 
Being widowed is one, having a male skip the picture the second you're pregnant 
is another, and simply bad luck is a third. 

I have a friend who is approaching the upper end of her safe biological window 
for being pregnant, and is currently going through IVF through a donor because 
she desperately wants a child and she has been let down by guy after guy. I 
have no doubt she'll do everything in her power to be as good a parent she can 
be (plus she has a very supportive group of friends and family). 

As I think we're mostly in agreement about, the variability between ability and 
commitment of any particular type of parental solo or partnership is greater 
than the differences between those types, and the most important thing is for a 
child to know support and love.

C.
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