Re: Google Wave
From: Matt Grimaldi matzeb...@yahoo.com FUD usually appears as an acronym for the usual resistance to change: Fear Uncertainty Doubt Oh, dear. I'm hosed. I neither twitter nor text nor have a phone that I use for anything other than talking... Debbi I Am NOT A Fuddy-Duddy!!! Maru ...am I? ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
From: Matt Grimaldi matzeb...@yahoo.com FUD usually appears as an acronym for the usual resistance to change: Fear Uncertainty Doubt From: Deborah Harrell harrellmed...@yahoo.com ]Oh, dear. I'm hosed. I neither twitter nor text nor have a phone that I use for anything other than talking... ] ]Debbi ]I Am NOT A Fuddy-Duddy!!! Maru ] ]...am I? No, you just haven't found the killer app that would make you *need* to get one yet. Being a late adopter doesn't become FUD until you're trying to convince everyone that it (whatever it is...) is just a fad, will be dangerous, won't work properly, will cost too much, and so on... -- Matt ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
Thanks, Max and Bruce. But I have one more question. What's FUD? Is it printable? Amities, Jo Anne evens...@hevanet.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
FUD usually appears as an acronym for the usual resistance to change: Fear Uncertainty Doubt -- Matt - Original Message From: Jo Anne evens...@hevanet.com To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 12:45:22 PM Subject: Re: Google Wave Thanks, Max and Bruce. But I have one more question. What's FUD? Is it printable? Amities, Jo Anne evens...@hevanet.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
On 15/10/2009, at 8:11 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining a discussion about the future? Wayne, I used this e-mail address for my wave account (sen...@iicx.net) so perhaps try adding that address to the wave? Can you invite others to the beta? I'm interested, but I don't have access. It's a bit of a bugger, but no, not easily. I maintain many Google hosted mail/apps/etc. services for clients and didn't get anything other than a secondary invite (which at present can not invite others.) Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
On 15/10/2009, at 8:18 AM, Wayne Eddy wrote: No Problem, Nick. I will send you an invite - I think it might take a few days to process though. I assume you want to use this address nick.arn...@gmail.com ? The invites aren't linked to the e-mail address it's sent to; once the user has received the invite, they can use it with any e-mail address they wish. And yes, they do take a few days to process. Regards, Wayne. - Original Message - From: Nick Arnett To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Google Wave On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining a discussion about the future? Can you invite others to the beta? I'm interested, but I don't have access. Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
OK, Guys, what the heck is Google Wave? Is it like what Twits do with Tweets? I know what a beta test is, but a Google Wave? Speak slowly and directly into the microphone, please. Amities, Jo Anne evens...@hevanet.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
Jo Anne wrote: OK, Guys, what the heck is Google Wave? Is it like what Twits do with Tweets? I know what a beta test is, but a Google Wave? Speak slowly and directly into the microphone, please. It depends on who you ask and how much hype they've ingested, digested, and are prepared to spew back at you... Basically, Google Wave is an attempt at a convergence of... well, everything that is communication, actually. It tries to converge the immediacy of IM or Twitter with the long term storage and general richness of email or forum conversations or Word documents. It has the possibility of becoming One Inbox to Rule Them All, but that invokes a lot of assumptions that may not necessarily be true nor become true. So far, I remain a skeptic of the project: considering how hard it is to explain the system I wonder if it is too complex to easily gain mainstream acceptance/usage. You can watch the long video (and it is long) trying to explain the thing at the Wave website: http://wave.google.com -- --Max Battcher-- http://worldmaker.net ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Max Battcher wrote: Jo Anne wrote: OK, Guys, what the heck is Google Wave? Is it like what Twits do with Tweets? I know what a beta test is, but a Google Wave? Speak slowly and directly into the microphone, please. It depends on who you ask and how much hype they've ingested, digested, and are prepared to spew back at you... Basically, Google Wave is an attempt at a convergence of... well, everything that is communication, actually. It tries to converge the immediacy of IM or Twitter with the long term storage and general richness of email or forum conversations or Word documents. It has the possibility of becoming One Inbox to Rule Them All, but that invokes a lot of assumptions that may not necessarily be true nor become true. So far, I remain a skeptic of the project: considering how hard it is to explain the system I wonder if it is too complex to easily gain mainstream acceptance/usage. You can watch the long video (and it is long) trying to explain the thing at the Wave website: http://wave.google.com I haven't chimed in on Wave or the more general subject of cloud computing yet, since I haven't used it yet (which, in some people's judgment, makes me ineligible to comment, although I consider that a questionable argument), but my misgivings about it are generally related to the same question of how valid the underlying assumptions are, as well as the overall reliability of the servers the storage lives on. (It seems to me that a lot of the hype around the cloud computing concept is really thin on details of infrastructure, storage reliability/redundancy and backup maintenance, privacy protection, and a whole range of other unanswered questions I've had about it. And for people who seem so eager to have me store my personal data on their servers, a lot of those unanswered questions are show stoppers for me.) The true paradox of democracy is that it is vulnerable to defeat from within -- Me ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
Bruce Bostwick wrote: I haven't chimed in on Wave or the more general subject of cloud computing yet, since I haven't used it yet (which, in some people's judgment, makes me ineligible to comment, although I consider that a questionable argument), but my misgivings about it are generally related to the same question of how valid the underlying assumptions are, as well as the overall reliability of the servers the storage lives on. In terms of specific to Google Wave: for now early adopters should trust Google's storage policies (and considering the vast number of people with Gmail addresses, many do), with the addition of the Google way-early-beta caveat. In the mid to long term other servers should start to pick up Wave usage. The entire Java source to run your own Wave server is available for use and adaptation and servers talk to each other in similar ways to email servers (so Wave participant addresses right now are things like max.battc...@googlewave.com, which look like email addresses but aren't guaranteed to be one and the same). (More accurately, the server to server protocols are based on the more recent XMPP IM standards rather than decades-old email, but the general idea is the same...) (It seems to me that a lot of the hype around the cloud computing concept is really thin on details of infrastructure, storage reliability/redundancy and backup maintenance, privacy protection, and a whole range of other unanswered questions I've had about it. And for people who seem so eager to have me store my personal data on their servers, a lot of those unanswered questions are show stoppers for me.) Well cloud computing has come to embody a lot of concepts, generally, and can be anything from marketing droid speak to a beloved panacea from the computing gods... To be honest the term in common parlance doesn't seem to have a very well-defined meaning anymore. Generally, individual cloud computing providers should be able to provide you with all of the details that you need, and your questions are unanswered, you may not be asking the right people... All of the services that I use on a daily basis are very forthright with that sort of information and I would say that I have days where I am very paranoid. It's hard to argue anything at a general cloud computing level, and just like any other set of services you have to go into each relationship with some idea of your intent and the company/entity's trustworthiness. Perhaps if you named specific services or concerns your questions might be answered. -- --Max Battcher-- http://worldmaker.net ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Max Battcher wrote: Bruce Bostwick wrote: I haven't chimed in on Wave or the more general subject of cloud computing yet, since I haven't used it yet (which, in some people's judgment, makes me ineligible to comment, although I consider that a questionable argument), but my misgivings about it are generally related to the same question of how valid the underlying assumptions are, as well as the overall reliability of the servers the storage lives on. In terms of specific to Google Wave: for now early adopters should trust Google's storage policies (and considering the vast number of people with Gmail addresses, many do), with the addition of the Google way-early-beta caveat. In the mid to long term other servers should start to pick up Wave usage. The entire Java source to run your own Wave server is available for use and adaptation and servers talk to each other in similar ways to email servers (so Wave participant addresses right now are things like max.battc...@googlewave.com, which look like email addresses but aren't guaranteed to be one and the same). (More accurately, the server to server protocols are based on the more recent XMPP IM standards rather than decades-old email, but the general idea is the same...) (It seems to me that a lot of the hype around the cloud computing concept is really thin on details of infrastructure, storage reliability/redundancy and backup maintenance, privacy protection, and a whole range of other unanswered questions I've had about it. And for people who seem so eager to have me store my personal data on their servers, a lot of those unanswered questions are show stoppers for me.) Well cloud computing has come to embody a lot of concepts, generally, and can be anything from marketing droid speak to a beloved panacea from the computing gods... To be honest the term in common parlance doesn't seem to have a very well-defined meaning anymore. Generally, individual cloud computing providers should be able to provide you with all of the details that you need, and your questions are unanswered, you may not be asking the right people... All of the services that I use on a daily basis are very forthright with that sort of information and I would say that I have days where I am very paranoid. It's hard to argue anything at a general cloud computing level, and just like any other set of services you have to go into each relationship with some idea of your intent and the company/entity's trustworthiness. Perhaps if you named specific services or concerns your questions might be answered. Part of my concern with the concept in general is the fairly glaring admin/management deficiency described in this article: http://dailyqi.com/?p=10576 Even though Danger is owned by Microsoft, who is a proponent of cloud-based computing where data is stored and possibly reproduced across a number of services, only one server apparently was used. This isn’t the problem here, but it’s the apparent lack of any data backup by Danger is. The company’s statement on this should be very interesting. Granted, the mistake was fairly obvious, but it's hard to find out about things like that up front. (Although, as you say, any provider that's reluctant or outright unable to answer questions like what backup strategy do you use? isn't a good choice ..) I'm probably not a typical Texan in that I don't hunt. I fish, but I don't hunt. And it has nothing to do with how I think it might somehow be more holy to eat meat that's been bludgeoned to death by someone else, that's not it. It's really early in the morning, it's really cold outside, and...I don't wanna go. -- Ron White ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining a discussion about the future? Can you invite others to the beta? I'm interested, but I don't have access. Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
No Problem, Nick. I will send you an invite - I think it might take a few days to process though. I assume you want to use this address nick.arn...@gmail.com ? Regards, Wayne. - Original Message - From: Nick Arnett To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Google Wave On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining a discussion about the future? Can you invite others to the beta? I'm interested, but I don't have access. Nick -- ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
Wayne Eddy said the following on 10/14/2009 6:07 PM: Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining a discussion about the future? Regards, Wayne Eddy I'd love to get an invite and give it a try as well, Wayne. -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au wrote: No Problem, Nick. I will send you an invite - I think it might take a few days to process though. I assume you want to use this address nick.arn...@gmail.com ? That's the one. Thanks! Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
Wayne, Top-posting to say, Me, too, please! Dave On Oct 14, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote: No Problem, Nick. I will send you an invite - I think it might take a few days to process though. I assume you want to use this address nick.arn...@gmail.com ? Regards, Wayne. - Original Message - From: Nick Arnett To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Google Wave On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining a discussion about the future? Can you invite others to the beta? I'm interested, but I don't have access. Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
Hi Lance, have you got a gmail address you want to use? I have sent Nick Dave invites, and I am happy to you one too, but I want to invite a few others from elsewhere so three invites for the Brin List will have to do for now. Looking forward to waving with you in the near future, Regards, Wayne. P.S. Google says: Google Wave is more fun when you have others to wave with, so please nominate people you would like to add. Keep in mind that this is a preview so it could be a bit rocky at times. Invitations will not be sent immediately. We have a lot of stamps to lick. Happy waving! - Original Message - From: Lance A. Brown la...@bearcircle.net To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:31 AM Subject: Re: Google Wave Wayne Eddy said the following on 10/14/2009 6:07 PM: Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining a discussion about the future? Regards, Wayne Eddy I'd love to get an invite and give it a try as well, Wayne. -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
Wayne Eddy said the following on 10/14/2009 11:28 PM: Hi Lance, have you got a gmail address you want to use? I have sent Nick Dave invites, and I am happy to you one too, but I want to invite a few others from elsewhere so three invites for the Brin List will have to do for now. Looking forward to waving with you in the near future, Hi, You can use lance.a.br...@gmail.com for my invite. Thanks, --[Lance] -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
Looks cool, count me in please. Use brig...@zo.com Thanks, Doug On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining a discussion about the future? Regards, Wayne Eddy ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
