Re: Young Earth Math?
On 18/01/2008, at 1:32 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Jan 17, 2008, at 7:27 PM, William T Goodall wrote: So a lot of fundies are using the nails of faith to keep the closet door shut? Could be they're either (1) looking for ways to strengthen themselves against their sinful urges; or (2) miserable teens trying to self- loathe into heterosexuality; or (3) perverted youth pastors trying to figure out what percentage of their summer-camp flock might be amenable to a little late-night hike down by the riverside, if you know what I mean. 4) Piss-takers making amusing edits. Charlie Who May Have Occasionally Played That Game Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18/01/2008, at 9:03 AM, David Hobby wrote: An interesting find! That's the first I've heard of the Conservapedia. It's sometimes hard to tell, but my sense is that it's not actually meant as humor? Some of it is humour, because there are a lot of people out there who want to make it even more ridiculous than it is. However, it's a internet truism that it's impossible to tell true crankery apart from fine parody (which is why Landover Baptist and The Onion score so many), and unfortunately it's been shown that Conservapedia is actually meant to be a serious alternative to Wikipedia, with a conservative bias. In other words, if the truth is inconvenient, ignore it and write your own. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Charlie Bell wrote: On 18/01/2008, at 9:03 AM, David Hobby wrote: An interesting find! That's the first I've heard of the Conservapedia. It's sometimes hard to tell, but my sense is that it's not actually meant as humor? ... Conservapedia is actually meant to be a serious alternative to Wikipedia, with a conservative bias. In other words, if the truth is inconvenient, ignore it and write your own. Charlie-- It seems to aspire to being a complete source for everything. I clicked some of the math links, and went to parts of Conservapedia with short (correct) articles. For all I know, they produced them by cribbing from Wikipedia. It would be a great temptation to copy over virtually unchanged all the material that didn't need to have a conservative slant added to it. It does seem to be a matter of slant. Most of the facts are there someplace, the question is what is given prominence. One might compare: http://www.conservapedia.com/Armenia Where the second sentence is: It has been an enclave of Christianity for over 1700 years and suffered one of the first great holocausts against its people in modern times. with: http://www.conservapedia.com/Chile Where the following is mentioned, BRIEFLY, at the end: ...Pinochet, took over control of the country. The first years of the regime in particular were marked by serious human rights violations. ---David ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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It was founded by Phyllis Schafly's son, Andrew as a sort of fair and balanced alternative to the liberal, anti-Christian and anti- American Wikipedia. That's the one. It is much ridiculed in the reality-based blog community. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jan 18, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Charlie Bell wrote: However, it's a internet truism that it's impossible to tell true crankery apart from fine parody (which is why Landover Baptist and The Onion score so many), and unfortunately it's been shown that Conservapedia is actually meant to be a serious alternative to Wikipedia, with a conservative bias. Yeah, but not as far as they are concerned: Conservapedia is the Wiki _without_ bias: a tonic for the liberal anti-religious bias of Wikipedia. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Young Earth Math?
I love the wikipedia - a source of information - and its parodies, the uncyclopedia and the conservapedia - sources of humor. But I didn't get this: http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Critical_Thinking_in_Math What is it? Biblically correct math? Does the course prove that Pi = 3? Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Hmmm. This looks like a random post by an inspired but misguided soul, who will never actually bring his 'experimental course' to any real students... I quote, Please feel free to add other topics and suggestions, and add your name below as a teacher or student interested in this field. This suggests that it's just a pipedream with no basis in reality. The guy's got no idea -- ignore with impunity. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:43 PM To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Young Earth Math? I love the wikipedia - a source of information - and its parodies, the uncyclopedia and the conservapedia - sources of humor. But I didn't get this: http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Critical_Thinking_in_Math What is it? Biblically correct math? Does the course prove that Pi = 3? Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Curtis Burisch wrote: Hmmm. This looks like a random post by an inspired but misguided soul, who will never actually bring his 'experimental course' to any real students... I quote, Please feel free to add other topics and suggestions, and add your name below as a teacher or student interested in this field. This suggests that it's just a pipedream with no basis in reality. The guy's got no idea -- ignore with impunity. ... But I didn't get this: http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Critical_Thinking_in_Math What is it? Biblically correct math? Does the course prove that Pi = 3? Alberto Monteiro Hi, Curtis. Welcome to the list! (Unless you're not new, and I just missed your posts. If so, my apologies.) You're right, it does look like a course in progress. The topics are a list of those that would inspire philosophical discussions, but there doesn't seem to be much unity in them otherwise. But my guess is that it's a real course, meaning that the proposer could actually teach it. The progression of topics seems sensible, starting with elementary logic and proof, and moving on to the harder topics. ---David Homeschooled students NEED to do well on standardized tests, since there aren't many other ways to tell if they've learned anything... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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David Hobby wrote: An interesting find! That's the first I've heard of the Conservapedia. It's sometimes hard to tell, but my sense is that it's not actually meant as humor? Conservapedia is 100% serious in its intent. There have been occasional articles in various places about it. --[Lance] -- Celebrate The Circle http://www.celebratethecircle.org/ Carolina Spirit Quest http://www.carolinaspiritquest.org/ My LiveJournal http://www.livejournal.com/users/labrown/ GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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David Hobby wrote: An interesting find! That's the first I've heard of the Conservapedia. It's sometimes hard to tell, but my sense is that it's not actually meant as humor? They think they are serious - which makes it even more fun. A masterpiece of (unintentional) humour is... http://www.conservapedia.com/Kangaroo#Origins ... but the older versions were better, because they didn't included the alternate evolutioary view. And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, ... and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. Of course we _can_ be fundamentalists and yet don't accept that Pi = 3 - the 'molten sea' was elliptical, and the ratio comes from C/(2a). In the good old days I even calculated its eccentricity, using cartographic formulas. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Alberto Monteiro wrote: I love the wikipedia - a source of information - and its parodies, the uncyclopedia and the conservapedia - sources of humor. But I didn't get this: http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Critical_Thinking_in_Math What is it? Biblically correct math? Does the course prove that Pi = 3? Alberto-- An interesting find! That's the first I've heard of the Conservapedia. It's sometimes hard to tell, but my sense is that it's not actually meant as humor? The course could be intended for bright homeschooled students. A good teacher could present all the topics on the syllabus at a 9th grade level, in the sense that students would learn some of it, but remain fuzzy on the rigorous details. That proof that pi is 3 would probably come under alternative proof techniques, as uncritically believing EVERY SINGLE word in the King James Bible. ---David And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, ... and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: I love the wikipedia - a source of information - and its parodies, the uncyclopedia and the conservapedia - sources of humor. But I didn't get this: http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Critical_Thinking_in_Math What is it? Biblically correct math? Does the course prove that Pi = 3? The Wikipedia article on Conservapedia seems to believe that it takes itself seriously: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservapedia It was founded by Phyllis Schafly's son, Andrew as a sort of fair and balanced alternative to the liberal, anti-Christian and anti-American Wikipedia. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Jan 2008, at 01:57, Dave Land wrote: On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: I love the wikipedia - a source of information - and its parodies, the uncyclopedia and the conservapedia - sources of humor. But I didn't get this: http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Critical_Thinking_in_Math What is it? Biblically correct math? Does the course prove that Pi = 3? The Wikipedia article on Conservapedia seems to believe that it takes itself seriously: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservapedia It was founded by Phyllis Schafly's son, Andrew as a sort of fair and balanced alternative to the liberal, anti-Christian and anti- American Wikipedia. It's the inevitable result of thinking that 'faith' is in any way a good thing. Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof. Why let mere facts or reason stand in the way of faith Maru? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: I love the wikipedia - a source of information - and its parodies, the uncyclopedia and the conservapedia - sources of humor. But I didn't get this: http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Critical_Thinking_in_Math Came across two interesting lists: the most-viewed pages on both Wikipedia and Conservapedia, which shows what each audience is thinking about pretty starkly: Wikipedia (http://hemlock.knams.wikimedia.org/%7Eleon/stats/ wikicharts/index.php?wiki=enwikins=articleslimit=100month=11% 2F2007mode=view) Numbers are views *per day* 1. Main Page [44,519,294] 2. Wiki [1,334,471] 3. Naruto [568,941] 4. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock [537,882] 5. Wikipedia [522,353] 6. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows [514,588] 7. United States [490,588] 8. Heroes (TV series) [454,941] 9. Deaths in 2007 [438,000] 10. Transformers (film) [400,941] Conservapedia (http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Statistics) Numbers appear to be *cumulative* views 1. Homosexuality [2,291,306] 2. Main Page [2,153,100] 3. Teen Homosexuality [377,426] 4. Homosexual Agenda [325,395] 5. Homosexuality and Anal Cancer [296,799] 6. Arguments Against Homosexuality [296,255] 7. Ex-homosexuals [282,848] 8. Homosexuality and Choice [277,907] 9. Wikipedia [272,304] 10. Homosexuality and Health [259,532] Dave One-Track Mind Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Jan 2008, at 02:18, Dave Land wrote: Conservapedia (http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Statistics) Numbers appear to be *cumulative* views 1. Homosexuality [2,291,306] 2. Main Page [2,153,100] 3. Teen Homosexuality [377,426] 4. Homosexual Agenda [325,395] 5. Homosexuality and Anal Cancer [296,799] 6. Arguments Against Homosexuality [296,255] 7. Ex-homosexuals [282,848] 8. Homosexuality and Choice [277,907] 9. Wikipedia [272,304] 10. Homosexuality and Health [259,532] So a lot of fundies are using the nails of faith to keep the closet door shut? Self-hating Psychology Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jan 17, 2008, at 7:27 PM, William T Goodall wrote: So a lot of fundies are using the nails of faith to keep the closet door shut? Could be they're either (1) looking for ways to strengthen themselves against their sinful urges; or (2) miserable teens trying to self- loathe into heterosexuality; or (3) perverted youth pastors trying to figure out what percentage of their summer-camp flock might be amenable to a little late-night hike down by the riverside, if you know what I mean. -- Warren Ockrassa Blog | http://indigestible.nightwares.com/ Books | http://books.nightwares.com/ Web | http://www.nightwares.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 1/17/2008 8:32:01 PM, Warren Ockrassa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Jan 17, 2008, at 7:27 PM, William T Goodall wrote: So a lot of fundies are using the nails of faith to keep the closet door shut? Could be they're either (1) looking for ways to strengthen themselves against their sinful urges; or (2) miserable teens trying to self- loathe into heterosexuality; or (3) perverted youth pastors trying to figure out what percentage of their summer-camp flock might be amenable to a little late-night hike down by the riverside, if you know what I mean. Conservapedia Conservatives Republicans Gay Sex Scandals in Congress Maybe they can get Mercury Morris to do a commercial CONSEVAPEDERAST [Cat scan movie of hot oral action (you know what I'm talking about)] This is your brain This is your brain on cock Any conservatives? [Cue background music: Queen's I Want It All] PAID FOR BY THE COMMITTE TO RE-ELECT THE PRESIDENT AND HIS BUDDIES..AGAIN. I don't know if there is any real point to this, but it makes me LMAO G. (I find abject denial to be funny, does that make me a bad person?) xponent No Drinking At The Keyboard Please Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jan 17, 2008, at 8:01 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: (I find abject denial to be funny, does that make me a bad person?) No. NO. NO, DAMMIT, NO! -- \/\/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Jan 17, 2008, at 8:01 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: (I find abject denial to be funny, does that make me a bad person?) No. NO. NO, DAMMIT, NO! *snorfle* Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
