Re: [BRLTTY] [OT] How to integrate BSI into a Linux cell phone?

2020-08-19 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! Its an intresting thought though. So i am intrested in this. /A > 18 aug. 2020 kl. 07:48 skrev Aura Kelloniemi : > > Rich writes: >>> On Aug 17, 2020, at 09:03, Mario Lang wrote: >>> A physical keyboard doesn't sound like a real problem. > >> I'm mostly basing this on comments by a blind f

Re: [BRLTTY] [OT] How to integrate BSI into a Linux cell phone?

2020-08-18 Thread Chevelle
The Orbit Writer is new, so I have no experience with it. http://www.orbitresearch.com/product/orbit-writer/ There is also a Podcast at  this link discussing it, which I haven't listened to yet. http://www.dr-carter.com/ On 8/17/2020 11:13 PM, Rich wrote: On Aug 17, 2020, at 16:47, Chevel

Re: [BRLTTY] [OT] How to integrate BSI into a Linux cell phone?

2020-08-18 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Aura Kelloniemi on 2020/08/18 at 08:48 +0300] >(Rich, for your information, braille with BRLTTY is not really supported in >graphical terminal emulators. Emulators that support at-spi2 are >accessible to some extent, but this support is not up for day-to-day use. ... >BRLTTY does

Re: [BRLTTY] [OT] How to integrate BSI into a Linux cell phone?

2020-08-18 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Rich on 2020/08/17 at 20:13 -0700] >In any case, braille screen input is a larger and longer-term effort, but I >wanted >to get some feedback on it before diving in... You asked, in an earlier message, where to send the key events. My recommendation is to create a new (additiona

Re: [BRLTTY] [OT] How to integrate BSI into a Linux cell phone?

2020-08-18 Thread Aura Kelloniemi
Rich writes: > > On Aug 17, 2020, at 22:48, Aura Kelloniemi wrote: > > I suppose that with PostmarketOS this setup is already very easy to > > achieve. A > > rebuilt kernel with VT support is probably the only thing needed. > I suspect that a PinePhone, some earbuds, and a USB-C keyboard w

Re: [BRLTTY] [OT] How to integrate BSI into a Linux cell phone?

2020-08-17 Thread Rich
> On Aug 17, 2020, at 22:48, Aura Kelloniemi wrote: Thanks for the insightful comments. > 1. A mobile computer with braille & speech support Braille displays aren't cheap; AFAIK, they start around $1K. My impression is that most folks who have them didn't buy their own. So, either an employer

Re: [BRLTTY] [OT] How to integrate BSI into a Linux cell phone?

2020-08-17 Thread Aura Kelloniemi
Rich writes: > > On Aug 17, 2020, at 09:03, Mario Lang wrote: > > A physical keyboard doesn't sound like a real problem. > I'm mostly basing this on comments by a blind friend who uses an old, small > iPhone for much of her Internet access. She is unhappy that all of the new > iPhones are

Re: [BRLTTY] [OT] How to integrate BSI into a Linux cell phone?

2020-08-17 Thread Rich
> On Aug 17, 2020, at 16:47, Chevelle wrote: > > Braille screen input would be fine, but the first challenge would be to > get > Linux installed and have some accessible applications. Agreed. I've been working on that problem, mostly by assembling a machine-readable list of plausible appl

Re: [BRLTTY] [OT] How to integrate BSI into a Linux cell phone?

2020-08-17 Thread Jackie McBride
Hey Rich, might I please engage w/you off list? On 8/17/20, Chevelle wrote: >     Braille screen input would be fine, but the first challenge would > be to get Linux installed and have some accessible applications. I find > it hard to imagine using Braille Screen Input for any serious work. > Ma

Re: [BRLTTY] [OT] How to integrate BSI into a Linux cell phone?

2020-08-17 Thread Chevelle
    Braille screen input would be fine, but the first challenge would be to get Linux installed and have some accessible applications. I find it hard to imagine using Braille Screen Input for any serious work.  Many Braille displays already have keys that allow Braille input.  If I remember cor

Re: [BRLTTY] [OT] How to integrate BSI into a Linux cell phone?

2020-08-17 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Rich on 2020/08/17 at 15:07 -0700] >pmOS is based on Alpine Linux; is there a BRLTTY port for that? Brltty already runs on ARM-based Android devices. Whatever additional support it may need for what you're doing shouldn't be hard to add. >If not, are there any gnarly problems

Re: [BRLTTY] [OT] How to integrate BSI into a Linux cell phone?

2020-08-17 Thread Rich
> On Aug 17, 2020, at 14:00, Brian Tew wrote: > > I seem to contradict all your usuallys in my chubby person— > stone blind, always preferred linux, prefer keyboards for input, > And I would be delighted to have such a Phone with brltty on it. > So we do exist; maybe more than you think. I'm del

Re: [BRLTTY] [OT] How to integrate BSI into a Linux cell phone?

2020-08-17 Thread Tage Johansson
I must say that I am very interested in this project, BSI for the command line on a linux phone. I don't want any gui at all, all I want is a headless linux terminal just as my normal linux terminal on my computer. I think a very good solution is to make BSI to be another input device for brltt

Re: [BRLTTY] [OT] How to integrate BSI into a Linux cell phone?

2020-08-17 Thread Brian Tew
I seem to contradict all your usuallys in my chubby person— stone blind, always preferred linux, prefer keyboards for input, And I would be delighted to have such a Phone with brltty on it. So we do exist; maybe more than you think. > On Aug 17, 2020, at 3:21 PM, Rich wrote: > Thanks for the

Re: [BRLTTY] [OT] How to integrate BSI into a Linux cell phone?

2020-08-17 Thread Rich
Thanks for the detailed, thoughtful response! I've edited in my answers below. > On Aug 17, 2020, at 09:03, Mario Lang wrote: > > Voice Recognition also conflicts with your idea of a CLI-based system. It's certainly an unusual combination, but not unthinkable. For example, if Richard Stallman

Re: [BRLTTY] [OT] How to integrate BSI into a Linux cell phone?

2020-08-17 Thread Mario Lang
Rich writes: > I'm a sighted, semi-retired, volunteer developer who is very interested in the > possibility of re-purposing Android cell phones as blind-accessible computing > and communication devices. There are a number of projects working on re-using > the billions of aging cell phones that a

[BRLTTY] [OT] How to integrate BSI into a Linux cell phone?

2020-08-12 Thread Rich
Although this question is somewhat off-topic, I'm hoping that some folks here will find it interesting enough to give me a bit of slack. Anyway, here goes... Background I'm a sighted, semi-retired, volunteer developer who is very interested in the possibility of re-purposing Android cell phones