Re: Prefer non-gender specific pronouns

2021-06-07 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Mon, Jun 07, 2021 at 12:52:08PM +0200, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > I know a number of French female academics, who would just laugh at the > latter claim. > To start with, they, married, but retained their maiden surnames, say, X, > cannot even manage to get > them addressed by official

Re: [PATCH] Prefer non-gender specific pronouns

2021-06-07 Thread felix
I totally agree with Léa: Awesome patch, but... Please stop this troll! As children of Gaia for me, there's no matter if Greg is a woman or Léa a men... Are bash male or female!? This forum is technical, not political! I've already seen many human groups splited because of stupid

Re: [PATCH] Prefer non-gender specific pronouns

2021-06-07 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Mon, Jun 07, 2021 at 01:57:58PM +0200, felix wrote: > I totally agree with L??a: Awesome patch, but... > > Please stop this troll! > > As children of Gaia for me, there's no matter if Greg is a woman or L??a a > men... Are bash male or female!? > > This forum is technical, not political!

Re: [PATCH] Prefer non-gender specific pronouns

2021-06-07 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Mon, Jun 07, 2021 at 06:12:07PM +0200, Léa Gris wrote: > This is what is happening here. Now they just ask for mundane changes and > will probably accept the patch. They will come again and ask for inclusive > grammar, then come again and ask for removal of anything that is even > remotely

Re: Prefer non-gender specific pronouns

2021-06-07 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Mon, Jun 07, 2021 at 08:37:53PM +0200, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > Where have you been taught to address a CS lecturer at Oxford University, > a PhD, who, age-wise, could have been your father, I suppose, with f-word? > In which well-respected madrasah did it happen, so that we know? Please lads:

Re: [PATCH] Prefer non-gender specific pronouns

2021-06-07 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Mon, Jun 07, 2021 at 06:12:07PM +0200, L??a Gris wrote: > Le 07/06/2021 ?? 14:25, Dima Pasechnik ??crivait???: > > > > This forum is technical, not political! > > > > Technical decisions might easily have political consequences, you cannot > > just separate these ones. > > You are turning

Re: Prefer non-gender specific pronouns

2021-06-07 Thread Oğuz
7 Haziran 2021 Pazartesi tarihinde Dima Pasechnik yazdı: > > Where have you been taught to address a CS lecturer at Oxford University, > a PhD, who, age-wise, could have been your father, I suppose, with f-word? > There's more where that came from, but I'd rather keep them off this list. --

Re: Prefer non-gender specific pronouns

2021-06-07 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Mon, Jun 07, 2021 at 08:58:08PM +0300, O??uz wrote: > On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 1:52 PM Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jun 06, 2021 at 05:59:17PM +0200, L??a Gris wrote: > > > Le 06/06/2021 ?? 16:34, O??uz ??crivait???: > > > > > > > Then there is no need to change anything. > > yes, there

Re: [PATCH] Prefer non-gender specific pronouns

2021-06-07 Thread Léa Gris
Le 07/06/2021 à 14:25, Dima Pasechnik écrivait : This forum is technical, not political! Technical decisions might easily have political consequences, you cannot just separate these ones. You are turning it backward. This proposal is 100% political and 0% technical. The current patches

[PATCH] Avoid pronouns in documentation

2021-06-07 Thread Andrew Church
In the context of the recent discussion regarding the use of pronouns in the Bash documentation, here is an alternate patch which rewrites the relevant sentences to avoid altogether the use of pronouns to refer to an unspecified person. (Someone may have once said, "If all your answers are bad

Re: Prefer non-gender specific pronouns

2021-06-07 Thread Jesse Hathaway
On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 10:28 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > Out of these 5 choices, the one that seems to suck the *least*, according > to observed usage patterns in current written and spoken English, is > "they". I agree with Greg, *they* has become the dominant gender neutral pronoun in English. I

Re: Prefer non-gender specific pronouns

2021-06-07 Thread L A Walsh
On 2021/06/06 07:19, Alain D D Williams wrote: The important thing is that there is no intention to oppress/denigrate/... But it does _suggest_ that the default user is a male. or, speaking about historical use, that the default user was male. The problem comes when someone reads gendered

Re: Prefer non-gender specific pronouns

2021-06-07 Thread L A Walsh
On 2021/06/06 04:48, Léa Gris wrote: Le 06/06/2021 à 11:33, Ilkka Virta écrivait : In fact, that generic 'they' is so common and accepted, that you just used it yourself in the part I quoted above. Either you're acting in bad faith, or you're so confused by your gender-neutral delusion that

Re: Prefer non-gender specific pronouns

2021-06-07 Thread Chet Ramey
On 6/7/21 3:06 PM, Oğuz wrote: 7 Haziran 2021 Pazartesi tarihinde Dima Pasechnik yazdı: Where have you been taught to address a CS lecturer at Oxford University, a PhD, who, age-wise, could have been your father, I suppose, with f-word? There's more where that came from, but I'd rather

Re: Prefer non-gender specific pronouns

2021-06-07 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Sun, Jun 06, 2021 at 05:59:17PM +0200, L??a Gris wrote: > Le 06/06/2021 ?? 16:34, O??uz ??crivait???: > > > Then there is no need to change anything. yes, there is a pressing need. > > Exactly. > As a woman, I take no offense when a documentation illustrate a fictive male > character. (and