Re: Who Has the Rights to a Movie?

2003-01-22 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Bob Zimmerman wrote: 
  
 Say Mary Poppins digitally remastered to show 
 Julie Andrews naked.  
 
Great! Where can I find this movie? Is it at sale in 
the Internet? 
 
Alberto Monteiro 
 
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Re: Who Has the Rights to a Movie?

2003-01-22 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 09:14 22-01-2003 -0200, Alberto Monteiro wrote:


 Say Mary Poppins digitally remastered to show Julie Andrews naked.

Great! Where can I find this movie? Is it at sale in the Internet?


Not Mary Poppins, but it does have Julie Andrews baring her breasts:

Blake Edward's S.O.B.

$14.95 on VHS (or $4.95 used):
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6301706811/imdb-adbox/002-5679910-6398429

$17.98 on DVD ($13.95 used):
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B63K2P/imdb-adbox/002-5679910-6398429


Jeroen Whatever turns you on... van Baardwijk


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Re: Who Has the Rights to a Movie?

2003-01-21 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JDG asked: 
 
 Specifically, can a director prevent companies from 
 marketing clean versions of popular movies to 
 morally discerning customers? 
 
Ouch, this is one of the most evil things that 
companies do. It should be forbidden, and offenders 
should be hanged in public :-/ 
 
Alberto Monteiro 
 
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Re: Who Has the Rights to a Movie?

2003-01-21 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 21 Jan 2003 at 9:50, Alberto Monteiro wrote:

 JDG asked: 
  
  Specifically, can a director prevent companies from 
  marketing clean versions of popular movies to 
  morally discerning customers? 
  
 Ouch, this is one of the most evil things that 
 companies do. It should be forbidden, and offenders 
 should be hanged in public :-/ 

Hardware...yes.
Software...no.

The difference is that the consumer can't accidently be fooled into 
buying the software. They buy it and the filters for specific movies 
because they WANT it.

THAT is free speech.

Andy
Dawn Falcon

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Re: Who Has the Rights to a Movie?

2003-01-21 Thread John Garcia
On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 09:51  PM, John D. Giorgis wrote:


Specifically, can a director prevent companies from marketing clean
versions of popular movies to morally discerning customers?

http://slate.msn.com/id/2077192/

JDG


Depends on who holds the copyright. Usually it's the studio. If they 
don't care, the director can do little save yell loud and strong. Now, 
should a director working in Hollywierd have the same rights as a 
director working in France? Maybe a Scorsese, Ford, or Wells, but 
Michael Bay? How could you tell if a bad director has had his/her film 
bowdlerized?

Film buffs might remember how RKO took The Magnificent Ambersons away 
from Orson Wells (the greatest American film director to date) while he 
was shooting another film in Mexico, after he had finished his cut. RKO 
executives then wrecked the film completely by chopping (I won't call 
it editing) it into a mess.

john


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Re: Who Has the Rights to a Movie?

2003-01-21 Thread Reggie Bautista
JDG asked:


 Specifically, can a director prevent companies from
 marketing clean versions of popular movies to
 morally discerning customers?


Alberto replied:

Ouch, this is one of the most evil things that
companies do. It should be forbidden, and offenders
should be hanged in public :-/


It's one thing to bleep out or mute out an objectionable
word, it's a whole other thing to replace it with a
different word.  I've always disliked the practice of
redubbed dialogue in movies when shown on television.  Of
course, if they just bleeped or muted bad language in
Pulp Fiction, large parts of it would become completely
unintelligible :-)  But really, that's ok.  If you are
offended by that kind of language, then why are you
watching the movie in the first place?  Most dubbing
for television is purposely mixed in a way that makes
it very obvious that this is not the original dialogue.
Thank God for Showtime, et.al., where a person can see
a movie as it was originally made.

But replacing an image of a nude person with a corsetted
picture?  These are the same people who would put a shroud
around Michelangelo's David.  How would they feel about
someone rewriting the Bible to soften or remove all the
violent parts, like the crucifixion?  Sometimes the violence
is a vital part of the story.  The fact that a person uses
bad language tells you a lot about that persons character.
The fact that they use a gun tells you a lot too.  ...Editing
out the bullet shots in [Saving Private Ryan's] first battle
scene as the article says has been done completely changes
the intent of that sequence, which was meant to show that
war is not glamorous, it's not fun, it's bloody and violent.

Honestly, if you find a movie objectionable, DON'T WATCH IT!
This is not difficult.  The reason movies are edited for
airlines is that it's impossible to not see the screen.
Radio stations mute out or bleep out or otherwise make edits
to remove offensive language, but they don't replace the
bad words with words that aren't bad.  I have no problem
with a movie studio (the copyright owner) releasing a version
of a movie with offensive language muted (provided the
movie packaging clearly notes this), but I *do* have a
problem with words and pictures being replaced.

It's really simple.  If you know that you are going to find
images in a movie to be objectionable to you, then don't
rent it.  There are plenty of sites on the internet that
provide enough information in advance without spoiling the
stories to allow people to make educated decisions about this,
and these sites are easily accessible from a computer in any
public library.  Most public libraries also carry publications
like Christian Science Monitor and National Catholic Reporter
which also give this kind of information.

If you're watching a copy of Saving Private Ryan that has no
blood, no bullets, and no death, then you aren't watching
Saving Private Ryan.

Reggie Bautista


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