Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCatMobile is recognized as desktop browser

[Mart Rootamm]

> How does M.Firefox deal with the "Request Desktop Site" switch?

I recall, that Firefox simply removes the 'Mobile' part of the string
from the referrer when requesting a desktop site. That does not have
an immediate effect when browsing Wikipedia, at which point I'd still
have to request a desktop site from a link on Wikipedia.

-M.

2016-04-21 21:48 GMT +03:00, Narcis Garcia :
> How does M.Firefox deal with the "Request Desktop Site" switch?
> If Icecat has 1 UA string hard-coded, could be 2 UA strings prepared for
> each circumstance?
>
>
> El 21/04/16 a les 15:36, Mart Rootamm ha escrit:
>> I think the 'Request Desktop Site' menuitem won't work, because the
>> default user agent string does not contain the word 'mobile', and by
>> default, it contains a string for non-free software.
>>
>> I know, it's supposed to be the most common string to reduce UA
>> fingerprinting, but eventually, it will be out of date and relatively
>> easy to distinguish.
>>
>> -M.
>>
>> 2016-04-20 15:51 GMT+03:00 Narcis Garcia > >:
>>
>> To follow thread with right subject:
>>
>> I see a "Request Desktop Site" option at main menu, but it doesn't
>> seem
>> to have effect.
>> User Agent may need to only add or remove "Mobile" word when user uses
>> "Request Desktop Site" option. And this option could be enabled by
>> default.
>>
>>
>> El 20/04/16 a les 14:44, Mart Rootamm ha escrit:
>> > I understand what you mean. I got word from the same list about
>> IceCat
>> > not including its own UA string and using the most common UA string
>> as
>> > default, that —
>> >
>> >> That's intentional, and you're subverting a measure designed to
>> protect
>> >> your privacy by "fixing" this. Using the same user agent string as
>> >> Firefox reduces your fingerprint.
>> > [—as written by a seasoned specialist in these things.]
>> >
>> > Better to only keep the Firefox string, as IceCat is based on
>> Firefox,
>> > and Ff market share is very small. To avoid site breakage, most
>> would
>> > choose Firefox, while IceCat is for the privacy-conscious.
>> >
>> > -M.
>> >
>> >
>> > 2016-04-20 5:51 GMT+03:00 Pirate Praveen > 
>> > >>:
>> >
>> > Its not just about me. Don't you think its important to include
>> by
>> > default? Do you want every user to follow these steps so
>> > IceCatMobile is recognized as a mobile browser?
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2016, ഏപ്രിൽ 20 4:25:22 AM IST, Mart Rootamm
>> > 
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> > In about:config, go to
>> >
>> > general.useragent.override
>> >
>> > • There, tap on the setting, then long-tap to copy the
>> parameter
>> > name and value, and back these up in a text editor to some
>> text
>> > file (for future reference).
>> >
>> > • I use a UA string similar to this:
>> >
>> > Mozilla/5.0 (Android 4.4; Mobile; rv:38.0) Gecko/38.0
>> > Firefox/38.0 IceCat/38.7.1
>> >
>> > This is essentially the default Firefox UA string for
>> version
>> > 38.0, with IceCat/38.7.1 appended to it.
>> >
>> > In Android versions below 4.4, Firefox for mobile uses
>> 'Android
>> > 4.4' as the general OS identifier; from Android 4.4 and up,
>> > Firefox uses the actual Android version number. More here:
>> >
>> >
>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Gecko_user_agent_string_reference
>> >
>> > -M.
>> >
>> > 29.03.2016 16:30 kirjutas kuupäeval "Pirate Praveen"
>> > 
>> >>:
>> >
>> > I know IceCat blocks browser based fingerprinting but I
>> > think IceCatMobile should identify itself as a mobile
>> > browser even if other identifying information are
>> > suppressed. gitlab.com 
>>  was showing its
>> > desktop version making it difficult to use.
>> >
>> > 38.6.0 from fdroid.
>> > --
>> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> >
>>
>> --
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCatMobile is recognized as desktop browser

[David Hedlund]

IceCatMobile 52.4.1 (F-Droid build) identifies itself as a mobile version.


On 2016-03-29 11:19, Pirate Praveen wrote:
I know IceCat blocks browser based fingerprinting but I think 
IceCatMobile should identify itself as a mobile browser even if other 
identifying information are suppressed. gitlab.com  
was showing its desktop version making it difficult to use.


38.6.0 from fdroid.


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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCatMobile is recognized as desktop browser

[Narcis Garcia]

How does M.Firefox deal with the "Request Desktop Site" switch?
If Icecat has 1 UA string hard-coded, could be 2 UA strings prepared for
each circumstance?


El 21/04/16 a les 15:36, Mart Rootamm ha escrit:
> I think the 'Request Desktop Site' menuitem won't work, because the
> default user agent string does not contain the word 'mobile', and by
> default, it contains a string for non-free software.
> 
> I know, it's supposed to be the most common string to reduce UA
> fingerprinting, but eventually, it will be out of date and relatively
> easy to distinguish.
> 
> -M.
> 
> 2016-04-20 15:51 GMT+03:00 Narcis Garcia  >:
> 
> To follow thread with right subject:
> 
> I see a "Request Desktop Site" option at main menu, but it doesn't seem
> to have effect.
> User Agent may need to only add or remove "Mobile" word when user uses
> "Request Desktop Site" option. And this option could be enabled by
> default.
> 
> 
> El 20/04/16 a les 14:44, Mart Rootamm ha escrit:
> > I understand what you mean. I got word from the same list about IceCat
> > not including its own UA string and using the most common UA string as
> > default, that —
> >
> >> That's intentional, and you're subverting a measure designed to protect
> >> your privacy by "fixing" this. Using the same user agent string as
> >> Firefox reduces your fingerprint.
> > [—as written by a seasoned specialist in these things.]
> >
> > Better to only keep the Firefox string, as IceCat is based on Firefox,
> > and Ff market share is very small. To avoid site breakage, most would
> > choose Firefox, while IceCat is for the privacy-conscious.
> >
> > -M.
> >
> >
> > 2016-04-20 5:51 GMT+03:00 Pirate Praveen  
> > >>:
> >
> > Its not just about me. Don't you think its important to include by
> > default? Do you want every user to follow these steps so
> > IceCatMobile is recognized as a mobile browser?
> >
> >
> > On 2016, ഏപ്രിൽ 20 4:25:22 AM IST, Mart Rootamm
> > 
> >> wrote:
> >
> > In about:config, go to
> >
> > general.useragent.override
> >
> > • There, tap on the setting, then long-tap to copy the parameter
> > name and value, and back these up in a text editor to some text
> > file (for future reference).
> >
> > • I use a UA string similar to this:
> >
> > Mozilla/5.0 (Android 4.4; Mobile; rv:38.0) Gecko/38.0
> > Firefox/38.0 IceCat/38.7.1
> >
> > This is essentially the default Firefox UA string for version
> > 38.0, with IceCat/38.7.1 appended to it.
> >
> > In Android versions below 4.4, Firefox for mobile uses 'Android
> > 4.4' as the general OS identifier; from Android 4.4 and up,
> > Firefox uses the actual Android version number. More here:
> >
> > 
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Gecko_user_agent_string_reference
> >
> > -M.
> >
> > 29.03.2016 16:30 kirjutas kuupäeval "Pirate Praveen"
> > 
> >>:
> >
> > I know IceCat blocks browser based fingerprinting but I
> > think IceCatMobile should identify itself as a mobile
> > browser even if other identifying information are
> > suppressed. gitlab.com 
>  was showing its
> > desktop version making it difficult to use.
> >
> > 38.6.0 from fdroid.
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCatMobile is recognized as desktop browser

[Mart Rootamm]

I think the 'Request Desktop Site' menuitem won't work, because the default
user agent string does not contain the word 'mobile', and by default, it
contains a string for non-free software.

I know, it's supposed to be the most common string to reduce UA
fingerprinting, but eventually, it will be out of date and relatively easy
to distinguish.

-M.

2016-04-20 15:51 GMT+03:00 Narcis Garcia :

> To follow thread with right subject:
>
> I see a "Request Desktop Site" option at main menu, but it doesn't seem
> to have effect.
> User Agent may need to only add or remove "Mobile" word when user uses
> "Request Desktop Site" option. And this option could be enabled by default.
>
>
> El 20/04/16 a les 14:44, Mart Rootamm ha escrit:
> > I understand what you mean. I got word from the same list about IceCat
> > not including its own UA string and using the most common UA string as
> > default, that —
> >
> >> That's intentional, and you're subverting a measure designed to protect
> >> your privacy by "fixing" this. Using the same user agent string as
> >> Firefox reduces your fingerprint.
> > [—as written by a seasoned specialist in these things.]
> >
> > Better to only keep the Firefox string, as IceCat is based on Firefox,
> > and Ff market share is very small. To avoid site breakage, most would
> > choose Firefox, while IceCat is for the privacy-conscious.
> >
> > -M.
> >
> >
> > 2016-04-20 5:51 GMT+03:00 Pirate Praveen  > >:
> >
> > Its not just about me. Don't you think its important to include by
> > default? Do you want every user to follow these steps so
> > IceCatMobile is recognized as a mobile browser?
> >
> >
> > On 2016, ഏപ്രിൽ 20 4:25:22 AM IST, Mart Rootamm
> > > wrote:
> >
> > In about:config, go to
> >
> > general.useragent.override
> >
> > • There, tap on the setting, then long-tap to copy the parameter
> > name and value, and back these up in a text editor to some text
> > file (for future reference).
> >
> > • I use a UA string similar to this:
> >
> > Mozilla/5.0 (Android 4.4; Mobile; rv:38.0) Gecko/38.0
> > Firefox/38.0 IceCat/38.7.1
> >
> > This is essentially the default Firefox UA string for version
> > 38.0, with IceCat/38.7.1 appended to it.
> >
> > In Android versions below 4.4, Firefox for mobile uses 'Android
> > 4.4' as the general OS identifier; from Android 4.4 and up,
> > Firefox uses the actual Android version number. More here:
> >
> >
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Gecko_user_agent_string_reference
> >
> > -M.
> >
> > 29.03.2016 16:30 kirjutas kuupäeval "Pirate Praveen"
> > >:
> >
> > I know IceCat blocks browser based fingerprinting but I
> > think IceCatMobile should identify itself as a mobile
> > browser even if other identifying information are
> > suppressed. gitlab.com  was showing its
> > desktop version making it difficult to use.
> >
> > 38.6.0 from fdroid.
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> >
>
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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCatMobile is recognized as desktop browser

[Narcis Garcia]

To follow thread with right subject:

I see a "Request Desktop Site" option at main menu, but it doesn't seem
to have effect.
User Agent may need to only add or remove "Mobile" word when user uses
"Request Desktop Site" option. And this option could be enabled by default.


El 20/04/16 a les 14:44, Mart Rootamm ha escrit:
> I understand what you mean. I got word from the same list about IceCat
> not including its own UA string and using the most common UA string as
> default, that —
> 
>> That's intentional, and you're subverting a measure designed to protect
>> your privacy by "fixing" this. Using the same user agent string as
>> Firefox reduces your fingerprint.
> [—as written by a seasoned specialist in these things.]
> 
> Better to only keep the Firefox string, as IceCat is based on Firefox,
> and Ff market share is very small. To avoid site breakage, most would
> choose Firefox, while IceCat is for the privacy-conscious.
> 
> -M.
> 
> 
> 2016-04-20 5:51 GMT+03:00 Pirate Praveen  >:
> 
> Its not just about me. Don't you think its important to include by
> default? Do you want every user to follow these steps so
> IceCatMobile is recognized as a mobile browser?
> 
> 
> On 2016, ഏപ്രിൽ 20 4:25:22 AM IST, Mart Rootamm
> > wrote:
> 
> In about:config, go to
> 
> general.useragent.override
> 
> • There, tap on the setting, then long-tap to copy the parameter
> name and value, and back these up in a text editor to some text
> file (for future reference).
> 
> • I use a UA string similar to this:
> 
> Mozilla/5.0 (Android 4.4; Mobile; rv:38.0) Gecko/38.0
> Firefox/38.0 IceCat/38.7.1
> 
> This is essentially the default Firefox UA string for version
> 38.0, with IceCat/38.7.1 appended to it.
> 
> In Android versions below 4.4, Firefox for mobile uses 'Android
> 4.4' as the general OS identifier; from Android 4.4 and up,
> Firefox uses the actual Android version number. More here:
> 
> 
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Gecko_user_agent_string_reference
> 
> -M.
> 
> 29.03.2016 16:30 kirjutas kuupäeval "Pirate Praveen"
> >:
> 
> I know IceCat blocks browser based fingerprinting but I
> think IceCatMobile should identify itself as a mobile
> browser even if other identifying information are
> suppressed. gitlab.com  was showing its
> desktop version making it difficult to use.
> 
> 38.6.0 from fdroid.
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Bug-gnuzilla] IceCatMobile is recognized as desktop browser

[Pirate Praveen]

I know IceCat blocks browser based fingerprinting but I think IceCatMobile 
should identify itself as a mobile browser even if other identifying 
information are suppressed. gitlab.com was showing its desktop version making 
it difficult to use.

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