> * Bruno Haible [2019-06-25 19:11:03 +0200]:
>
>> $ find . -name \*alloc\*.o
>> ./lib/allocator.o
>> ./src/alloc.o
>
> Oh, this is surprising.
aha!
I re-run gnulib-tool and it fixed it.
(alas, emacs maintainers pushed the changes before me ;-)
thanks and sorry
> * Bruno Haible [2019-06-25 17:00:58 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> I get this error when linking Emacs:
>>
>> --8<---cut here---start->8---
>> CCLD temacs
>> Undefined symbols for archit
g/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2019-06/msg01229.html)
Since this involves libgnu, I was wondering if someone here might have
an insight.
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On Darwin (Mac OS) the gt_NO_CXX test fails because "Is g++" is not a
valid repetition-operator operand.
The attached patch fixes the problem.
>From d5d949b838c7cf4adb0e6e615795003ac7b0f1c3 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Sam Steingold <s...@gnu.org>
Date: Tue, 5 Dec
gllib/fnmatch.c:313:28: error: assigning to 'wchar_t *' from
incompatible type 'void *'
wpattern = malloc (totsize * sizeof (wchar_t));
^ ~~~
16 errors generated.
make[3]: *** [fnmatch.o] Error 1
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_GL_INCLUDING_WINSOCK2_H is
undef'ed and so _GL_UNISTD_H is __NOT__ defined thus I get
.../modules/rawsock/rawsock.c:691:3: warning: implicit declaration of function
`close_used_without_including_unistd_h'
why?
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the immediate cause appears to be that I include unistd.h after some
other headers (specifically,
#include alloca.h
this code bloat into clisp so far,
but if it does provide a clear advantage of handling cygwin symlinks on
pure win32 builds, I will reconsider.
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* Eric Blake roy...@erqung.pbz [2011-08-23 08:03:02 -0600]:
On 08/23/2011 07:56 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:
Let me reiterate that the size of canonicalize is plain absurd:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnulib/2011-05/msg00143.html.
150+ files to implement a single function which takes
* Eric Blake roy...@erqung.pbz [2011-08-23 08:46:00 -0600]:
On 08/23/2011 08:41 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:
* Eric Blakeroy...@erqung.pbz [2011-08-23 08:03:02 -0600]:
On 08/23/2011 07:56 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:
Let me reiterate that the size of canonicalize is plain absurd:
https
* Eric Blake roy...@erqung.pbz [2011-08-23 10:35:52 -0600]:
On 08/23/2011 10:28 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:
Does Hurd have SYMLOOP_MAX? If so, then yes, that would be a reasonable
change. If not, then how do you propose implementing canonicalize on
Hurd, without imposing a limit not already
* Eric Blake roy...@erqung.pbz [2011-08-23 11:47:57 -0600]:
On 08/23/2011 11:31 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:
Maybe we should rename the canonicalize module to instead be
canonicalize_filename_mode, since it does _not_ provide canonicalize()
(well, canonicalize_filename_mode(file, CAN_EXISTING
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Bruno Haible br...@clisp.org wrote:
Sam, if 'canonicalize' gets this support, would you be willing to use
'canonicalize' instead of 'canonicalize-lgpl' in clisp?
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-Cygwin applications don't understand Cygwin symlinks either.
Emacs understands the cygdrive pathnames and I am sure it will
appreciate an opportunity to understand symlinks as well.
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CYGWIN_NT-5.2-WOW64 sds 1.7.9(0.237/5/3) 2011-03-29 10:10 i686 Cygwin
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why is tolower replaced on linux?
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* Bruno Haible oe...@pyvfc.bet [2011-07-30 02:20:08 +0200]:
Sam Steingold wrote:
clisp directory structure is:
clisp - top level; hand-written configure script (ask Bruno)
clisp/src - most sources, configure.in, configure, aclocal.m4
clisp/src/gllib, clisp/src/glm4 - imported from gnulib
* Eric Blake roy...@erqung.pbz [2011-08-01 09:00:07 -0600]:
On 08/01/2011 08:56 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:
why is tolower replaced on linux?
Did you mean towlower rather than tolower?
towlower, sorry
What does config.log say?
configure:29272: checking whether towlower is declared
configure
the reason I cannot do -I$(srcdir)/gllib is clear: it will not catch
uninames.h cjk.h.
on the other hand, it does not look like streq.h, uninames.h and cjk.h
are included in any clisp sources (only in gnulib).
so, I guess TRT is to remove the linking and add -I$(srcdir)/gllib to CPPFLAGS..
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echo ' cd $(top_srcdir) $(AUTOMAKE) --gnits gllib/Makefile'; \
how come?!
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must be
$(am__cd) $(top_srcdir)/src \
how do I effect that?
* Sam Steingold f...@tah.bet [2011-07-29 14:16:46 -0400]:
clisp directory structure is:
clisp - top level; hand-written configure script (ask Bruno)
clisp/src - most sources, configure.in, configure, aclocal.m4
clisp/src
* Paolo Bonzini obam...@tah.bet [2011-07-28 12:15:38 +0200]:
On 07/27/2011 05:11 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:
When the included regex is used I must prepend -I$(srcdir)/gllib to
CPPFLAGS to ensure that the gnulib regex.h is included in the sources.
(when this is not the case, I_must_ not do
for that and redirect the future bug reports
(if any) to you. Thanks. :-)
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Hi,
Make in gllib creates libgnu.a but not libgnu.so (or libgnu.dll).
How do I create the shared library?
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Hi Bruno,
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Bruno Haible br...@clisp.org wrote:
For alignof, whether you want to use gnulib's alignof.h depends on what you
need - the necessary alignment and the optimal alignment.
so, what does clisp need?
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and if it is not, I must not).
what if regex IS used but xeger is NOT?
I propose that regex.h is replaced with regex.in.h just like
fnmatch.in.h (which has no @@ either). This would solve the problem
without any action from the users of gnulib.
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* Sam Steingold f...@tah.bet [2011-05-17 14:11:54 -0400]:
it appears that neither canonicalize nor canonicalize-lgpl support win32
shortcuts (either used directly or as used by cygwin).
it would be nice if they did - then we would be able to use
canonicalize-lgpl in clisp.
now clisp uses
-mingw-g/gllib/../../src/gllib/sendto.c:36:
undefined reference to `__imp__sendto@24'
so, how do I create a dll which refers to the gnulib functionality?
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HAVE_RAW_DECL_IOCTL 1
#define HAVE_SYS_IOCTL_H 1
/* #undef IOCTL_ARGUMENT_T */
#define IOCTL_DOTS /**/
#define IOCTL_REQUEST_T unsigned long
#define NEED_SYS_IOCTL_H /**/
#define WINSIZE_NEED_SYS_IOCTL_H /**/
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* Bruno Haible oe...@pyvfc.bet [2011-07-22 00:18:04 +0200]:
-extern DIR *fdopendir (int);
+extern
+# ifdef __cplusplus
+C
+# endif
+DIR *fdopendir (int);
that's pretty awful.
maybe there is a way to use the m4 magic to avoid replacing 1 line with 5?
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* Sam Steingold f...@tah.bet [2011-07-14 17:57:10 -0400]:
* Bruno Haible oe...@pyvfc.bet [2011-07-14 23:18:41 +0200]:
Sam Steingold asked:
Does clisp need to know whether LC_MESSAGES is supported by the system,
or is a fake one defined by libintl or gnulib.
...
No, this is not needed
Hi,
./config.log:REPLACE_STRERROR_R='1'
why do I see this on
Linux 2.6.18-238.9.1.el5
gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20080704
glibc-2.5-58.el5_6.3
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_GL_SYS_SOCKET_H
# if !(defined __cplusplus defined GNULIB_NAMESPACE)
#undef socket
#define socket socket_used_without_including_sys_socket_h
so I must include sys/socket before unistd, otherwise socket (and many
others) will not work.
so, what is the right order?
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* Eric Blake roy...@erqung.pbz [2011-07-14 07:43:40 -0600]:
On 07/14/2011 07:37 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:
Hi,
in what order do I include sys/socket and unistd?
sys_socket.in.h:
#if @HAVE_WINSOCK2_H@ !defined _GL_UNISTD_H
# if !(defined __cplusplus defined GNULIB_NAMESPACE)
# undef close
* Bruno Haible oe...@pyvfc.bet [2011-07-14 23:18:41 +0200]:
Sam Steingold asked:
Does clisp need to know whether LC_MESSAGES is supported by the system,
or is a fake one defined by libintl or gnulib.
...
No, this is not needed: gettext's libintl.h already defines LC_MESSAGES
when
(LC_MESSAGES,);
#endif
??
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* Bruno Haible oe...@pyvfc.bet [2011-07-13 21:12:49 +0200]:
Sam Steingold wrote:
What's the point of HAVE_LC_MESSAGES?
The point is to tell whether LC_MESSAGES is supported by the system,
or is a fake one defined by libintl or gnulib.
does clisp need to know the difference
* Bruno Haible oe...@pyvfc.bet [2011-07-13 22:44:49 +0200]:
Sam Steingold wrote:
does clisp need to know the difference?
This #if or #ifdef is outdated. The gettext manual [1] explains why.
[1] http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/Triggering.html
The gettext manual
strerror, of course; this is merely an
_addition_.
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What
of errno.
Question to Sam: Are you willing to contribute such a module to gnulib
(and maintain it)?
Absolutely not. The whole point of my request is that I will be
maintaining _less_ code, not more.
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right, to interact with an ssh client, perl needs to do be able
to do number theoretical computer algebra system.
Can you believe it?!
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that the packages reimplements an ssh client rather
than being an interface to an existing external one, in which case pari
would obviously be not necessary.
incidentally, I was not able to get it working on either Cygwin of
CentOS, using either pre-supplied package managers or cpan.
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Hi,
I updated gnulib and found that it now wants to add these files to
CLISP:
src/gllib/glthread/lock.c
src/gllib/glthread/lock.h
src/gllib/glthread/threadlib.c
src/gllib/strerror-impl.h
src/gllib/strerror_r.c
src/glm4/strerror_r.m4
I did not import any new modules.
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* Eric Blake roy...@erqung.pbz [2011-05-24 10:18:05 -0600]:
On 05/24/2011 10:12 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:
I updated gnulib and found that it now wants to add these files to
CLISP:
src/gllib/glthread/lock.c
src/gllib/glthread/lock.h
src/gllib/glthread/threadlib.c
src/gllib/strerror-impl.h
* Eric Blake roy...@erqung.pbz [2011-05-24 10:21:16 -0600]:
On 05/24/2011 10:18 AM, Eric Blake wrote:
On 05/24/2011 10:12 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:
I updated gnulib and found that it now wants to add these files to
CLISP:
src/gllib/glthread/lock.c
src/gllib/glthread/lock.h
src/gllib
* Eric Blake roy...@erqung.pbz [2011-05-24 10:32:16 -0600]:
I do _not_ want strerror_r.
Why not?
because I copy away the strerror return value right away.
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(without Gnulib) is to define a macro
like this:
-
what does this mean?
I need to use this macro if I am not using Gnulib?
I need to define the macro even if I am using Gnulib?
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* Paul Eggert rtt...@pf.hpyn.rqh [2011-05-03 13:52:21 -0700]:
On 05/03/11 13:26, Sam Steingold wrote:
note that some pipelines appear to succeed before the hanging:
Yes. If it is a kernel bug, quite possibly it's timing-dependent,
and I wouldn't be surprised if it's not that common.
isn't
* Eric Blake roy...@erqung.pbz [2011-05-24 11:37:40 -0600]:
On 05/24/2011 11:26 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:
How do I find out where a module is documented?
E.g., when I discovered the getloadavg module, I had to do
find gnulib/ -name getload\*
to find gnulib/doc/glibc-functions/getloadavg.texi
: return Operation now in progress;
case EALREADY: return Operation already in progress;
...
}
}
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goes for system-supplied strerror - is it ever used?)
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why getloadavg should.
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sys_uio.in.h includes sys/types.h without #ifdef HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H.
can this file be assumed to be present on all platforms including mingw?
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check for portability.
I am confused (as usual, alas...)
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is there such a thing as a platform without socket support?
if yes, how do I detect that after I call gl_SOCKETLIB?
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malloc.h
#define alloca _alloca
#endif
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/raw-file/363f5b952505/src/w32shell.c
which works like a charm for us.
it would be wonderful if we could shift the burden of maintaining it to you.
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stat canonicalize-lgpl
nocrash libsigsegv gnu-make gettimeofday getpagesize sys_time sys_wait
mktime strftime strptime strverscmp uname strerror fnmatch-gnu
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DIUC that if I include the sys_time unistd modules, I can write
#include unistd.h
#include sys/time.h
instead of
#ifdef HAVE_SYS_TIME_H
#include sys/time.h
#endif
#ifdef HAVE_UNISTD_H
#include unistd.h
#endif
??
the same question for all the other headers...
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* Eric Blake roy...@erqung.pbz [2011-05-16 13:55:31 -0600]:
On 05/16/2011 01:51 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:
I am getting this error:
On which platform?
CentOS release 5.6 (Final)
Linux 2.6.18-164.el5 #1 SMP Thu Sep 3 03:28:30 EDT 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
GNU/Linux
sorry about not including
* Eric Blake roy...@erqung.pbz [2011-05-16 13:56:46 -0600]:
On 05/16/2011 01:53 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:
DIUC that if I include the sys_time unistd modules, I can write
#include unistd.h
#include sys/time.h
instead of
#ifdef HAVE_SYS_TIME_H
#include sys/time.h
#endif
#ifdef
config.h?
yes, thanks, fixed.
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-files accept a list of directories?
(it would be 'src modules' for me)
why is $(srcdir)/lib/ hard-coded? I use gllib instead of lib.
when I managed to get it running, I got
warnings about HAVE_ALLOCA_H in ChangeLog, aclocal.m4, and configure.
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char*a=char*a=%c%s%c;main(){printf(a,34,a,34);};main(){printf(a,34,a,34);}
skip other files
from the maint.mk syntax checks.
from the way VC_LIST_ALWAYS_EXCLUDE_REGEX is used, this appears to be TRT:
VC_LIST_ALWAYS_EXCLUDE_REGEX = ChangeLog|configure|config.in.h|aclocal.m4
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does importing the environ module mean that I can remove this:
#if !HAVE_DECL_ENVIRON
extern_C char** environ;
#endif
from my sources and assume that environ is properly declared in unistd?
also, how can I come up with the answer to this question myself without
bothering you?
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* Eric Blake roy...@erqung.pbz [2011-05-16 15:57:43 -0600]:
On 05/16/2011 03:56 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:
from the way VC_LIST_ALWAYS_EXCLUDE_REGEX is used, this appears to be TRT:
VC_LIST_ALWAYS_EXCLUDE_REGEX = ChangeLog|configure|config.in.h|aclocal.m4
| outside () is different than
/src/pathname.d almost takes about 160 lines of C code).
People, this is ridiculous.
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.1: lisp.run: fatal: relocation error:
file /.../dynmod/lib-wildcard.so: symbol rpl_mbsrtowcs:
referenced symbol not found
I am passing CFLAGS et al to the gnulib compilation, so -fPIC -DPIC
should have been used.
Bruno, do you have any insight on the matter?
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unistd.h-t unistd.h
make[1]: *** [unistd.h] Interrupt
when I split the pipe of 3 seds into 3 separate invocations with
intermediate files, it works just fine (but hangs in the next sed chain)
adding SHELL = /bin/bash to the Makefile did nto change anything.
whan do I do now?
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file. */
-#undef HAVE_STDDEF_H
-
/* Define to 1 if you have the stdint.h header file. */
#undef HAVE_STDINT_H
what happenned? are we assuming that all platforms now have these files?
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* Eric Blake roy...@erqung.pbz [2011-05-03 16:03:16 -0600]:
On 05/03/2011 03:52 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:
when I regenerate config.h with the current gnulib, I get:
@@ -871,12 +979,6 @@
/* `struct sockaddr_un' from sys/un.h has a `sun_len' field */
#undef HAVE_SOCKADDR_UN_LEN
to add there.
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* Sam Steingold f...@tah.bet [2011-03-24 10:45:47 -0400]:
I am trying to update gnulib in clisp and clisp no longer compiles:
In file included from ../../src/gllib/close-hook.c:23:
./stdlib.h:611: error: expected ')' before 'int'
./stdlib.h:729: error: expected ')' before 'int'
In file
All of a sudden (after the 27-Sep-10 sync with gnulib) I am getting this error
when compiling gllib in the regexp clisp module on mingw and cygwin:
gcc -mno-cygwin -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I/.../current/modules/regexp/gllib -I..
-I/.../top/include -I/.../current/build-mingw-g-7/gllib
some platforms have malloc implementations with extra features like
randomizations, and some applications cannot handle those features.
thus emacs (and clisp) come with gmalloc.c by Mike Haertel.
It would be nice if it were offered by gnulib, so that I won't have to have my
own special login to
).
does this as recommended mean that you are now more amenable to
accepting my patch?
http://clisp.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/clisp/clisp/gnulib-tool.patch?view=log
I think the problem you encountered is not specific to clisp, therefore I'm
applying approach a).
thanks.
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this part of my configure.in:
==
AC_FUNC_CHOWN
gl_FUNC_MKTIME
gl_FUNC_GNU_STRFTIME
gl_FUNC_STRPTIME
gl_TIME_MODULE_INDICATOR([strptime])
gl_GETDATE
gl_FUNC_STRVERSCMP
gl_STRING_MODULE_INDICATOR([strverscmp])
gl_FUNC_UNAME
gl_SYS_UTSNAME_MODULE_INDICATOR([uname])
/bin/bash /home/sds/src/clisp/current/build-g//build-aux/ylwrap
/home/sds/src/clisp/current/modules/syscalls/gllib/getdate.y \
y.tab.c getdate.c \
y.tab.h getdate.h \
y.output
getdate: never supplied by the system.
HUH???!!!
$ nm /lib/libc.so.6 | grep getdate
00085620 t __getdate_r
00085b70 T getdate
00157334 B getdate_err
00085620 W getdate_r
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relaxed way, and use bison.m4 instead.
this is another gnulib bug: it should have detected bad YACC at
configure time and failed then.
the bottom line is:
gnulib has no business requiring YACC on linux
gnulib has no business replacing glibc functions on linux
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On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Eric Blake ebl...@redhat.com wrote:
On 09/29/2010 09:34 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:
this part of my configure.in:
You haven't switched to configure.ac yet?
http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC :-)
AC_FUNC_CHOWN
gl_FUNC_MKTIME
gl_FUNC_GNU_STRFTIME
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Eric Blake ebl...@redhat.com wrote:
On 09/29/2010 11:25 AM, Eric Blake wrote:
On 09/29/2010 10:50 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:
getdate: never supplied by the system.
Gnulib and glibc getdate are not synced. There are extensions and bug
fixes in gnulib's getdate
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Paul Eggert egg...@cs.ucla.edu wrote:
Renaming the module to get_date would avoid
confusion like Sam's in the future. Presumably
getdate.h would be renamed to get_date.h as well.
yes, please do!
thanks for your explanations!
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On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Eric Blake ebl...@redhat.com wrote:
On 09/29/2010 12:10 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:
Had I realised this earlier, I would not have pulled the getdate
module from gnulib.
now I have to revert my changes...
Which application are you trying to use this in?
GNU
does this mean that on memory allocation failure in getdate clisp will exit?
this is no good.
Bruno Haible wrote:
I am now getting
undefined reference to
`_gethostname_used_without_requesting_gnulib_module_gethostname'
This indicates that you have included gnulib unistd.h, are using
gethostname(),
and have not asked for the gnulib module 'gethostname'.
- If you want to use a POSIX
The only problem which gethostname module fixes is:
On mingw, this function has a prototype that differs from that
specified by POSIX, and it is defined only in the ws2_32 library.
why does it have such extensive dependencies? (sockets! errno!)
I have to reiterate my complaint that the gnulib
Bruno Haible wrote:
AH_TOP([/* CPU and C ABI indicator */
#ifndef __i386__
#undef __i386__
#endif
#ifndef __x86_64__
#undef __x86_64__
#endif
#ifndef __alpha__
#undef __alpha__
#endif
#ifndef __arm__
#undef __arm__
#endif
#ifndef __armel__
#undef __armel__
#endif
#ifndef __hppa__
#undef
Hi,
I want to include sockets.m4 and nothing else (I need LIBSOCKET to replace
clisp/src/m4/socket.m4).
Is it possible to add a module which would only include that one file?
thanks
Sam.
the stability. :-)
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Bruno Haible wrote:
Compared to the code that you proposed:
- I changed the name, of course.
- I chose to use AC_CACHE_CHECK once for the result of the entire macro, not
for each AC_EGREP_CPP inside it.
- I dropped Convex CPUs; these are dead for more than 10 years.
- I added an
Hi Bruno,
On 8/31/10, Bruno Haible br...@clisp.org wrote:
It apparently depends for whom the code should be readable.
since you will be maintaining the code, it is your choice.
So, except for code style, you are fine with that proposed module?
yes.
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? Please refer to
http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Copyright-Papers
I think I have already contributed and thus you should already have
all the papers.
PS. I do not see the new module under git.
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so, what's the verdict?
Sam Steingold wrote:
The already existing AC_CANONICAL_HOST is insufficient in that it does
not detect the actual cpu instruction set to which the C compiler compiles.
E.g., it is quite common that uname -m prints sparc64 while gcc
compile 32-bit binaries by default
The already existing AC_CANONICAL_HOST is insufficient in that it does not
detect the actual cpu instruction set to which the C compiler compiles.
E.g., it is quite common that uname -m prints sparc64 while gcc compile
32-bit binaries by default.
It would be nice if gnulib offered a module
Hello Ralf,
On 7/21/10, Ralf Wildenhues ralf.wildenh...@gmx.de wrote:
* Sam Steingold wrote on Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 05:08:02PM CEST:
The already existing AC_CANONICAL_HOST is insufficient in that it
does not detect the actual cpu instruction set to which the C
compiler compiles
Hi,
some gnulib modules (e.g., gnulib/m4/libunistring-base.m4) have facilities for
comparing version numbers, e.g., 1.5.22 with 2.2.8.
it would be nice if there were a module (say, version-compare) which would
export such a facility.
e.g., @VERSION_COMPARE@ would expand to
version_compare() {
On 6/17/10, Eric Blake ebl...@redhat.com wrote:
On 06/17/2010 11:33 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:
some gnulib modules (e.g., gnulib/m4/libunistring-base.m4) have
facilities for comparing version numbers, e.g., 1.5.22 with 2.2.8.
it would be nice if there were a module (say, version-compare
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