bug#38358: Subject prefix, true recipient...
El 25/11/19 a les 20:33, Mark H Weaver ha escrit: > Narcis Garcia via GNUzilla bug reports wrote: > >> El 25/11/19 a les 18:36, Mark H Weaver ha escrit: >>> * I clicked the popup menu of headers to filter on, and down at the >>> bottom of the list I see "Customize...". Choosing it summons the >>> Customize Headers window. I typed "List-id" in the text box and >>> clicked "Add", and then "OK" to dismiss the Customize Headers window. >>> >>> * "List-id" is now an item within the popup menu of headers to filter >>> on. >>> >>> Does this work for you? >> >> No, it doesn't. > > Well, that might be a bug in Thunderbird, unless you made a mistake. > Did you include ":" in the custom header name? It should _not_ be > included. > > I'm sorry, but I'm reluctant to change every Subject header on this > mailing list in order to work around a bug in your mail program. Among > other things, inserting "[bug-gnuzilla] " in addition to "bug#x: " > would leave very little space in the subject header to describe what's > being discussed. I often find it difficult to fit the relevant > information within a subject header as it is. [gnuz] >> Even worse: replies like yours (not arriving me through list mailer >> because of CC recipient) are impossible to filter with any distinction >> about gnuzilla. > > Well, that's entirely my fault. The mailing list had rewritten your > From header to be "Narcis Garcia via GNUzilla bug reports > ", and I manually replaced it with your actual > email address. I won't do that again. > >> List administrators did become crazy to attend DKIM requirements. If >> DMARC and SPF is used, DKIM doesn't enhance mail at all and list mailers >> can edit subjects and put footers. > > It's been a while since I looked at this, and I've likely forgotten some > important details, but it seems to me that we had little choice in the > matter. > > The fact is, some prominent GNU developers use DMARC and DKIM for their > personal domains, and some of them feel strongly about it. Before the > recent changes to GNU mailing lists, when these developers would send > mail to a GNU mailing list, the changes made to their emails by mailman > would break the DKIM signatures, and many recipients subscribed to the > mailing list would reject the emails as spam. This had the effect of > causing mail delivery to those recipients to be disabled, and moreover > harmed the reputation of GNU.org as a mail sender. That's how I > remember it, anyway. > > It would be one thing if DMARC or DKIM violated some important ethical > considerations that made them worth launching a campaign to fight > against, but as far as I can see they are reasonable approaches to > reduce spam, and in a way that doesn't require very sophisticated > heuristic filtering. I think that's a good thing, because it makes it > much more practical to run an independent mail server. > > What do you think? Practical to run should include Practical to use, and this new policy around is moving most people to web forums (with labeled subjects, status indicators, context, footers and help...). Structured mind is better represented in a structured and signaled conversation. Chaotic mind is better deployed in a chat thread. (sorry for my bad english)
bug#38358: Subject prefix, true recipient...
El 25/11/19 a les 18:36, Mark H Weaver ha escrit: > Hi Narcis, > > Narcis Garcia wrote: >> El 24/11/19 a les 19:05, Jason Self ha escrit: >>> Mailman does add the List-id header, indicating >>> >>> List-id: GNUzilla bug reports >>> >>> Which should make it possible for your mail program to do whatever one >>> wants with such messages. >>> >> >> I've tried by headers already, and it seems not possible with, for >> example, Mozilla Thunderbird (custom header does not work in a filter rule). > > Are you certain of this? I did a web search found a description of how > to filter on custom headers for mail accounts in Thunderbird. I tried > it on a friend's instance of Thunderbird. These are the steps I > followed: > > * From the app menu I chose the "Message Filters" menu item, which > summoned the Message Filters window. > > * I clicked the "New..." button, which summoned the Filter Rules window. > > * I clicked the popup menu of headers to filter on, and down at the > bottom of the list I see "Customize...". Choosing it summons the > Customize Headers window. I typed "List-id" in the text box and > clicked "Add", and then "OK" to dismiss the Customize Headers window. > > * "List-id" is now an item within the popup menu of headers to filter > on. > > Does this work for you? No, it doesn't. Even worse: replies like yours (not arriving me through list mailer because of CC recipient) are impossible to filter with any distinction about gnuzilla. List administrators did become crazy to attend DKIM requirements. If DMARC and SPF is used, DKIM doesn't enhance mail at all and list mailers can edit subjects and put footers. Best regards.
bug#38358: Subject prefix, true recipient...
El 25/11/19 a les 15:27, Michael Albinus ha escrit: > Narcis Garcia writes: > > Hi, > Add some visible sign to these mails to distinguish that them come by bug-gnuzilla. >>> >>> Please see >>> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnuzilla/2019-10/msg6.html >>> >>> Mailman does add the List-id header, indicating >>> >>> List-id: GNUzilla bug reports >>> >>> Which should make it possible for your mail program to do whatever one >>> wants with such messages. >>> >> >> I've tried by headers already, and it seems not possible with, for >> example, Mozilla Thunderbird (custom header does not work in a filter rule). >> >> Please list administrators: >> Add some VISIBLE sign to these mails to distinguish that them come >> by bug-gnuzilla. >> 38...@debbugs.gnu.org as recipient is not a true recipient and it's a >> problem to realize WHY am I receiving some concrete letter. > > I cannot speak for the bug-gnuzilla ML. But your bug reports pass the > debbugs.gnu.org server, which adds the bug number "bug#38358". This > subject prefix shall suffice your request. > > Best regards, Michael. > I was responding to another bug report letter, not created by me. I just pressed to [Reply list] for a report by Chris Marusich, and adapted subject title. Something like a static "gnuzilla" or "icecat" would suffice my request. I can't create one mail filter for each bug number, and "debbugs.gnu.org" also cover other scopes. + Where is a mail footer to know where and how are published my replies?! I want to check if my mail address is marked enough in internet.
bug#38358: Subject prefix, true recipient...
El 24/11/19 a les 19:05, Jason Self ha escrit: > On Sun, 2019-11-24 at 11:34 +0100, Narcis Garcia via GNUzilla bug > reports wrote: >> Please list administrators: >> Add some visible sign to these mails to distinguish that them come >> by bug-gnuzilla. > > Please see > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnuzilla/2019-10/msg6.html > > Mailman does add the List-id header, indicating > > List-id: GNUzilla bug reports > > Which should make it possible for your mail program to do whatever one > wants with such messages. > I've tried by headers already, and it seems not possible with, for example, Mozilla Thunderbird (custom header does not work in a filter rule). Please list administrators: Add some VISIBLE sign to these mails to distinguish that them come by bug-gnuzilla. 38...@debbugs.gnu.org as recipient is not a true recipient and it's a problem to realize WHY am I receiving some concrete letter.
bug#38358: Subject prefix, true recipient...
Please list administrators: Add some visible sign to these mails to distinguish that them come by bug-gnuzilla. El 23/11/19 a les 17:10, Jack Hill ha escrit: > On Fri, 22 Nov 2019, Chris Marusich wrote: > >> Chris Marusich writes: >> I have successfully built IceCat using the Guix preview source (guix >> build -S icecat) on a foreign GNU/Linux distro. Things I noticed: >> >> - When IceCat 68 is built from source on this foreign distro (without >> using any software from Guix to do the build), the built IceCat 68 >> works. The "Unknown U2F Error" does not occur. This means that the >> system is configured correctly to allow me to use my security token, >> and IceCat is built correctly to use it. >> >> - However, on the same foreign distro, when I install IceCat 68 from >> Guix, it doesn't work. I get an "Unknown U2F Error". >> >> - Reminder: Firefox also works on this foreign distro. The "Unknown U2F >> Error" does not occur. > > Great work. What dependencies did you have to provide on the non-Guix > system? > > […] >> If anyone has any advice about how to determine what code is actually >> emitting the "Unknown U2F Error", that would really help me narrow >> down the possibilities quite a bit. > > I don't know if this will be helpful, but as I understand webauthn, > browsers provide a new JavaScript API for interacting with security > tokens. I suspect that the error is being generated some code the > browser calls a JavaScript program it has loaded calls that API. The > text may not be in the IceCat source, but presented by the JavaScript > program in response to and error in its API call. I was thinking, but > haven't had the time, to set up my own webauthn-using app, so I can > control the JavaScript. > > That's my best guess at least, but it could be wrong, so don't let me > lead you astray :) > > Best, > Jack
