Re: Ready for Faster Check Cashing?

2004-10-27 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been following the Check 21 initiative for about 6 months now and I think this is the beginning of the end for paper checks. I have mixed feelings on this. Even though there will always be people that will want to write a paper check, I suspect that banks will make

Re: Technical problem, or something far worse?

2004-10-27 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following up on myself -- these last two messages really came through fast! So it is not always six hours... That's good news. Ruben ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l That's because they aren't moderated

Re: Brin: Bill Clinton on Iraq

2004-10-27 Thread Martin Lewis
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:55:42 -0400, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just days after Bush's now-controversial State of the Union Address in 2003, Clinton declared: After what happened on 9/11, the will of the international community has stiffened, as represented by this last U.N.

Re: A Question about Tolerance

2004-10-27 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:03 PM 26/10/04 -0700, you wrote: Hidey-ho. New (digest) list member here. Chad Underkoffler -- pleezedtameetcha. I have a question, snip The second thing I'd like to discuss is Is tolerance a positive, negative, or neutral meme? and Can tolerance be abused, or is it

Re: Br!n: On the Saudis

2004-10-27 Thread JDG
At 09:02 PM 10/26/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:56:47 -0400, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Protecting the Saudi government from what? The fact that members of the Saudi royal family and Saudi agents ergo the Saudi government were directly involved in the planning and

Re: Brin: On the Republicans

2004-10-27 Thread JDG
At 12:01 PM 10/26/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote: Today it's California's biggest broadcaster, Pappas Telecasting, donating half a million $ in free air time to Republican campaigns. They claim the FCC (run by Colin Powell's political hack son) ruled that equal time isn't necessary because it

Re: Br!n: On the Saudis

2004-10-27 Thread JDG
At 09:25 PM 10/26/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: The world is full of possibilities Doug, but this is a long shot. Political pressure comes from leverage. Who would we get involved in a coalition to push on Saudi, and what would be the leverage. A trillion dollars worth of investments in

Re: Brin: On the monsters

2004-10-27 Thread JDG
At 07:12 PM 10/26/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote: b) Don't you deal with the bigger culprits first and in some proportion to their involvement? Sometimes you deal with the problem you *can* deal with first, if two problems are roughly similar in their seriousness. (BTW - I am not agreeing with

Re: Br!n: On the Saudis

2004-10-27 Thread JDG
At 07:17 AM 10/26/2004 -0700 Nick Arnett wrote: No poster has questioned more people's patriotism on this List than Dr. Brin, and no person has launched more overheated insults than Dr. Brin. And quite frankly, it is a bit appalling when your only response is to go after the *targets* of said

Re: Brin: On the Republicans

2004-10-27 Thread Martin Lewis
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:20:12 -0400, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today it's California's biggest broadcaster, Pappas Telecasting, donating half a million $ in free air time to Republican campaigns. They claim the FCC (run by Colin Powell's political hack son) ruled that equal time isn't

Brin: Defectors

2004-10-27 Thread JDG
Pat Buchanan: http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover.html As Barry Goldwater said in 1960, in urging conservatives to set aside their grievances and unite behind the establishment party of Eisenhower, Rockefeller, and Lodge, the Republican Party is our home. It is our only hope. If an

Re: Technical problem, or something far worse?

2004-10-27 Thread Nick Arnett
Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: [Various complaints snipped.] From the e-mail that *everyone* receives when they subscribe: Your first messages will be moderated. If you do not see your message appear on the list, give it some time, and if it still hasn't appeared in a few hours, e-mail the

Re: Brin: On the Republicans

2004-10-27 Thread Nick Arnett
JDG wrote: I must have missed your objections to Michael Moore's uncapped donation the Kerry-Edwards Campaign. Michael Moore doesn't have an FCC license -- he's not a trustee of the public airwaves. Doesn't that make all the difference? Nick ___

Albert Speaks

2004-10-27 Thread MironMurcury
Got a great quote for you from the likes of Albert Einstein...he was asked to distill the essence of physics into one sentence...without hesitation he fired back: NOTHING HAPPENS...TILL SOMETHING MOVES. A seemingly simple answer, that is simply BRILLIANT. From my friend Chuck Landau, The

Wish me luck...

2004-10-27 Thread Bryon Daly
I'm off to Orlando for a job interview - I don't know much about the position yet, but it seems like it could be very cool, and living near Orlando would make my wife happy - she has family there and hates the Boston area. Wish me luck! -bryon ___

Re: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 26, 2004, at 3:49 PM, Dan Minette wrote: No technical problems. If it's the former, it's a challenge. If it's the latter, I'm shocked, especially since this list's very namesake has always been preaching the free flow of ideas, freedom of speech, transparency and accountability. Censorship

Re: Hypo-allergenic cats now available to order

2004-10-27 Thread Dave Land
Perhaps we will have another cat one day... http://www.allerca.com/html/pricingreserve.html Sure, but do they have videos of them spinning in zero-G? Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 09:00:52AM -0700, Dave Land wrote: I'll bite: how has Nick set up gambling on Brin-L? Try to keep up now, Dave! -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

RE: Wish me luck...

2004-10-27 Thread Horn, John
Behalf Of Bryon Daly I'm off to Orlando for a job interview - I don't know much about the position yet, but it seems like it could be very cool, and living near Orlando would make my wife happy - she has family there and hates the Boston area. Wish me luck! Good luck! I am jealous... -

Re: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 27, 2004, at 9:12 AM, Erik Reuter wrote: On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 09:00:52AM -0700, Dave Land wrote: I'll bite: how has Nick set up gambling on Brin-L? Try to keep up now, Dave! That was the purpose of the question, Eric. What is not as clear is the purpose of your riposte. Dave

Re: Brin: Defectors

2004-10-27 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 27, 2004, at 5:29 AM, JDG wrote (quoting Pat Buchanan): The liberal establishment ... broke [Nixon's] presidency in Watergate. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Nixon and his band of thieves broke his presidency in Watergate. Dave Lies, Damned Lies, and Pat Buchanan Maru

Re: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 09:22:41AM -0700, Dave Land wrote: That was the purpose of the question, Eric. No. What is not as clear is the purpose of your riposte. It's purpose was to encourage you to re-read and think, Davey. Brin-L obviously has nothing to do with gambling. So Dan's statement

Re: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 27, 2004, at 9:44 AM, Erik Reuter wrote: On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 09:22:41AM -0700, Dave Land wrote: That was the purpose of the question, Eric. No. You seem know what the purpose of my question was (or, anyway, what it was not), yet it is not what /I/ thought it was. Fascinating. Or was

Re: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Shocked shocked No, thanks. I won't waste my time with that. Maybe Dan will answer my question, maybe he won't. Maybe you'll

More Defections: This Time, It's News

2004-10-27 Thread Dave Land
Howdy, Coder/Blogger Dan Shafer reports on Salon.com's report that an unusual number of American newspapers are switching from Bush in 2000 to Kerry in 2004 -- unusual in the sense that just twice before in the last 16 elections has the Democratic candidate won more endorsements than the

Re: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 27, 2004, at 10:33 AM, Dan Minette wrote: I'll answer. It was a cultural reference to Casablanca. The police chief shuts down Rick's Cafe Americana, and Rick asks him why. The answer is because I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling at this establishment, sir. Then a staffer comes up

RE: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Horn, John
Behalf Of Dan Minette I thought that Casablanca was mainstream enough for most folks to get the reference. If you didn't, no attempt to sound more knowledgeable than you was intended. I'm sure you have cultural refererences that I wouldn't get tooand you are free to use them if

RE: Albert Speaks

2004-10-27 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Albert Speaks Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:22:56 EDT PS. Pictures from Titan! Wow. If I'm not living in a science fiction world, then where am I? In a Fantasy world? -Travis

Re: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Damon Agretto
I think on this list it might be best to stick with SF/Fantasy movie references! :) Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building:

Re: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:36 PM Subject: RE: Shocked shocked Behalf Of Dan Minette I thought that Casablanca was mainstream enough for most folks to get the reference. If

Re: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Nick Arnett
Horn, John wrote: I'm still wondering how Sonja knew whether all those messages were moderated or not... Easy -- check the headers. If there's a header X-Mailman-Approved-At header, then it was moderated. Everything else is unapproved... ;-) Nick ___

Re: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Shocked shocked Horn, John wrote: I'm still wondering how Sonja knew whether all those messages were moderated or not...

Re: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Shocked shocked Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:44:12 -0400 Look for similarities between the unreasoning in Dan's statement and the one that started this thread.

Weekly Chat Reminder

2004-10-27 Thread William T Goodall
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of

Florida Election Ballot

2004-10-27 Thread Gary Nunn
Sorry, couldn't help but pass this one along Florida Election Ballot http://wearabledissent.com/101/floridaballot.html Just in case the URL wrapped: http://tinyurl.com/6uhxn _ If you can't take the heat, don't tickle the dragon.

Re: The Electoral College (Was: Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis)

2004-10-27 Thread Deborah Harrell
Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: big snip So it wouldn't be as worthwhile for the candidates to focus on CO because there's less return for their effort? You mean something like the 33 or so other states that the candidates don't need to bother with because they're virtually

Re: Technical problem, or something far worse?

2004-10-27 Thread brin-l
At 27-10-04 13:24, Erik Reuter wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 10:35:38PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: transparency and accountability. So, what's your name and and home address? Considering the inherent unsafety of the Internet, I prefer to keep my personal information personal. But you may

Re: A Question about Tolerance

2004-10-27 Thread Chad Underkoffler
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:48:11 +0200 From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:03 PM 26/10/04 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The second thing I'd like to discuss is Is tolerance a positive, negative, or neutral meme? and Can tolerance be

Re: Technical problem, or something far worse?

2004-10-27 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 09:35:14PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 27-10-04 13:24, Erik Reuter wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 10:35:38PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: transparency and accountability. So, what's your name and and home address? Considering the inherent unsafety of

Re: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 10:36:08AM -0700, Dave Land wrote: Any criticism along those lines was directed at Erik, who for some reason found it necessary to answer my honest query with a smart-yap comment. Whine, whine, whine. If you just paid attention, you wouldn't have to whine about it. It

Re: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 27, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Erik Reuter wrote: On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 10:36:08AM -0700, Dave Land wrote: Any criticism along those lines was directed at Erik, who for some reason found it necessary to answer my honest query with a smart-yap comment. Whine, whine, whine. If you just paid

Re: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 02:17:17PM -0700, Dave Land wrote: Oh, shut up. Oh, no. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

teeny ancient humans

2004-10-27 Thread d.brin
Former brineller Stefan Jones passed on this: --- Stefan Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . in case you haven't already seen this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3948165.stm Scientists have discovered a new and tiny species of human that lived in Indonesia at the

Re: Brin: On the Republicans

2004-10-27 Thread Robert Seeberger
David Brin wrote: BTW, this is consistent with Bush's comment when, as governor of Texas, he was asked about the execution in Texas of a woman, Faye Tucker. He MOCKED her in a high, whiny voice, whimpering, please, don't kill me. YeahCarla Faye Tucker.she got high on drugs

Re: teeny ancient humans

2004-10-27 Thread Nick Arnett
d.brin wrote: Meanwhile, I am told that those marvelous placards at the Grand Canyon, telling about the layering of geological eras, wonderfully vivid before the eye, have been taken down and replaced with bible passages. I had to check on this one, since I couldn't imagine the park service

Re: Brin: On the Republicans

2004-10-27 Thread David Brin
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YeahCarla Faye Tucker.she got high on drugs one night.took a pickaxe.and killed two of her neighbors.and couldn't remember why By Texas standards, she deserved the injection. I am not arguing against this. Or even

Brin: Re: teeny ancient humans

2004-10-27 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:47 PM Wednesday 10/27/04, d.brin wrote: Former brineller Stefan Jones passed on this: --- Stefan Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . in case you haven't already seen this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3948165.stm Scientists have discovered a new and tiny

Re: Br!n: On the Saudis

2004-10-27 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JDG asked: Let me put it another way. Let's say that it is March of 2002, you are National Security Advisor to the President of the United States, and you are presented with evidence that the Saudi Royal Family helped fund 9/11. What is your policy reccomendation? Nuke Mecca and Medina!

Re: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Robert Seeberger
Horn, John wrote: I'm still wondering how Sonja knew whether all those messages were moderated or not... Fairly easy actually. It says so in the message headers. xponent Been There Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

re: Brin: Nixon was much better

2004-10-27 Thread d.brin
See the section snipped below from: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/6562575? = War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military

Re: Brin: On the Republicans

2004-10-27 Thread Alberto Monteiro
David Brin wrote: My point was to point out the high school bully-style mockery, substituting for the decorum, sobriety and gravitas that should be shown by the leader of a civilization, when discussing life or death... ... or war... But who elected the president of the USA to become the

Re: Brin: On the Republicans

2004-10-27 Thread Robert Seeberger
David Brin wrote: --- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YeahCarla Faye Tucker.she got high on drugs one night.took a pickaxe.and killed two of her neighbors.and couldn't remember why By Texas standards, she deserved the injection. I am not arguing

Re: Brin-l Digest, Vol 198, Issue 3

2004-10-27 Thread Matt Grimaldi
JDG wrote: It strikes me as a fair reading of Dr. Brin's comments to this List for some time now - that Republicans are enemies of the United States, and Republican policies are never the product of rational thought, but are instead the product of this enmity. Dr. Brin can correct the

NASA expert: White House stifles global warming data

2004-10-27 Thread Gary Nunn
NASA expert: White House stifles global warming data IOWA CITY, Iowa (AP) -- The Bush administration is trying to stifle scientific evidence of the dangers of global warming in an effort to keep the public uninformed, a NASA scientist said Tuesday night. In my more than three decades in

Re: teeny ancient humans

2004-10-27 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 27, 2004, at 2:59 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: d.brin wrote: Meanwhile, I am told that those marvelous placards at the Grand Canyon, telling about the layering of geological eras, wonderfully vivid before the eye, have been taken down and replaced with bible passages. I had to check on

Re: Br!n: On the Saudis

2004-10-27 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:25 PM Subject: Re: Br!n: On the Saudis Dan wrote: The world is full of possibilities Doug, but this is a long shot. Political pressure comes

Re: Technical problem, or something far worse?

2004-10-27 Thread JDG
At 09:35 PM 10/27/2004 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 27-10-04 13:24, Erik Reuter wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 10:35:38PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: transparency and accountability. So, what's your name and and home address? Considering the inherent unsafety of the Internet, I

Week 8 NFL Picks

2004-10-27 Thread John D. Giorgis
6-8 last week, Yuck.52-50 for the year. Double yuck. And, the Upset Special falls to 4-3 after the Bills bumble and stumble their way to a loss vs. the punchless Ravens. Well, the Bills' season may be over, but I will keep plugging away Arizona at Buffalo - The Cardinals are coming off

Re: Br!n: On the Saudis

2004-10-27 Thread Robert Seeberger
Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first two sentences above really set me off. And I can only hope that you can understand why. Actually, after everything I've heard on this list, I have no sympathy whatsoever, Rob, and I really don't appreciate

Updated Electoral College Look

2004-10-27 Thread John D. Giorgis
I am continuing to look closely at the State Polls that come in, as well as TV ad buys, and candidate visits to get a feel for how this race is developing. When it comes to State polls, I tend to put a lot of stock in Gallup generally (as they are the granddaddy of pollsters) and in Mason-Dixon

Boston wins!

2004-10-27 Thread Jim Sharkey
And on a related note, pigs fly, water runs uphill, and the Apocalypse is scheduled to begin 3:00 PM next Thursday. :) Jim I can only imagine what kind of hangover Gautam will be nursing tomorrow Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The

Wow.

2004-10-27 Thread Julia Thompson
This is a momentous day. Not only did I get to see a lunar eclipse, but I got to watch the Boston Red Sox win the World Series. Wow. If someone had told me back in 1986 that such a day would come, with both eclipse and World Series victory, I wouldn't have believed it. :) Julia

re: Brin: the administration's own words

2004-10-27 Thread d.brin
IN THE ADMINISTRATION'S WORDS - Ø In February, 2001, Secretary of State Colin Powell said We have kept him contained, kept him in his box. Saddam has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. Ø In July 2001, National Security Director Condoleezza Rice

Re: Week 8 NFL Picks

2004-10-27 Thread Julia Thompson
John D. Giorgis wrote: 6-8 last week, Yuck.52-50 for the year. Double yuck. And, the Upset Special falls to 4-3 after the Bills bumble and stumble their way to a loss vs. the punchless Ravens. Well, the Bills' season may be over, but I will keep plugging away I'm going to conduct

Re: Shocked shocked

2004-10-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Dave Land wrote: Incidentally, I was not concerned that you were trying to sound more knowledgeable than me (or anyone else). Any criticism along those lines was directed at Erik, who for some reason found it necessary to answer my honest query with a smart-yap comment. That's Erik for you

Re: Updated Electoral College Look

2004-10-27 Thread Julia Thompson
John D. Giorgis wrote: I am continuing to look closely at the State Polls that come in, as well as TV ad buys, and candidate visits to get a feel for how this race is developing. When it comes to State polls, I tend to put a lot of stock in Gallup generally (as they are the granddaddy of

Re: Br!n: On the Republicans

2004-10-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: Has anyone noted how the execution rate dropped in Texas since Bush executed his term as President? Not really. Maybe you're right, and I hadn't been paying that much attention. (About 4 months after he took office, my life changed drastically) But I have noticed

Re: Boston wins!

2004-10-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Jim Sharkey wrote: And on a related note, pigs fly, water runs uphill, and the Apocalypse is scheduled to begin 3:00 PM next Thursday. :) Between that and the lunar eclipse, we figured there must be a few more signs out there on that. I won't believe it unless I've seen at least 3 signs,

Re: Week 8 NFL Picks

2004-10-27 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:03 PM 10/27/2004 -0500 Julia Thompson wrote: I expect that JDG will have a better record for this week than I will, as I'm just playing favorites and he's actually looking at factors that will realistically affect the outcome of the games. Considering that I am inexplicably performing at a

Re: Boston wins!

2004-10-27 Thread Gautam Mukunda
Sadly I have an 8:30am midterm tomorrow morning, so only a mild one... I think today involved the most stereotypically male moment of my life. I saw the first half of the game at a lingerie fashion show, watching models while behind them the game was being played. There was much laughter and

Re: Boston wins!

2004-10-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Sadly I have an 8:30am midterm tomorrow morning, so only a mild one... I think today involved the most stereotypically male moment of my life. I saw the first half of the game at a lingerie fashion show, watching models while behind them the game was being played.