bug#31728: Automake and AM_WITH_DMALLOC; endorsing proprietary software?

2021-12-11 Thread Mike Frysinger
On 11 Dec 2021 15:42, Karl Berry wrote: > i tend to agree with this sentiment that the macro doesn't really fit > with automake's mission. and more importantly, i think the ecosystem > has grown significantly since the macro was first added back in 1996. > > I also agree, but I still

bug#31728: Automake and AM_WITH_DMALLOC; endorsing proprietary software?

2021-12-11 Thread Karl Berry
Mike, i tend to agree with this sentiment that the macro doesn't really fit with automake's mission. and more importantly, i think the ecosystem has grown significantly since the macro was first added back in 1996. I also agree, but I still wouldn't want to delete the macro and thus

bug#10828: [RFC] POSIX will say running "rm -f" with no argument is OK

2021-12-11 Thread Moritz Klammler
Hi folks, hope you don't mind an outsider (occasional Autotools user) joining the discussion with some trivia. On 12/11/21 22:52, Karl Berry wrote: Hi Mike, Peter, > or do we document that we expect `rm -f` to work, I don't see a reason to break working code wrt rm -f merely for

bug#10828: [RFC] POSIX will say running "rm -f" with no argument is OK

2021-12-11 Thread Karl Berry
it probably comes down to being a bit clearer on what autotools' goals are and what it considers reasonable prerequisites. I'd find it hard to define precisely. As a general rule, I wouldn't want to lose support for any system that is working now, until we can be really sure that it is no

bug#10828: [RFC] POSIX will say running "rm -f" with no argument is OK

2021-12-11 Thread Karl Berry
Hi Mike, Peter, > or do we document that we expect `rm -f` to work, I don't see a reason to break working code wrt rm -f merely for cosmetic purposes. test -z "$(VAR)" || rm -f $(VAR) does not actually seem "awful" to me. And I fail to see any significant gain by simplifying it.

bug#10828: [RFC] POSIX will say running "rm -f" with no argument is OK

2021-12-11 Thread Peter Johansson
Hi Mike, On 11/12/21 15:14, Mike Frysinger wrote: On 11 Dec 2021 09:33, Peter Johansson wrote: On 10/12/21 15:47, Mike Frysinger wrote: if it's dropped, i'm not sure how users are supposed to fix things. the error message says to install GNU coreutils, but if GNU coreutils uses automake and