Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
You an now click on "Votes" and add your vote(s) on https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?49607 On 2016-09-27 04:51, mdn wrote: I don't understand what's the problems with cookies options. To understand my POV I'll explain what's my experience. I understood the problems with cookies since 2003/2004. So in that time each time I used a browser I deleted all info in it. Never had trouble navigating and I didn't refuse any thing (wasn't aware enough) In 2007 I began to use the firefox and I used the automated functions to deleted what I did before manually. I still accepted everything (still wasn't aware enough) Now I just accept cookies but only for the website in use (no third parties) and everything is still deleted. I don't have trouble with ebay, since ebay save the basket on their servers same thing with a lot of other services, amazon for example (if account). Plus µblock origin, umatrix, https everywhere, and random agent spoofer. I just have problems with some banks because some of them use 3rd party cookies and it's obligatory (wtf). Something that would be useful is a container for cookies (or more). Each container opened can only have access to it's own container. In "Nightly" they introduced "containers tabs" it's seems that these container can do the functions that I have talked about but when I look at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Contextual_Identity_Project/Containers The big problem of the actual container is that you can't make your own personalised containers. Also one function by default that could be good in icecat is to put the "Portable document Format (PDF)" in the application menu in the preferences, under the "always ask" action. Good night. Le 24/09/2016 09:04, Narcis Garcia a écrit : The only fault I see in Cookie Monster is the lack of an "About" option to see version & license. Cookie Monster is oriented in the best way I believe: the 3rd party and the domains&subdomains. Cookies are not simply cookies: the bad ones are set from different origins than user has asked to visit. eBay, Amazon, AliExpress and maybe others should change their security policies (security for visitor) and allow responsible users to use their services. El 24/09/16 a les 01:16, David Hedlund ha escrit: David, have you tried "Cookie Monster", or any other similar add-on? This is my conclusion regarding cookie add-ons that I evaluated in https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Free_Software_Directory:IceCat_extensions_(proposed) * I use Self-destructing cookies as recommended in the link mentioned in the first post of this thread. * Privacy Badger is useful to reject untrusted cookies, keep in mind that this add-on still is in alpha stage. * Cookie Monster (CM) rejects 3rd-party cookies by default so you have to whitelist a lot of domains using CDN domains with CM. This applies to all the big sites like eBay, Amazon, and AliExpress. This take to much work for me as there are no editable whitelist like in Self-destructing cookies. The developer of CM have a copy of this email though. -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
agreed 100% -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 23. Sep 2016 13:51 by d...@runbox.com: > AFTER fixing the security bugs to make IceCat SAFE TO USE AT ALL. > > -- > > -Dan Q > > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 19:37:07 +0200, Narcis Garcia <> informat...@actiu.net> > > wrote: > >> >> GNUzilla should assume abandoned responsibility by Mozilla with the users. >> > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
Do you see the agenda here? we are being attacked by shills. this is why there is suddenly so much (politics) here. they do not approve of GNU icecat. just like ((they) do not approve of GMO labeling, or laws that protect the second amendment, or anything that upholds the freedoms of this crumbling country. why was a hero like edward snowden hunted like an animal? ask yourself who benefits from the failure of GNU icecat. ask yourself why system-d was created and forced into ALL linux out of nowhere for no reason, just as people switched over to run from windows 10, soylent green edition? -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 23. Sep 2016 13:21 by m...@netris.org: > "Daniel Quintiliani" <> d...@runbox.com> > writes: > >> Why is everyone so opposed to an addon for something that nobody uses? >> I can't imagine anyone clicking 20 dialog boxes per each loaded banner >> ad. So opposed to using an addon that they are unwilling to update >> serious security problems in software? >> >> All I know is that all of this politics is aggravating me and I have >> not used IceCat in months for my own personal safety. I not only have >> Linux but Windows to worry about so having security is more important >> than whether something should be farmed out to an already existing >> addon or included in the browser. IceCat can be a great alternative as >> it's pro-privacy and anti-DRM. All our arguing has delayed an IceCat >> release for too long and we will not be taken seriously as a free >> browser if we keep arguing about cookies until Firefox 60.0 ESR is >> released. > > Except for the part about politics, I fully agree with Daniel. I care > about cookies as well, but the built-in "ask me every time" option was > never satisfactory, because it involves asking the user far too many > questions. > > The only satisfactory solution I've found for cookies involve add-ons. > I've been using "Cookie Monster", which works well enough that I've not > tried any others. GNU IceCat already depends on add-ons for critically > important functionality (e.g. avoiding non-free Javascript), so why not > rely on add-ons for cookies? > > Regardless of your opinion on that, asking the IceCat maintainer to make > additional non-trivial changes to upstream Firefox, when he's obviously > too over-burdened with his existing workload, is counter-productive. > Perhaps you do not understand how much work would be involved. > > David, have you tried "Cookie Monster", or any other similar add-on? > > Mark > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
Hey, I am on this list because I am sympathetic with IceCat, tried it several times years ago und found it slim and easy to use. Since then I mostly migrated from firefox(-esr) to TorBrowser. Am Fri, 23 Sep 2016 19:37:07 +0200 schrieb Narcis Garcia : > "something that nobody uses" > -> Your statistics source? I have no statistics, but a (provocative) question: Why should I use IceCat instead of TorBrowser? Features like suppressing the HTTP_Referrer header I would not like to miss. Does IceCat keep up with TorBrowser development to support these privacy features? IceCat does not appear in the BrowserPrivacy Scorecard[1]. What would IceCat's rating be? Best, kardan [1] https://riseup.net/en/security/network-security/better-web-browsing/browser-score-card -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
I don't understand what's the problems with cookies options. To understand my POV I'll explain what's my experience. I understood the problems with cookies since 2003/2004. So in that time each time I used a browser I deleted all info in it. Never had trouble navigating and I didn't refuse any thing (wasn't aware enough) In 2007 I began to use the firefox and I used the automated functions to deleted what I did before manually. I still accepted everything (still wasn't aware enough) Now I just accept cookies but only for the website in use (no third parties) and everything is still deleted. I don't have trouble with ebay, since ebay save the basket on their servers same thing with a lot of other services, amazon for example (if account). Plus µblock origin, umatrix, https everywhere, and random agent spoofer. I just have problems with some banks because some of them use 3rd party cookies and it's obligatory (wtf). Something that would be useful is a container for cookies (or more). Each container opened can only have access to it's own container. In "Nightly" they introduced "containers tabs" it's seems that these container can do the functions that I have talked about but when I look at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Contextual_Identity_Project/Containers The big problem of the actual container is that you can't make your own personalised containers. Also one function by default that could be good in icecat is to put the "Portable document Format (PDF)" in the application menu in the preferences, under the "always ask" action. Good night. Le 24/09/2016 09:04, Narcis Garcia a écrit : > The only fault I see in Cookie Monster is the lack of an "About" option > to see version & license. > > Cookie Monster is oriented in the best way I believe: the 3rd party and > the domains&subdomains. > Cookies are not simply cookies: the bad ones are set from different > origins than user has asked to visit. > > eBay, Amazon, AliExpress and maybe others should change their security > policies (security for visitor) and allow responsible users to use their > services. > > > El 24/09/16 a les 01:16, David Hedlund ha escrit: >>> David, have you tried "Cookie Monster", or any other similar add-on? >> >> This is my conclusion regarding cookie add-ons that I evaluated in >> https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Free_Software_Directory:IceCat_extensions_(proposed) >> >> >> * I use Self-destructing cookies as recommended in the link mentioned in >> the first post of this thread. >> * Privacy Badger is useful to reject untrusted cookies, keep in mind >> that this add-on still is in alpha stage. >> * Cookie Monster (CM) rejects 3rd-party cookies by default so you have >> to whitelist a lot of domains using CDN domains with CM. This applies to >> all the big sites like eBay, Amazon, and AliExpress. This take to much >> work for me as there are no editable whitelist like in Self-destructing >> cookies. The developer of CM have a copy of this email though. >> >> >> -- >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org > -- Note: veuillez s'il vous plaît utiliser GnuPg pour nos futures conversations https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/fr/ Plus d'info ici: http://www.bibmath.net/crypto/index.php?action=affiche&quoi=moderne/pgp Message envoyé avec GNU Icedove un fork de Thunderbird https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Icedove signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
The only fault I see in Cookie Monster is the lack of an "About" option to see version & license. Cookie Monster is oriented in the best way I believe: the 3rd party and the domains&subdomains. Cookies are not simply cookies: the bad ones are set from different origins than user has asked to visit. eBay, Amazon, AliExpress and maybe others should change their security policies (security for visitor) and allow responsible users to use their services. El 24/09/16 a les 01:16, David Hedlund ha escrit: >> David, have you tried "Cookie Monster", or any other similar add-on? > > This is my conclusion regarding cookie add-ons that I evaluated in > https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Free_Software_Directory:IceCat_extensions_(proposed) > > > * I use Self-destructing cookies as recommended in the link mentioned in > the first post of this thread. > * Privacy Badger is useful to reject untrusted cookies, keep in mind > that this add-on still is in alpha stage. > * Cookie Monster (CM) rejects 3rd-party cookies by default so you have > to whitelist a lot of domains using CDN domains with CM. This applies to > all the big sites like eBay, Amazon, and AliExpress. This take to much > work for me as there are no editable whitelist like in Self-destructing > cookies. The developer of CM have a copy of this email though. > > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
How I handle it: Accept cookies, accept third-party cookies, clear cookies when you close the browser. -- -Dan Q On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 01:22:46 +0200, David Hedlund wrote: > >Cookie Monster (CM) rejects 3rd-party cookies by default so you have > to whitelist a lot of domains using CDN domains with CM. This applies to > all the big sites like eBay, Amazon, and AliExpress. This take to much > work for me as there are no editable whitelist like in Self-destructing > cookies. The developer of CM have a copy of this email though. > > I was wrong, there are whitelist for CM but still you need to whitelist > a lot of 3rd-party CDN domains. > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
>Cookie Monster (CM) rejects 3rd-party cookies by default so you have to whitelist a lot of domains using CDN domains with CM. This applies to all the big sites like eBay, Amazon, and AliExpress. This take to much work for me as there are no editable whitelist like in Self-destructing cookies. The developer of CM have a copy of this email though. I was wrong, there are whitelist for CM but still you need to whitelist a lot of 3rd-party CDN domains. -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
> David, have you tried "Cookie Monster", or any other similar add-on? This is my conclusion regarding cookie add-ons that I evaluated in https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Free_Software_Directory:IceCat_extensions_(proposed) * I use Self-destructing cookies as recommended in the link mentioned in the first post of this thread. * Privacy Badger is useful to reject untrusted cookies, keep in mind that this add-on still is in alpha stage. * Cookie Monster (CM) rejects 3rd-party cookies by default so you have to whitelist a lot of domains using CDN domains with CM. This applies to all the big sites like eBay, Amazon, and AliExpress. This take to much work for me as there are no editable whitelist like in Self-destructing cookies. The developer of CM have a copy of this email though. -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
AFTER fixing the security bugs to make IceCat SAFE TO USE AT ALL. -- -Dan Q On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 19:37:07 +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote: > > GNUzilla should assume abandoned responsibility by Mozilla with the users. > -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
"something that nobody uses" -> Your statistics source? Mozilla removal of "cookies askings" is inspired on legal obligation for websites about asking every visitor. Mozilla shifts its responsibility to websites, and allows websites to fulfill their way in a more or less suitable interaction with the user. Near all websites that advertise the cookies question are sending cookies BEFORE visitor accepts or rejects the question. Plus: much websites aren't asking visitor; they are informing about cookies acceptance with your visit. Plus+: Trackers embedded in websites aren't making any asking. GNUzilla should assume abandoned responsibility by Mozilla with the users. On 23/09/16 18:25, Daniel Quintiliani wrote: > Why is everyone so opposed to an addon for something that nobody uses? I > can't imagine anyone clicking 20 dialog boxes per each loaded banner ad. So > opposed to using an addon that they are unwilling to update serious security > problems in software? > > All I know is that all of this politics is aggravating me and I have not used > IceCat in months for my own personal safety. I not only have Linux but > Windows to worry about so having security is more important than whether > something should be farmed out to an already existing addon or included in > the browser. IceCat can be a great alternative as it's pro-privacy and > anti-DRM. All our arguing has delayed an IceCat release for too long and we > will not be taken seriously as a free browser if we keep arguing about > cookies until Firefox 60.0 ESR is released. > > -- > > -Dan Q > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 03:12:22 +0200, David Hedlund wrote: > >> From https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1118394 >> >> hi, the ask anytime option for cookies was removed in firefox 44, which >> was supposed to happen for a long time (bug 606655). >> >> i would recommend the following setup instead: in the custom history >> options choose "keep until i close firefox" as a default option & set >> exceptions for the few sites where you want stay logged-in across >> sessions. this way you'll have less work to do over all and a >> privacy-minded setup after all. >> >> or as an alternative you could also take a look at an extension like >> https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/self-destructing-cookies/ >> >> >> Lots of people complain about this. Consider to keep the code for >> cookies "ask me every time" from Firefox 43 for IceCat 45. >> >> >> -- >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org > > > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org > -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
"Daniel Quintiliani" writes: > Why is everyone so opposed to an addon for something that nobody uses? > I can't imagine anyone clicking 20 dialog boxes per each loaded banner > ad. So opposed to using an addon that they are unwilling to update > serious security problems in software? > > All I know is that all of this politics is aggravating me and I have > not used IceCat in months for my own personal safety. I not only have > Linux but Windows to worry about so having security is more important > than whether something should be farmed out to an already existing > addon or included in the browser. IceCat can be a great alternative as > it's pro-privacy and anti-DRM. All our arguing has delayed an IceCat > release for too long and we will not be taken seriously as a free > browser if we keep arguing about cookies until Firefox 60.0 ESR is > released. Except for the part about politics, I fully agree with Daniel. I care about cookies as well, but the built-in "ask me every time" option was never satisfactory, because it involves asking the user far too many questions. The only satisfactory solution I've found for cookies involve add-ons. I've been using "Cookie Monster", which works well enough that I've not tried any others. GNU IceCat already depends on add-ons for critically important functionality (e.g. avoiding non-free Javascript), so why not rely on add-ons for cookies? Regardless of your opinion on that, asking the IceCat maintainer to make additional non-trivial changes to upstream Firefox, when he's obviously too over-burdened with his existing workload, is counter-productive. Perhaps you do not understand how much work would be involved. David, have you tried "Cookie Monster", or any other similar add-on? Mark -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
Why is everyone so opposed to an addon for something that nobody uses? I can't imagine anyone clicking 20 dialog boxes per each loaded banner ad. So opposed to using an addon that they are unwilling to update serious security problems in software? All I know is that all of this politics is aggravating me and I have not used IceCat in months for my own personal safety. I not only have Linux but Windows to worry about so having security is more important than whether something should be farmed out to an already existing addon or included in the browser. IceCat can be a great alternative as it's pro-privacy and anti-DRM. All our arguing has delayed an IceCat release for too long and we will not be taken seriously as a free browser if we keep arguing about cookies until Firefox 60.0 ESR is released. -- -Dan Q On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 03:12:22 +0200, David Hedlund wrote: > From https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1118394 > > hi, the ask anytime option for cookies was removed in firefox 44, which > was supposed to happen for a long time (bug 606655). > > i would recommend the following setup instead: in the custom history > options choose "keep until i close firefox" as a default option & set > exceptions for the few sites where you want stay logged-in across > sessions. this way you'll have less work to do over all and a > privacy-minded setup after all. > > or as an alternative you could also take a look at an extension like > https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/self-destructing-cookies/ > > > Lots of people complain about this. Consider to keep the code for > cookies "ask me every time" from Firefox 43 for IceCat 45. > > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
David Hedlund wrote: > Consider to keep the code for cookies "ask me every time" from Firefox 43 > for IceCat 45. Concur. This is a must-have feature, and one that should not have been removed in the first place. If that functionality is kept in IceCat 45, then there would certainly be more IceCat users. -M. 2016-09-23 4:12 GMT+03:00 David Hedlund : > From https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1118394 > > hi, the ask anytime option for cookies was removed in firefox 44, which > was supposed to happen for a long time (bug 606655). > > i would recommend the following setup instead: in the custom history > options choose "keep until i close firefox" as a default option & set > exceptions for the few sites where you want stay logged-in across sessions. > this way you'll have less work to do over all and a privacy-minded setup > after all. > > or as an alternative you could also take a look at an extension like > https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/self-destructing-cookies/ > > > Lots of people complain about this. Consider to keep the code for cookies > "ask me every time" from Firefox 43 for IceCat 45. > > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org > -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
+1 El 23/09/16 a les 03:12, David Hedlund ha escrit: > From https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1118394 > > hi, the ask anytime option for cookies was removed in firefox 44, which > was supposed to happen for a long time (bug 606655). > > i would recommend the following setup instead: in the custom history > options choose "keep until i close firefox" as a default option & set > exceptions for the few sites where you want stay logged-in across > sessions. this way you'll have less work to do over all and a > privacy-minded setup after all. > > or as an alternative you could also take a look at an extension like > https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/self-destructing-cookies/ > > > Lots of people complain about this. Consider to keep the code for > cookies "ask me every time" from Firefox 43 for IceCat 45. > > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
[Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
From https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1118394 hi, the ask anytime option for cookies was removed in firefox 44, which was supposed to happen for a long time (bug 606655). i would recommend the following setup instead: in the custom history options choose "keep until i close firefox" as a default option & set exceptions for the few sites where you want stay logged-in across sessions. this way you'll have less work to do over all and a privacy-minded setup after all. or as an alternative you could also take a look at an extension like https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/self-destructing-cookies/ Lots of people complain about this. Consider to keep the code for cookies "ask me every time" from Firefox 43 for IceCat 45. -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
