Re: @quotation and @indentedblock in html and DocBook

2016-04-26 Thread Per Bothner
See the discussion December 2014: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-texinfo/2014-12/threads.html#00059 The DocBook output for @indentedblock is still (at least in 6.1) broken: It just creates a with the contents. On the other hand, @quotation creates a around the contents. My suggestion

Re: @quotation and @indentedblock in html and DocBook

2014-12-24 Thread Gavin Smith
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Mahlon wrote: > Yes, that's an interesting idea. @quotation, @indentedblock, @example, > @display and their @small. . . counterparts could receive class > designations. I believe they already have class designations that you could use to apply your own CSS. > I

Re: @quotation and @indentedblock in html and DocBook

2014-12-22 Thread Mahlon
On 12/21/2014 01:53 AM, Per Bothner wrote: On 12/20/2014 09:11 AM, Mahlon wrote: I agree with Karl on the issue of broadening the use of for indentation. The strength of having several block types is that each block type has its special characteristics: Indentation, font type inheritance/rep

Re: @quotation and @indentedblock in html and DocBook

2014-12-20 Thread Per Bothner
On 12/20/2014 09:11 AM, Mahlon wrote: I agree with Karl on the issue of broadening the use of for indentation. The strength of having several block types is that each block type has its special characteristics: Indentation, font type inheritance/replacement, preformatting, font size. Maintaini

Re: @quotation and @indentedblock in html and DocBook

2014-12-20 Thread Mahlon
On 18 Dec. Gavin wrote: What @example, @display, etc., have in common with @indentedblock is that they should be indented, and that they are currently indented with CSS instead of being put in a . If we want to avoid relying on CSS when possible then we should consider using for these other

Re: @quotation and @indentedblock in html and DocBook

2014-12-19 Thread Gavin Smith
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:58 PM, Karl Berry wrote: > for example using semantic > output could allow better accessibility > > No question. But that's not what's going on here. > Neither nor css indent is especially semantic. > If anything, is more so. > > Aside: Indeed, one of my recur

Re: @quotation and @indentedblock in html and DocBook

2014-12-18 Thread Karl Berry
for example using semantic output could allow better accessibility No question. But that's not what's going on here. Neither nor css indent is especially semantic. If anything, is more so. Aside: Indeed, one of my recurring problems with CSS is that it is routinely used to (try to) for

Re: @quotation and @indentedblock in html and DocBook

2014-12-18 Thread Gavin Smith
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Ineiev wrote: > I attach what lynx prints for me (what I see on the screen is colored, > but the indents are the same). The first paragraph, "Here is > an indented block:", has the same indent as the subsequent one, > "US and Cuba are to start talks to normalise...

Re: @quotation and @indentedblock in html and DocBook

2014-12-18 Thread Ineiev
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 04:05:02PM +, Gavin Smith wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Ineiev wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 03:41:40PM +, Gavin Smith wrote: > >> I just tried the HTML output for @indentedblock in Lynx 2.8.7rel.1, > >> and surprisingly the @indentedblock was inden

Re: @quotation and @indentedblock in html and DocBook

2014-12-18 Thread Gavin Smith
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Ineiev wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 03:41:40PM +, Gavin Smith wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Karl Berry wrote: >> > (BTW, does lynx/etc. render CSS?) >> > >> >> I just tried the HTML output for @indentedblock in Lynx 2.8.7rel.1, >> and surpris

Re: @quotation and @indentedblock in html and DocBook

2014-12-18 Thread Ineiev
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 03:41:40PM +, Gavin Smith wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Karl Berry wrote: > > (BTW, does lynx/etc. render CSS?) > > > > I just tried the HTML output for @indentedblock in Lynx 2.8.7rel.1, > and surprisingly the @indentedblock was indented (although by a >

Re: @quotation and @indentedblock in html and DocBook

2014-12-18 Thread Gavin Smith
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Karl Berry wrote: > I am aware that W3C wants everyone to use CSS for everything, but my > experience with what works best is different, and I don't think it's a > good idea to just do things because W3C says so. > > Using basic HTML tags like that have been arou

Re: @quotation and @indentedblock in html and DocBook

2014-12-17 Thread Karl Berry
I am aware that W3C wants everyone to use CSS for everything, but my experience with what works best is different, and I don't think it's a good idea to just do things because W3C says so. Using basic HTML tags like that have been around since the early years, even though W3C does not like them,

Re: @quotation and @indentedblock in html and DocBook

2014-12-17 Thread Gavin Smith
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Per Bothner wrote: > May I suggest some tweaks for how @quotation and @indentedblock are > translated? > > Currently, in HTML, @quotation becomes a , while @indentedblock > becomes plain - and then we use CSS to indent. > This fails if stylesheets are disabled, or

@quotation and @indentedblock in html and DocBook

2014-12-11 Thread Per Bothner
[Thanks for the @sup and @sub feature, btw!] May I suggest some tweaks for how @quotation and @indentedblock are translated? Currently, in HTML, @quotation becomes a , while @indentedblock becomes plain - and then we use CSS to indent. This fails if stylesheets are disabled, or the default CSS