Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . .

2009-08-26 Thread Charlie Bell
On 26/08/2009, at 9:03 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: What's a planet? Debate over Pluto rages on - CNN.com No it doesn't. *sigh* Either planets sweep their orbits of debris in which case we have 14+ or they don't and we have 8. But it's not a debate about Pluto. It's a debate about

Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . .

2009-08-26 Thread Charlie Bell
On 26/08/2009, at 11:24 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Charlie Bell write: Either planets sweep their orbits of debris in which case we have 14+ or they don't and we have 8. Uh? Isn't it the other way around? Um, yes. :-) But it's not a debate about Pluto. It's a debate about whether

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2009-08-26 Thread tshipley
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Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . .

2009-08-26 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Charlie Bell write: Either planets sweep their orbits of debris in which case we have 14+ or they don't and we have 8. Uh? Isn't it the other way around? But it's not a debate about Pluto. It's a debate about whether we have lots of planets or we have some planets and some

Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . .

2009-08-26 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Charlie Bell wrote: IIRC, Phobos is falling and Deimos is leaving Mars. ...and our moon is leaving too. No, it's not. If the Sun didn't explode [*], the Earth-Moon system would stabilize in two tidal-locked bodies. It's all a matter of time. Yes, but we are talking about a difference in

Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . .

2009-08-26 Thread Charlie Bell
On 26/08/2009, at 11:41 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Charlie Bell wrote: IIRC, Phobos is falling and Deimos is leaving Mars. ...and our moon is leaving too. No, it's not. If the Sun didn't explode [*], the Earth-Moon system would stabilize in two tidal-locked bodies. Would it? The

Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . .

2009-08-26 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:09:46 +1000 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . . On 26/08/2009, at 9:03 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: What's a planet? Debate over Pluto rages on - CNN.com No

Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . .

2009-08-26 Thread tshipley
Maybe the 4 body problem is unstable. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: David Hobby hob...@newpaltz.edu Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:03:02 To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionbrin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . .

Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . .

2009-08-26 Thread David Hobby
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Charlie Bell wrote: IIRC, Phobos is falling and Deimos is leaving Mars. ...and our moon is leaving too. No, it's not. If the Sun didn't explode [*], the Earth-Moon system would stabilize in two tidal-locked bodies. Alberto-- I'd go with doesn't, but that does make

Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . .

2009-08-26 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:24 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Probably (my guess) Mars's moons are recent acquisitions, and won't last forever. Venus and Mercury may have had moonlets in the past too, that lasted a few million years and then either crashed or flew away. And it's entirely likely that

Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . .

2009-08-26 Thread David Hobby
Bruce Bostwick wrote: ... And why with 100+ moons, none of them has a sub-moon? My guess would be that there just aren't many stable solutions to a close-in three-body problem like that. Jupiter's gravitational effects dominate the orbital dynamics of a good part of the solar system, and

Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . .

2009-08-26 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Aug 26, 2009, at 12:10 PM, David Hobby wrote: And why with 100+ moons, none of them has a sub-moon? My guess would be that there just aren't many stable solutions to a close-in three-body problem like that. Jupiter's gravitational effects dominate the orbital dynamics of a good part of

Weekly Chat Reminder

2009-08-26 Thread William T Goodall
The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over ten years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over

RE: More Pluto Goofyness . . .

2009-08-26 Thread Julia
-Original Message- From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bostwick Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:56 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . . On Aug 25, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Ronn!