Heh,
I'm definitely _not_ going to get in a text editor religious war with
you along the lines of emacs is evil; why it should be eradicated,
however true that may be. :-).
Personally, when I don't use vim, I use BBEdit, and have done for more
than a decade. Over my 20-odd years as a Mac user,
On 24 Apr 2008, at 19:08, Dave Land wrote:
If only because nobody makes money from vi, it hasn't been fscked-
around with over the years. If you learned to use vi on a VT-52
hooked up to a PDP-11, as I did, then today's Mac OS X copy of Vim
(VI iMproved) is as familiar as you'd want it to be.
A. Brown
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 10:31 PM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)
David Hobby wrote:
But that is the configuration. One computer, one printer, and an
old-style cable between them. (It's unfortunate that it wouldn't
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it is probably OK for me to say that
the best/most cost-effective PDF output I've obtained comes free via
the Preview button on every Mac OS X print dialog, and works in
every application, not just Office.
I use PDFCreator,
On Apr 24, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 24 Apr 2008 at 11:37, Max Battcher wrote:
* The PDF Exporter (Save As PDF) for Office 2007 is a free download:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=4D951911-3E7E-4AE6-B059-A2E79ED87041displaylang=en
(Adobe blocked it
On 4/24/08, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that
their
perfectly good old product is obsolete?
Digital TV, frex?
Isn't digital TV an entirely new product? Or are you suggesting
everyone has cable
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
...
When I've tried this kind of thing in MS-Word, it was
quite frustrating. Every installation seemed to (not)
have different symbols, and often what looked fine on
the screen would print with lots of empty squares.
I'm sure there's a way to get MS-Word to behave
At 02:49 AM Friday 4/25/2008, Martin Lewis wrote:
On 4/24/08, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince
people that their
perfectly good old product is obsolete?
Digital TV, frex?
Isn't digital TV an entirely new
On 24 Apr 2008 at 20:55, Max Battcher wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate Open Source and use a number of
applications that I like better in spite of their commercial equivalents
(Firefox, Lightningbird (Thunderbird + Lightning plugin), Vim, Inkscape,
...), but OO.org, to me, seems the
Dave Land said the following on 4/25/2008 2:15 AM:
Well, as long as the answer to Nick's frustrations with Office 2007
is to suggest an entirely different office package (Open Office, which
I was forced by Sun Microsystems to use, and found it to be a turd,
but that was about 5 years ago), it
David Hobby said the following on 4/25/2008 7:12 AM:
Yes. So hunting up the right fonts and installing them
everywhere would have solved it. I don't really understand
why a word processor would ever have different screen and
display fonts, though. I mean I can see how it would happen,
but
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it is probably OK for me to say that
the best/most cost-effective PDF output I've obtained comes free via
the Preview button on every Mac OS X print dialog, and works in
every application, not just Office.
I'll second that,
At 09:23 AM Friday 4/25/2008, Lance A. Brown wrote:
David Hobby said the following on 4/25/2008 7:12 AM:
Yes. So hunting up the right fonts and installing them
everywhere would have solved it. I don't really understand
why a word processor would ever have different screen and
display
Lance A. Brown wrote:
David Hobby said the following on 4/25/2008 7:12 AM:
Yes. So hunting up the right fonts and installing them
everywhere would have solved it. I don't really understand
why a word processor would ever have different screen and
display fonts, though. I mean I can see how
David Hobby wrote:
Hi. I don't see that. I think the printer is capable
of printing whatever pattern of dots it's told to, and
these are supposed to be True Type fonts.
You would be amazed. It depends entirely how the job is processed,
especially if the printer is not attached directly
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008, Lance A. Brown wrote:
You would be amazed. It depends entirely how the job is processed,
especially if the printer is not attached directly to the computer you
are using.
Best chance for a good outcome is using a printer attached directly to
your computer, with the
Lance A. Brown wrote:
David Hobby wrote:
Hi. I don't see that. I think the printer is capable
of printing whatever pattern of dots it's told to, and
these are supposed to be True Type fonts.
You would be amazed. It depends entirely how the job is processed,
especially if the printer
On 26/04/2008, at 5:17 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:
OK, so a good reason to keep every box in the house under the same
OS, and
specifically, this computer (which is acting as a print server) and
the
one in the guest room (which does not have a printer attached
directly to
it)
That
Julia Thompson wrote:
OK, so a good reason to keep every box in the house under the same OS, and
specifically, this computer (which is acting as a print server) and the
one in the guest room (which does not have a printer attached directly to
it)
It does tend to make things easier to
David Hobby wrote:
But that is the configuration. One computer, one printer, and an
old-style cable between them. (It's unfortunate that it wouldn't
work well over a network, but I've had problems too. Another
story...)
That sucks. I'd make sure you have the correct driver installed for
So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of what
I used to do because I can't find anything. They seem to have succeeded in
making it harder to use.
The most bizarre thing is that I cannot find the Help menu anywhere. My
wife, who was forced into this particular torture
At 10:05 AM Thursday 4/24/2008, Nick Arnett wrote:
What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that their
perfectly good old product is obsolete?
Digital TV, frex?
. . . ronn! :)
___
At 10:05 AM Thursday 4/24/2008, Nick Arnett wrote:
So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of what
I used to do because I can't find anything. They seem to have succeeded in
making it harder to use.
The most bizarre thing is that I cannot find the Help menu anywhere.
On 4/24/08, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10:05 AM Thursday 4/24/2008, Nick Arnett wrote:
What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that their
perfectly good old product is obsolete?
Digital TV, frex?
The one that really gets me is razor blades.
Does
On 4/24/08, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that their
perfectly good old product is obsolete?
Digital TV, frex?
Isn't digital TV an entirely new product? Or are you suggesting
everyone has cable already so it is
Nick Arnett wrote:
So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of what
I used to do because I can't find anything. They seem to have succeeded in
making it harder to use.
The most bizarre thing is that I cannot find the Help menu anywhere. My
wife, who was forced into
On Apr 24, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 10:05 AM Thursday 4/24/2008, Nick Arnett wrote:
The whole point of using drop-down menus in a GUI is to be table to
slide the cursor across them and immediately see what's available.
Somebody in Redmond apparently thought they were
What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that
their
perfectly good old product is obsolete?
The one that really gets me is razor blades.
Does anyone really need 5 blades vibrated by a small motor to shave?
Is the new Gillette FusionPower Phenom with 5 blades and onboard
It _is_ an improvement, if you give it a chance. Where over the years
the Menus became nearly non-sensical containers of cruft (what was the
difference between the old Edit menu and Tools or Insert?
schnipp
I'm a software engineer, and I hate the new ribbon interface -- yet it's
pervasive:
Curtis Burisch wrote:
This kinda backfired, where I'm from. Sensor II razor was so popular they
were forced to continue selling the blades ever after. I'm on a 15 year old
razor, buying a blade every 2 months. The modern innovations do not impress.
I give gilette like around a dollar a month,
to
shit on Gilette for that.
c
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance A. Brown
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:28 PM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)
Curtis Burisch wrote
Curtis Burisch wrote:
It _is_ an improvement, if you give it a chance. Where over the years
the Menus became nearly non-sensical containers of cruft (what was the
difference between the old Edit menu and Tools or Insert?
schnipp
I'm a software engineer, and I hate the new ribbon
On 24 Apr 2008, at 19:31, Curtis Burisch wrote:
Yah well I'm as I said an IT pro, so the beardy look doesn't quite
cut it.
Much as I'd love to live on pemmican in the appalacians for the rest
of my
life, things just aren't that simple. So go figure. Clean shaven
gets me a
nearly
they thinking? (MS Office 2007)
On 24 Apr 2008, at 19:31, Curtis Burisch wrote:
Yah well I'm as I said an IT pro, so the beardy look doesn't quite
cut it.
Much as I'd love to live on pemmican in the appalacians for the rest
of my
life, things just aren't that simple. So go figure. Clean shaven
- Original Message -
From: Curtis Burisch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion' brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:24 AM
Subject: RE: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)
Gillete's dictum : give away the razors, charge the hell out of 'em
At 01:08 PM Thursday 4/24/2008, Dave Land wrote:
On Apr 24, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 10:05 AM Thursday 4/24/2008, Nick Arnett wrote:
Vi is easier than this.
;)
If only because nobody makes money from vi, it hasn't been fscked-
around with over the years. If you
At 01:24 PM Thursday 4/24/2008, Curtis Burisch wrote:
Gillete's dictum : give away the razors, charge the hell out of 'em for the
blades.
Copied by Lexmark (among others).
. . . ronn! :)
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On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
On 4/24/08, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10:05 AM Thursday 4/24/2008, Nick Arnett wrote:
What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that their
perfectly good old product is obsolete?
Digital TV, frex?
The
At 10:33 AM Thursday 4/24/2008, you wrote:
On 4/24/08, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that their
perfectly good old product is obsolete?
Digital TV, frex?
Isn't digital TV an entirely new product? Or are you
On Apr 24, 2008, at 11:24 AM, Curtis Burisch wrote:
What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people
that
their
perfectly good old product is obsolete?
The one that really gets me is razor blades.
Does anyone really need 5 blades vibrated by a small motor to shave?
Is the
At 10:33 AM Thursday 4/24/2008, you wrote:
On 4/24/08, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that their
perfectly good old product is obsolete?
Digital TV, frex?
Isn't digital TV an entirely new product? Or are you
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 24, 2008, at 11:24 AM, Curtis Burisch wrote:
What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people
that
their
perfectly good old product is obsolete?
The one that really gets me is razor blades.
Nick Arnett wrote:
So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of
what I used to do because I can't find anything. They seem to have
succeeded in making it harder to use.
And you don't even have to handle the mistranslations of the commands.
The idiots that translated
At 03:18 PM Thursday 4/24/2008, Dave Land wrote:
On Apr 24, 2008, at 11:24 AM, Curtis Burisch wrote:
What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people
that
their
perfectly good old product is obsolete?
The one that really gets me is razor blades.
Does anyone really
So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of
what
I used to do because I can't find anything. They seem to have succeeded
in
making it harder to use.
I can't find it now, but IIRC Penny Arcade's Tycho wrote saying that he
found the new Office interface so beautiful he
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Ronn! Blankenship
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nope. I'm talking about people like Nick's little old lady, whom
(I'm guessing) does not have cable (If not her specifically, there
are millions like her who don't.) and who has to sometime in the next
9.5 months
On 24 Apr 2008 at 8:05, Nick Arnett wrote:
So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of what
I'd suggest upgrading further to Open Office, it's less of a change
in UI from Office 2003 and costs less.
AndrewC
___
On 24 Apr 2008 at 11:37, Max Battcher wrote:
* The PDF Exporter (Save As PDF) for Office 2007 is a free download:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=4D951911-3E7E-4AE6-B059-A2E79ED87041displaylang=en
(Adobe blocked it from the out of box install, which to me is a
Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 24 Apr 2008 at 8:05, Nick Arnett wrote:
So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of what
I'd suggest upgrading further to Open Office, it's less of a change
in UI from Office 2003 and costs less.
...and does half as much.
On 24 Apr 2008 at 20:18, Max Battcher wrote:
Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 24 Apr 2008 at 8:05, Nick Arnett wrote:
So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of
what
I'd suggest upgrading further to Open Office, it's less of a change
in UI from Office 2003
Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 24 Apr 2008 at 20:18, Max Battcher wrote:
Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 24 Apr 2008 at 8:05, Nick Arnett wrote:
So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of
what
I'd suggest upgrading further to Open Office, it's less of a change
in UI
Max Battcher wrote:
...
YMMV, but for me there I get a huge dissonance from OO.org and many of
the things that I rely on in Office simply cannot be found. Not to
start a flame war, but I could probably name a bunch of little pet
...
Max--
It may well be a matter of what features one is
At 09:14 PM Thursday 4/24/2008, David Hobby wrote:
Max Battcher wrote:
...
YMMV, but for me there I get a huge dissonance from OO.org and many of
the things that I rely on in Office simply cannot be found. Not to
start a flame war, but I could probably name a bunch of little pet
...
Max--
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