Re: [bug-gnulib] Re: coreutils-6.2: various runtime problems on Darwin-8.7.0 HFS+ (including attachment this time)
Hello Jim, Is there any type of file system where readdir works? Yes. It does work on vfat file systems. No readdir bug reproducible there. What version of Darwin are you using? Darwin 7.9.0 = MacOS X 10.3.9. I wrote: In the run test, you can use /bin/rm, since /bin/rm has the same bug as the one you are fixing for GNU rm. which is wrong. /bin/rm shares another bug with GNU rm. But the one we are currently discussing is only in GNU rm; /bin/rm is not affected. Bruno ___ Bug-coreutils mailing list Bug-coreutils@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-coreutils
Re: coreutils-6.2: various runtime problems on Darwin-8.7.0 HFS+ (including attachment this time)
Bruno Haible [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Jim, Is there any type of file system where readdir works? Yes. It does work on vfat file systems. No readdir bug reproducible there. Thanks for checking. What version of Darwin are you using? Darwin 7.9.0 = MacOS X 10.3.9. I wrote: In the run test, you can use /bin/rm, since /bin/rm has the same bug as the one you are fixing for GNU rm. which is wrong. That's ok. I already have a good test that checks readdir directly. /bin/rm shares another bug with GNU rm. But the one we are currently discussing is only in GNU rm; /bin/rm is not affected. You mean you've found *another* problem with GNU rm? Is so, please provide details. ___ Bug-coreutils mailing list Bug-coreutils@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-coreutils
Re: [bug-gnulib] Re: coreutils-6.2: various runtime problems on Darwin-8.7.0 HFS+ (including attachment this time)
Jim Meyering wrote: I'll use 180. The lower we go, the more of a performance penalty we impose for directories with very many entries. I tried the value 180. It worked fine in some cases, but still failed in others: $ tar xf /Volumes/ExtData/bin.x86-linux/cross/cross-hppa.tar.gz $ ll cross/hppa-linux/share/i18n/charmaps | wc -l 195 $ rm -r cross rm: Entfernen von Verzeichnis „cross/hppa-linux/share/i18n/charmaps“ nicht möglich: Directory not empty $ ll cross/hppa-linux/share/i18n/charmaps | wc -l 17 $ rm -r cross Actually the number of files that can be removed before stumbling on the bug depends on the length of the filenames. Here it a command that generates a table. First column: l, the length of an additional suffix tacked on every filename. Second column: n, the number of files that can be removed without hitting the bug. $ for l in `seq 0 200`; do suffix=`printf %${l}s | tr ' ' 'S'`; tar xf /Volumes/ExtData/bin.x86-linux/cross/cross-hppa.tar.gz; if test $l != 0; then (cd cross/hppa-linux/share/i18n/charmaps; for f in *; do mv $f $f$suffix; done ); fi; before=`ls -l cross/hppa-linux/share/i18n/charmaps | wc -l`; rm -rf cross 2/dev/null; after=`ls -l cross/hppa-linux/share/i18n/charmaps | wc -l`; removed=`expr $before - $after`; while ! rm -rf cross 2/dev/null ; do : ; done; printf '%3d %3d\n' $l $removed; done l n --- --- 0 178 1 174 2 170 3 156 4 152 5 150 6 148 7 138 8 135 9 134 10 131 11 122 12 120 13 119 14 117 15 109 16 108 17 107 18 105 19 99 20 97 21 96 22 95 23 90 24 88 25 87 26 86 27 82 28 115 29 80 30 79 31 76 32 75 33 74 34 73 35 70 36 69 37 69 38 67 39 66 40 65 41 64 42 63 43 61 44 60 45 60 46 59 47 58 48 57 49 57 50 56 51 55 52 54 53 54 54 53 55 52 56 51 57 51 58 50 59 49 60 49 61 48 62 48 63 47 64 46 65 46 66 46 67 45 68 44 69 44 70 43 71 43 72 85 73 42 74 42 75 41 76 41 77 40 78 40 79 39 80 39 81 39 82 38 83 38 84 38 85 37 86 37 87 36 88 36 89 36 90 36 91 35 92 35 93 35 94 35 95 34 96 34 97 34 98 68 99 33 100 33 101 33 102 32 103 32 104 32 105 32 106 31 107 31 108 31 109 31 110 30 111 30 112 30 113 30 114 30 115 29 116 29 117 29 118 29 119 28 120 28 121 28 122 28 123 28 124 27 125 27 126 27 127 27 128 27 129 27 130 26 131 26 132 26 133 26 134 26 135 25 136 25 137 25 138 25 139 25 140 25 141 25 142 24 143 24 144 24 145 24 146 24 147 24 148 23 149 23 150 23 151 23 152 23 153 23 154 23 155 22 156 22 157 22 158 22 159 22 160 22 161 22 162 22 163 22 164 21 165 21 166 21 167 21 168 21 169 21 170 21 171 21 172 21 173 20 174 20 175 20 176 20 177 20 178 20 179 20 180 20 181 20 182 20 183 19 184 19 185 19 186 19 187 19 188 19 189 19 190 19 191 19 192 19 193 19 194 19 195 18 196 18 197 18 198 18 199 18 200 18 The initial directory contents is: 3 files of length 5 4 files of length 6 3 files of length 7 6 files of length 8 64 files of length 9 10 files of length 10 8 files of length 11 21 files of length 12 18 files of length 13 13 files of length 14 9 files of length 15 12 files of length 16 6 files of length 17 1 files of length 18 6 files of length 19 5 files of length 20 1 file of length 21 2 files of length 22 1 file of length 23 1 file of length 26 --- N=194 files total, sum of lengths S = 2315 It does not require higher mathematics to see that n can essentially be expressed through the formula n = 78 / (S + l * 194 + 10 * 194) or n = 4020 / (S/N + l + 10) Recalling that S/N + l is the average length of a filename in the set, one can nearly guess that the readdir bug occurs usually after a single block of directory entries has been filled, where a block is a little less than 4096 bytes and a directory entry consists of the filename, 2 bytes of alignment and 8 bytes of data. Thus, instead of testing whether the number of directory entries since the last rewind() exceeds a fixed number, a better test is probably whether (total length of file names since last rewind() + 10 * number of directory entries since last rewind()) a fixed number such as 3000 Bruno ___ Bug-coreutils mailing list Bug-coreutils@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-coreutils
Re: coreutils-6.2: various runtime problems on Darwin-8.7.0 HFS+ (including attachment this time)
Bruno Haible [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Meyering wrote: I'll use 180. The lower we go, the more of a performance penalty we impose for directories with very many entries. I tried the value 180. It worked fine in some cases, but still failed in others: ... Thus, instead of testing whether the number of directory entries since the last rewind() exceeds a fixed number, a better test is probably whether (total length of file names since last rewind() + 10 * number of directory entries since last rewind()) a fixed number such as 3000 Thanks for the quick test and analysis! Considering all of that, I may just keep the code simple and make rm always do an extra rewind on Darwin. ___ Bug-coreutils mailing list Bug-coreutils@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-coreutils
Re: [bug-gnulib] Re: coreutils-6.2: various runtime problems on Darwin-8.7.0 HFS+ (including attachment this time)
Jim, Is there any type of file system where readdir works? I tried only HFS+ mounts (on two different volumes). What version of Darwin are you using? Darwin 7.9.0 = MacOS X 10.3.9. I see no failure with Darwin-8.7.0, so I might add a run-test (like coreutils' old readdir.m4), if it's likely to be independent of file system type. I will test and report for other file systems. In the run test, you can use /bin/rm, since /bin/rm has the same bug as the one you are fixing for GNU rm. Bruno ___ Bug-coreutils mailing list Bug-coreutils@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-coreutils
Re: coreutils-6.2: various runtime problems on Darwin-8.7.0 HFS+ (including attachment this time)
mwoehlke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Meyering wrote: mwoehlke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [let me see if gmane lets me reply to posts] gmane works great, it's the only way I read this list (and several others). :-) btw, thanks for the mails... I just built coreutils on Darwin also, and had a good number of 'make check' failures. I am also noticing that after making coreutils (and some other packages, I think bash was one), to remove the directory, I have to 'rm -rf coreutils-5.97' as many as four times before it fully goes away. Odd that just doing it several times in succession works, though. Now, *that* is interesting. Would you please see if you can reproduce that using an rm binary built from coreutils-6.2? I couldn't, when using an hfs partition on Darwin 8.7.0. The core of rm was seriously revamped between coreutils-5.97 and 6.0. I plan to, as soon as I get a chance. FYI this was on an NFS mount so there might be some weird interaction with the NFS driver... although I've built coreutils 5.97 on almost a dozen platforms and Darwin (both x86 and PowerPC as I recall) is the only OS that's given me problems. I was unable to reproduce that. Tried both NFS and hfs. If you can, please give details asap. I expect to release coreutils-6.3 very soon. It'd be particularly useful to know how many files it removes at each iteration. ___ Bug-coreutils mailing list Bug-coreutils@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-coreutils
Re: coreutils-6.2: various runtime problems on Darwin-8.7.0 HFS+ (including attachment this time)
mwoehlke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Did you try with 5.97? I haven't tried 6.2 yet (will try to do that No, since rm in that release is so different, and since I don't plan to make a 5.98 release. soon)... Um, actually, I am probably not going to try until someone can tell me how the *($ to test the exit code of 'make check' after I've piped it through 'tee' :-) - tips would be most welcome! Easiest test is on coreutils itself... $ uname -srvmpio Darwin 7.9.0 Darwin Kernel Version 7.9.0: Wed Mar 30 20:11:17 PST 2005; root:xnu/xnu-517.12.7.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc RackMac3,1 Darwin $ rm --version rm (GNU coreutils) 5.97 Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software. You may redistribute copies of it under the terms of the GNU General Public License http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html. There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Written by Paul Rubin, David MacKenzie, Richard Stallman, and Jim Meyering. $ ls coreutils-5.97 ls: coreutils-5.97: No such file or directory $ tar xzf coreutils-5.97.tar.gz $ find coreutils-5.97/ | wc -l 2788 $ rm -rf coreutils-5.97 rm: cannot remove directory `coreutils-5.97/m4': Directory not empty rm: cannot remove directory `coreutils-5.97/lib': Di0rectory not empty $ find coreutils-5.97/ | wc -l 173 $ rm -rf coreutils-5.97 $ find coreutils-5.97/ | wc -l find: coreutils-5.97/: No such file or directory 0 $ Thanks. That's probably all I needed. From those numbers and the number of files in lib and m4, I deduce that your system's readdir is mistakenly returning NULL when there are around 190 entries in a directory. Would you please try this, to confirm the theory: #!/bin/bash for i in $(seq 150 200); do echo i=$i mkdir b; (cd b; mkdir $(seq $i) ); Rm -r b || { echo bug at i=$i; break; } done That should find the minimum number of entries for which rm fails. Once you find that number, say 190, change the enum in your copy of coreutils' src/remove.c that looks like this: /* This is the maximum number of consecutive readdir/unlink calls that can be made (with no intervening rewinddir or closedir/opendir) before triggering a bug that makes readdir return NULL even though some directory entries have not been processed. The bug afflicts SunOS's readdir when applied to ufs file systems and Darwin 6.5's (and OSX v.10.3.8's) HFS+. This maximum is conservative in that demonstrating the problem seems to require a directory containing at least 254 deletable entries (which doesn't count . and ..), so we could conceivably increase the maximum value to 254. */ enum { CONSECUTIVE_READDIR_UNLINK_THRESHOLD = 200 }; to use the number that is one smaller than the one you found: CONSECUTIVE_READDIR_UNLINK_THRESHOLD = 189 Then recompile, and rm -r should work. Please let us know. ___ Bug-coreutils mailing list Bug-coreutils@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-coreutils
Re: coreutils-6.2: various runtime problems on Darwin-8.7.0 HFS+ (including attachment this time)
mwoehlke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $ uname -srvmpio Darwin 8.6.1 Darwin Kernel Version 8.6.1: Tue Mar 7 16:55:45 PST 2006; root:xnu-792.9.22.obj~1/RELEASE_I386 i386 i386 iMac4,1 Darwin Ah, but it's also a much newer Darwin... so... I'm working on building test output (including verbose) for the entire suite for Darwin PowerPC (the same machine I did the last test on). Ok, I have the 'check' output; it is 6 files (one master, five individual failed tests with VERBOSE=yes) and 43k. .tar.bz2'd it is 6k. Which form is preferred? Best is to make it available via the web and just post the URL. Failing that, send it to the list, and Cc me, in case the list software removes your attachment. Also 'pinky' and 'help-version' failed; I couldn't figure out how to run these by themselves and figured these two probably weren't as important as the rm, cp, mv, and chmod failures (and the fifth was du). Yes, running the help-version test all by itself is a little tricky: cd tests VERBOSE=yes make check TESTS=help-version SUBDIRS= ___ Bug-coreutils mailing list Bug-coreutils@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-coreutils
Re: coreutils-6.2: various runtime problems on Darwin-8.7.0 HFS+ (including attachment this time)
Jim Meyering wrote: mwoehlke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # using THRESHOLD = 150 $ tar xzf coreutils-6.3.tar.gz $ until /path-to-rm -rf coreutils-6.3 ; do : ; done # using THRESHOLD = 200 (default) $ tar xzf coreutils-6.3.tar.gz $ until /path-to-rm -rf coreutils-6.3 ; do : ; done /path-to-rm: cannot remove directory `coreutils-6.3/m4': Directory not empty /path-to-rm: cannot remove directory `coreutils-6.3/lib': Directory not empty ...so that is definitely the problem. Trying a few more values, I see: 150 - works 200 - broken 175 - works 190 - broken (but only in m4, not lib) 185 - works 188 - broken (same as 190) 187 - works Honestly, I would probably go with 160-ish to be safe. :-) Thanks. I'll use 180. The lower we go, the more of a performance penalty we impose for directories with very many entries. Already, in implementing remove.c that way, I've compromised (however slightly) how GNU rm works in general, for the sake of working reliably even on such broken file systems. Have you considered making this conditional to broken Darwin versions? :-) Anyway, just caught the check-in too, thanks. -- Matthew Download. Untar. Configure. Make. Install. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. ___ Bug-coreutils mailing list Bug-coreutils@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-coreutils
Re: coreutils-6.2: various runtime problems on Darwin-8.7.0 HFS+ (including attachment this time)
mwoehlke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you considered making this conditional to broken Darwin versions? :-) Yes. For a long time, there was an autoconf-run-test to determine the limit, but that is insufficient, since it's hard to test all file systems that are available at build time, and impossible to know what new systems will end up being used. And it's not Darwin-specific. Hmm.. but the only other system listed in comments is SunOS, which is essentially dead, these days. Though I seem to recall there being at least one other. But maybe I should do that, after all, along with adding a make check test to detect any new disfunctional systems. But not right now :) And maybe never. First, I'll profile to see if it's even worth considering. ___ Bug-coreutils mailing list Bug-coreutils@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-coreutils
Re: now getting a build error with coreutils-cvs (Re: coreutils-6.2: various runtime problems on Darwin-8.7.0 HFS+ (including attachment this time))
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2006-09-26 17:04:24 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 2006-09-25 17:25:01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I will pull coreutils and gnulib from CVS also and report back. Okay I got a fresh clean copy of coreutils+gnulib, ran ./bootstrap, complained only a tiny bit about the hu language (smth about 2 or more suffixes for this language? I didn't save the output), but otherwise a good run. (Some months ago I did get autoconf-2.60 installed into both /usr and /usr/local [never know which is going to be used ;) ].) [snip] In case of dups, I checked to see the newer m4's are in /usr/local/share/aclocal, others are in /usr/share/aclocal, and I always do this in the build environment: export ACLOCAL_FLAGS='-I /usr/local/share/aclocal -I /usr/share/aclocal' That sounds risky. I wouldn't. You might easily end up using an incompatible .m4 file. That can lead to subtle and hard-to-diagnose failures. ___ Bug-coreutils mailing list Bug-coreutils@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-coreutils
here's my latest make check log on Darwin (Re: now getting a build error with coreutils-cvs (Re: coreutils-6.2: various runtime problems on Darwin-8.7.0 HFS+ (including attachment this time)))
(Unison won't let me attach a file to a message, nor will it let an upload come with a message, too lazy to switch to Thoth right now ;) so I'll do this via e-mail) I cvs update'd within the last half-hour. Builds seem to go fine. I ran make -k check with all the RUN*TESTS enabled I could dig-up. Attached should be a file named 'cucvs_makecheck.log.bz2' which is the tee'd capture from the check. I think these failures are 100% explainable on Darwin. Also, the filesystem bugs causing the long ls and other problems seem successfully bypassed now. So I feel we're very close for release. I'll do a make install and use it for real for a while. :) Thank you. cucvs_makecheck.log.bz2 Description: BZip2 compressed data ___ Bug-coreutils mailing list Bug-coreutils@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-coreutils
coreutils-6.2: various runtime problems on Darwin-8.7.0 HFS+
Hi, I am new to this list, but not at all new to building and using open source projects. (Please CC me if needed as I haven't yet joined this list. Or I think I can access and post via news.gmane.org with regular newsreaders.) I built coreutils-6.2 on Darwin-8.7.0 (Tiger 10.4.7 and the latest XCode-2.4). I actually have installed coreutils-5.97 to compare with. 5.97 seems to work fine, but 6.2 seems to have many things wrong. Most notably the new 'ls' in 6.2 is acting very very strange. We get double listings in 'long' mode of every file, with exactly the first set saying No such file or directory, including the dot-dirs. The second set lists each file/dir as expected. I am attaching a sample to show you what I mean here. Please find the archive named 'coreutils-6.2-bugs.tar.bz2'. It should expand to create these files: -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1957313 Sep 25 00:43 config.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 31244 Sep 25 00:43 config_consolelog.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 root admin 29725 Sep 25 00:51 ls_whoops_consolelog.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 67706 Sep 25 00:45 make_consolelog.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 55908 Sep 25 00:49 makecheck_consolelog.txt The 'ls_whoops_consolelog.txt' will show you what I mean about the ls bug in 6.2. While I'm at it, I ran 'make check' and tee'd its output into 'makecheck_consolelog.txt'. A number of tests failed. The 'config_consolelog.txt' is a tee'd capture of the './configure' run. I also include the original 'config.log' as written. Please note there seems to be a few more bugs here, too, such as some header file locations are printed with leading triple-slashes (no problem on Darwin here, just a thing to note). The 'make_consolelog.txt' is a tee'd capture of the 'make all'. This gen was made with unset env xxFLAGS totally, so defaults should've been plugged in. I believe I tried the 6.1 a while back and had to scrap it, too, with too many problems. Since these are unstable, I will stay with 5.97 until/unless you-all have something you'd like me to try. I'm obviously quite worried about releasing this code to Darwin users, so I thought I better do a bit of hollarin' here. ;) Oh the filesystem is all HFS+ with 'large' disks (200GB to 300GB). The boot-vol is case-sensitive, while the build-vol is not (for compatibility with older Macs). Again 5.97 built and installed fine with this same set-up. Let me know if I can help further. Thank you. Concerned about your privacy? Instantly send FREE secure email, no account required http://www.hushmail.com/send?l=480 Get the best prices on SSL certificates from Hushmail https://www.hushssl.com?l=485 ___ Bug-coreutils mailing list Bug-coreutils@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-coreutils
Re: coreutils-6.2: various runtime problems on Darwin-8.7.0 HFS+ (including attachment this time)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to this list, but not at all new to building and using open source projects. (Please CC me if needed as I haven't yet joined this list. Or I think I can access and post via news.gmane.org with regular newsreaders.) I built coreutils-6.2 on Darwin-8.7.0 (Tiger 10.4.7 and the latest XCode-2.4). I actually have installed coreutils-5.97 to compare with. 5.97 seems to work fine, but 6.2 seems to have many things wrong. Most notably the new 'ls' in 6.2 is acting very very strange. We get double listings in 'long' mode of every file, with exactly the first set saying No such file or directory, including the dot-dirs. The second set lists each file/dir as expected. I am attaching a sample to show you what I mean here. Please find the archive named 'coreutils-6.2-bugs.tar.bz2'. It should expand to create these files: -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1957313 Sep 25 00:43 config.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 31244 Sep 25 00:43 config_consolelog.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 root admin 29725 Sep 25 00:51 ls_whoops_consolelog.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 67706 Sep 25 00:45 make_consolelog.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 55908 Sep 25 00:49 makecheck_consolelog.txt Thank you for the complete bug report! I'm obviously quite worried about releasing this code to Darwin users, so I thought I better do a bit of hollarin' here. ;) You're right to be cautious. The problems involving ls, cp, and install are all due to the fact that Darwin's acl_get_file function (used in coreutils' lib/acl.c) is not behaving as advertised: it's returning NULL and setting errno to ENOENT for a file that *does* exist. However, the man page says it does that only for files that do not exist. When a function like that reports a failure, coreutils programs report it and exit nonzero, and that's why you're seeing so many diagnostics and test failures. Using the very latest version from coreutils and gnulib, when I turn off ACL support altogether (comment out the USE_ACL definition in lib/config.h), all of the tests pass except tests/dd/misc. That failure appears to be due to another Darwin-specific bug: The open flag, O_NOFOLLOW is defined, yet open doesn't honor the semantics we've come to expect for that flag. That makes the test of dd's new iflag=nofollow option fail. The only mitigating factor is that O_NOFOLLOW is not yet documented in their open man page: the definition may have slipped into their system headers before library support was completed. Unfortunately, O_NOFOLLOW (when present) is an important key to avoiding certain types of race conditions. Defining the symbol yet letting open ignore it is *bad*. Here's a small program to demonstrate the bug. Run the command in the comment. If it prints bug, then your system's open function is buggy. $ cat o_nofollow.c /* rm -f s f; cc o_nofollow.c { touch f; ln -s f s; ./a.out || echo bug; } */ # define _GNU_SOURCE 1 #include sys/types.h #include sys/stat.h #include fcntl.h int main () { int fd = open (s, O_RDONLY|O_NOFOLLOW); return 0 fd; } However, the good news is that this led me to discover a bug in gnulib's test for just this type of brokenness. Its fcntl_h module tests for a nonfunctional O_NOFOLLOW, but the test had a typo. I've just checked in a fix for that. So now, all tests now pass, using the very latest, and with the hack to disable ACL support. I suppose we'll need an added run-test to detect the acl_get_file brokenness. ___ Bug-coreutils mailing list Bug-coreutils@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-coreutils
Re: coreutils-6.2: various runtime problems on Darwin-8.7.0 HFS+ (including attachment this time)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [let me see if gmane lets me reply to posts] gmane works great, it's the only way I read this list (and several others). :-) btw, thanks for the mails... I just built coreutils on Darwin also, and had a good number of 'make check' failures. I am also noticing that after making coreutils (and some other packages, I think bash was one), to remove the directory, I have to 'rm -rf coreutils-5.97' as many as four times before it fully goes away. Odd that just doing it several times in succession works, though. -- Matthew KDE: Desktop Excellence ___ Bug-coreutils mailing list Bug-coreutils@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-coreutils